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Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 11 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 12
Today's Topics:
Atari MegaST4 computer forsale, $550
Cheetah3 problems (2 msgs)
Conference on Free-net
Current TOS version?
DB9 cables for sale (joystick/mouse/etc)
Hard Drive Backup
Help me get PC VGA Color!
How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST
letter invaders game recently posted to comp.sources.unix
Lynx for Sale
Parting out Mega 4
PD C compilers for ST
Populace help (was Re: The best game...)
RFI: Music Tutor Programs
STBook (Notebook computer)
Two (2) 256k SIMMs for free, almost
What are .msa files?
What works with Mega STe?
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Date: 10 Jan 92 22:27:43 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!csus.edu!beach.csulb.edu!stevela@arizon
a.edu (Steve La)
Subject: Atari MegaST4 computer forsale, $550
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari Mega4 ST Computer with accessories
* Jin mouse
* Kraft Joystick (brand new)
* Stereo sound board installed
* Dual OS on ROMs with indicator
* front reset button
* Keyboard
The system is in perfect condition. I am asking $550 for the system and I will
pay for shipping fee (UPS Insured). Send me email if you are interested...
Thanks,
-Steve
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Date: 10 Jan 92 18:56:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!rigel.tamu.edu!maf4003@ar
izona.edu (Startled Squid, esq.)
Subject: Cheetah3 problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi folks, I have a problem. I've used Cheetah 3 extensively for a while
now without any problems but recently something has gone wrong. When I
create a folder in a hard drive partition with Cheetah 3 then copy files
into it with Cheetah everything seems okay....until I exit to desktop and
try to access the files that I just copied. The folder shows up but when I
open it it is empty and I can't delete the folder from desktop. I have to
go back into Cheetah which shows all of the files that I had copied to into
the folder! Then I can delete the folder from Cheetah. Wot's the danged
deal?!?!!?
BTW: I'm using a 520stfm w/ 2.5megs and a supra 48meg hard-drive.
Michael Fitch
maf4003@zeus.tamu.edu
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Date: 10 Jan 92 22:56:07 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!corax.udac.uu.se!tdb!m91der@uunet.uu.net (Daniel
Eriksson)
Subject: Cheetah3 problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
maf4003@rigel.tamu.edu (Startled Squid, esq.) writes:
: [stuff deleted]
: When I
: create a folder in a hard drive partition with Cheetah 3 then copy files
: into it with Cheetah everything seems okay....until I exit to desktop and
: try to access the files that I just copied. The folder shows up but when I
: open it it is empty and I can't delete the folder from desktop.
: [stuff deleted]
The problem is that Cheetah (among others) doesn't notify the OS of the
changes it has made to the file-system so that when you exit from Cheetah
the desktop can't see you have changed anything. The best thing for you to
do to avoid trouble (and man, you can have REAL trouble if you try to write
to the disk when the OS isn't "up to date") is to set "Reset at exit". That
way you won't forget about it. It's the same with most older software that
doesn't use the OS as intended. The only "low level" disk-mess-about
program I know of that correctly updates the OS is Check-Disk from Atari.
*** | Daniel Eriksson - Delta Force | m91der@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se |
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Date: 10 Jan 92 20:18:18 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!
yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett)
Subject: Conference on Free-net
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Yes, VERY soon, we will be conducting regular freenet-conferences!
Watch this space for further info in the near future!
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J.J. Lehett : Atari's, puzzles, games, chaos, fractals, math....
- jjl101@psuvm.psu.edu Penn State CAC Lab Operator
- aa400@cleveland.freenet.edu Atari 16/32 bit SIG Sysop
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Date: 11 Jan 92 01:26:03 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Sun.CO
M!jethro!zatch!cjd@arizona.edu (Chris Drake)
Subject: Current TOS version?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am planning on resurrecting a rather old 520ST (yep, only 512K), but since I
have very old ROM's in there I was curious as to the current level of TOS - the
latest which will run on a 520, if that makes a difference; plus what's changed
dramatically in the last few years...
I assume these are available from Atari? For a price; any ideas on what they
charge for these things?
Thanks -
Chris Drake
Sun Microsystems Software Support
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Date: 10 Jan 92 23:46:24 GMT
From: george.poly.edu!gpinzone@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Gerard Pinzone)
Subject: DB9 cables for sale (joystick/mouse/etc)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
After a few years of building projects on the Atari and Amiga
line of computers, I would like to get rid of some joystick/mouse
cords I bought. Here's a list:
10 foot Atari/Commodore extension cables: contains ALL 9 wires for ANY
controller. Great to cut up for projects or use as a plain extension
cord! .........................................I paid: $6.00 - You pay: $3
3 foot ATARI(tm) joystick wires with +5V wire: These are original and
genuine Atari cables that have all the wires nessasary for a joystick
PLUS the +5V needed for projects, like rapid fire or to drive TTL
chips, etc. These also have built in strain reliefs, true color coded,
and clips at the end (just like the ones on all Atari joysticks), so they
are completely compatable with the Atari line of controllers.
..............................................I paid: $4.00 - You pay: $2
Atari/Commodore female plugs: these allow you to plug any Atari/Commodore
controller into whatever project you are building. They are the female
parts of the extension cords and are perfect for building a "mouse master"
or whatever. ..................................You pay: $.50
Minimum order $4, P&H is 75 cents. On orders over $10, postage is FREE.
Yours truly,
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}>:+:<{([ Gerard Pinzone ])}>:+:<{([I])}>:+:<{([ gpinzone@george.poly.edu ])}>:
_______ ________ ________ Just on the border of your waking mind
/ ___/\ / _____/\ / __ /\ There lies another time
/ ___/\// /____ \// __ / / Where darkness and light are one
/______/\//_______/\ /__/ /__/ / And as you tread the halls of sanity
\______\/ \_______\/ \__\/\__\/ You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond
(everything 'cept anchovies!) I have a message from another time...
-=:)>}] EAST COAST ANIME [{<(:=- ELO: "Prologue" -=- Daicon IV
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Date: 10 Jan 92 16:53:29 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa
.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news@arizona.edu (Ray Cole)
Subject: Hard Drive Backup
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Help!!!! My hard drive has gotten a few flaky spots on it and is in need of
reformatting, but I have no backup software. Can anyone recommend any to me?
I'd prefer PD, available through ftp; but will take recommendations on any and
all software available. If it makes a difference I'm using a homebrew hard
drive with an ICD Host Adaptor and a Maxtor LX-90 hard drive. I've tried using
the ICD utilities shipped with the adaptor to rebuild the partitions (after
shuffling all the data from one partition to another) but it gets so far and
then stops and gives an error of sense code $FF then suggests reformatting.
Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
--
Ray Cole | raycole@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Computer Consultant | This space for rent or hire
Manhattan KS USA | Make an offer
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 92 04:22 EST
From: <PALM_ERD%CTSTATEU.BITNET@YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Subject: Help me get PC VGA Color!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Ok, I would like to know if there is a 386 emulator
with VGA Color, that I could haveinstalled in my Mega 4 ST.
I know all about AT-speed 16. And that looks most promising,
but still the VGA is only mono, not even gray scaled. 16
color tandy is emulated on the color monitor, that would be
better for games i suppose. I'm asking because I have a Tandy
1000RLX (1 meg, 286-10, and VGA color), that I would like to
give to my dad when he comes home from the hospital (he's got
M.S.) and I'd still like to be able to play my PC games, and
do pascal programming. I had bought a Supercharger awhile
ago, but it was too slow, and now it is fried, not even worth
getting fixed as Talon uses parts that my local service guy
can't get anywhere, and when he asks Talon, they say send it
to them (a nominal $300 charge plus parts!!!!)
I paid over $600 for that piece of junk, because i had to have
a math co-processor and the external ps (actually i didn't
need the co-processor after all).
Any suggestions?
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Date: 8 Jan 92 04:42:36 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!hobbes.physi
cs.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!sharkey!wybbs!therip!FredGate@arizona.edu (Rod
Fulk)
Subject: How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>"composite video signal from an ST"
KS> I am sure that this signal was only available on STFM's. I know this
KS> doesnt make a lot of sense, cos the composite signal
KS> has nothing to do with
KS> a modulator, but I am sure that this is the case.
The fm modulator does too have something to do with the composite video.
It is the reason the ST has it. Part of the modulators function is to offer
support for composite video.
* Origin: The R.I.P. (616)235-2313 [HST] (1:228/24)
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Date: 10 Jan 92 21:01:56 GMT
From: ubc-cs!ubc-cs!flinn@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Scott Flinn)
Subject: letter invaders game recently posted to comp.sources.unix
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <4097@tekig7.MAP.TEK.COM>, georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (George Walker)
writes:
|> Letters, the "Letter Invader Game", was recently posted to comp.sources.unix.
|> It's got Amiga ifdefs in it, but I don't know how to go about porting it to
|> an ST. (I've got a compiler, but no termcap library, and very little
|> experience actually programming the ST.)
|>
|> Has anybody tried porting it? Or has the original PC version already
|> been ported to the ST? For information, here's a summary from what the
I have an almost working version, if you're interested. I liked the game
a whole lot, so I started with the Unix source and just did what was necessary
to make it work. I stripped out all the term cap stuff and just replaced it
with simple xbios stuff (Cconin (or some such thing) etc.) The version I
started with recorded the highest score for each user on the system. I
replaced this by the usual prompt for the name of whoever just got a new
high score. The version I have also makes sure two words don't overlap on
the same line. Finally, my hard drive died long ago, so I work from floppies
and ram disks. The original source fetched words from the dictionary one
at a time which is fine from a ram disk but completely unplayable from
floppy. So I fixed it to pre-fetch enough words for the current level, causing
the game to make a longer pause at the beginning of each new level.
The main problem is that when launched from the desktop, one has to type the
first word a couple of times before characters start to register. After that
it works fine. The problem is surely a simple one, but I really didn't want
to spend much time on it. When launched from a shell, everything is fine.
Anyway, if you want it, such as it is, let me know.
Cheers,
--
Scott Flinn
Department of Computer Science flinn@cs.ubc.ca
The University of British Columbia (604)822-8572
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Date: 10 Jan 92 18:05:15 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!
ucdavis!othello.ucdavis.edu!ez000942@arizona.edu
Subject: Lynx for Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I know this isn't the appropiate, but if there's anyone out there
who wants a Lynx, I have one for sale..
Lynx with Klax and Ms. Pac Man: $80 obo
mail to ez000942@othello.ucdavis.edu
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Date: 10 Jan 92 19:58:48 GMT
From: noao!ncar!ico!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!ericth@arizona.edu (Eric Thiele)
Subject: Parting out Mega 4
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Posted for a friend...
Atari Mega 4 ST/mouse/pad $750
Megafile 30MB hard drive 250
SM124 HiRes Mono Monitor 100
SF314 3.5" floppy 75
SLM804 Laser Printer 575
(needs Drum Replacement Kit, $200)
Software
Pagestream 1.8 $ 50
1st Word Plus 25
Turbo ST accelerator 15
Diamondback II 25
Cardfile 3 25
Universal Item Selector 25
Thunder spell checker 25
DEGAS paint program 10
Touch Up graphics program 25
Scan Art clip art program 25
Data Manager ST 25
and more...!
Package Price: $1500
Call Darryl Hedges (708) 369-3656
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Date: 10 Jan 92 16:19:07 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.e
du!dmb@arizona.edu (David M. Baggett)
Subject: PD C compilers for ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan10.145622.8488@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M.
Baggett) writes:
>>Shouldn't this be: ... any segments more than 64K ... ? Most 68000 C
>>compilers will use 16 bit address register relative addressing in this
>>case, and 16 bits --> 64K (one of them being Lattice C, if I remember
>>correctly).
>
>Yeah, but offsets are relative, so you need a sign bit.
>
>Dave Baggett
>dmb@wam.umd.edu
I suppose I should really qualify that: It seems like Megamax C
_could_ have been made to handle 64K segments, but they _chose_ to
restrict segements to 32K. It's all because the Megamax compiler was
ported from the Macintosh, which has such restrictions for other
reasons.
Dave Baggett
dmb@wam.umd.edu
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Date: 10 Jan 92 10:05:46 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: Populace help (was Re: The best game...)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan8.014029.2563@milton.u.washington.edu>
iho@cac.washington.edu writes WRT Populous:
>I've gotten to the mid 100's and can't seem to beat the computer any more.
>Any clues on how to do better?
Dunno? I think the game is unfair. When water is harmful, ie. prolonged
exposure causes death, and there is a flood the computer just scans the map
array and instantly puts a small piece of land under as many of its people
that it has energy/mana to do so. No human player could do that.
>Il Hwan Oh
>Univ. of Washington, Tacoma
>iho@cac.washington.edu
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! !
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Date: 10 Jan 92 16:00:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamvm1.tamu.edu!X049B
C@arizona.edu
Subject: RFI: Music Tutor Programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
A company called MIDI-Mouse produced a whole series (Chord Wizard, Note
Wizard, Scale Wizard) that I bought and am quite happy with. My local dealer
got them for me no problem.
(As to how my playing's going, I dropped the keyboard and took up French
Horn, since I played one in school. I hope to get back, though. My main
dissatisfaction was with my tiny Casio keyboard. Another example of going cheap
ruining the whole deal!)
Bill
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Date: 10 Jan 92 21:24:19 GMT
From:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!nuug!fenris!sofus.dhhalden.no!jonal@uune
t.uu.net (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Subject: STBook (Notebook computer)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A14856@AC2.maus.de> Stefan_Rupp@ac2.maus.de (Stefan Rupp) writes:
[stuff about the Book deleted]
>> 5. What memory configurations and how is memory added?
>1 MB, but i have heard of a 4 MB-STbook.
Z-Net Online Magazine reported that the 1 megs were dropped, only 4 megs
will be made. Some 1 meg test machines are around.
>> 6. What TOS level does it run?
>TOS Release 2.06, the latest release with the new Desktop.
>> 7. Has anyone seen one of these yet?
>Nope, just at the Atari-Show at Duesseldorf, Germany in October 91.
>> 8. Where can I find a complete review?
>In the German magazines "ST Magazin" and "ST Computer".
>Ciao,
> struppi
Spidey
Jon Lovstad | Sorry, but this part of my .sig file has been
jonal@sofus.dhhalden.no | retconned by DeFalco...
|
SnailMail: Storgata 18 | If Batman can have 2 Crays, then why can't
N-1750 HALDEN, NORWAY | I get a humble TT030?
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Date: 11 Jan 92 01:45:57 GMT
From:
sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!csl!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@ames.arpa
(William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: Two (2) 256k SIMMs for free, almost
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For no reason known to man, Im just posting this to c.s.a.st.
I just upgraded my 520STe from 512k to 4mb, and now have some
useless to me 256k SIMMs I dont really need.
Free to the first person who contacts me at this address. The
almost free part? You pay shipping, maybe a buck or two at most.
Useful for someone who also has a 520STe but only wants to go
to 1mb (why, I dunno)
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
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Date: 10 Jan 92 23:43:33 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!mmiller@uunet.uu.net (Mark Miller)
Subject: What are .msa files?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have seen these files at atari.archive that have a .msa extension,
under the sound directory. I got one called zeppelin.msa, and while I
do have steplay, I haven't tried it with that yet. What program is
supposed to play these?
|Mark Miller, computer science |"I was just thinking of the immortal words |
|major at C.S.U. | of Socrates...'I drank what?'" |
|millerm@mozart.cs.colostate.edu |"What a waste it is to lose one's mind..." |
| / Atari friend! ||| |"If we do not succeed, we run the risk of |
| \/ --- The Mark )|( | failure." |
| World Peace / | \ There's nothing else quite like it. |
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Date: 10 Jan 92 23:38:49 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!mmiller@uunet.uu.net (Mark Miller)
Subject: What works with Mega STe?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> Hi,
> I own a STE and i have no problems with FALCON. Still though, i used to have
> a problem when i had an extra diskdrive connected to the machine.
> It's a roctec that took it's power from the joystick port, so i had to
> disconnect it, then it worked. Maybe this will help??
>
>
> Jack
Really?? Hmmm. This is interesting. What STe do you have (512K or
1MB)? What version of TOS? I assume you mean that it doesn't work
if you have a hard drive hooked up? Is it alright to have a second
floppy drive hooked up?
When you encountered your problems with it, what happened? As I said,
when the dealer tried it on a 1040STe, which I'm pretty sure just
had the internal floppy drive, it basically crashed when it prompted
for the next disk to be inserted. He put in the second disk, clicked
on OK, and it just came back with the prompt, and the disk drive light
stayed on. One of the guys there WAS able to get it to run
successfully (partially) on the Mega STe they had. They couldn't get
it to boot from the floppy. They tried to run it from the desktop out
of the AUTO folder. This only got so far, and then it crashed. I
forget whether the guy said it actually loaded the second disk, and
crashed during gameplay, or not.
The Mega STe they have at the store is a Mega 4/50, with internal hard
drive, the kind that comes with most Mega STe's. I have a Mega 1 STe,
so I don't have a hard drive yet. The next upgrade I will make to my
system will be hard drive though.
In any case this was a disappointment. I have heard such good things
about Falcon.
I've tried mailing to you, but it keeps bouncing. I read a post by
someone else who said that when they just put the 2nd disk in the 2nd
drive it worked. He said he had similar problems as the dealer was
having (I think), before he found out how to do it. The problem I
would have if this were the only way to run it is that I have only one
floppy drive, and no hard drive.
I am still not quite clear on what needs to be done in order to get
Falcon to run on my system. Do I need two floppy drives? Do I need a
particular version of TOS (I have 2.05)? How much memory is needed?
I have one Meg. and one double-sided drive.
Thanks guys!
|Mark Miller, computer science |"I was just thinking of the immortal words |
|major at C.S.U. | of Socrates...'I drank what?'" |
|millerm@mozart.cs.colostate.edu |"What a waste it is to lose one's mind..." |
| / Atari friend! ||| |"If we do not succeed, we run the risk of |
| \/ --- The Mark )|( | failure." |
| World Peace / | \ There's nothing else quite like it. |
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