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Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 13 Nov 91 Volume 91 : Issue 595
Today's Topics:
ACCs (2 msgs)
A Great Sale ?
Atari BBS list - 11/91 edition
Atari UNIX SVR4 Press Release
Drvmap() & Dfree()
For Sale GFA Basic 3.0 with compiler
Gnumake under Hisoft Craft shell
help, PGS2
Lexicor Graphics Programs/Packages
Menu program? (2 msgs)
New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs
Talk to me about TeX and Gemini. . .
TOS 3.06 wanted!
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Date: 13 Nov 91 18:03:24 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@a
rizona.edu (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: ACCs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi netters,
does anyone know how can an accessory find which application is running when
it (the accessory) receives an AC_OPEN event? I am interested in either the
name of the application or its aes_handle...
thanks in advance..
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Author of ATZENTA2 Harry Karayiannis ________E-Mail________
15 N.Beacon, #316 Boston Univ. |INTERnet:
** || ATARI ** Allston, MA 02134 Computer Sc. | harryk@bucsf.bu.edu
** /||\ MegaST ** U.S.A. |BITnet:
======================================================| cscrzcc@buacca.bu.edu
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Date: 13 Nov 91 18:45:31 GMT
From:
paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!zam103!djukfa11!hac041@uunet
.uu.net (Konrad Hinsen)
Subject: ACCs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The aes id of the current main application is always 0 in all GEM versions,
but this is an undocumented feature. But as this is the only fact that can
can be used as a base for anonymous communication (i.e. communication between
applications that do not know each other's name), it is used by all the
communications protocols now in existence. If a multitasking TOS should
ever be available, this will necessarily have to change; after all, only
one program can have the id zero...
Konrad Hinsen (hac041@djukfa11)
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Date: 13 Nov 91 12:39:38 GMT
From: mcsun!fuug!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!hmallat@uunet.uu.net (Hannu Martti
Olavi Mallat)
Subject: A Great Sale ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>>>> On 13 Nov 91 09:05:11 GMT, Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard)
said:
> Well all you chaps in Wizards land, is this article that I captured
> from a BBS for real, or some Atari chap with some wishfull thinking..?
>
> From : Dragon Master at The Dragon's Lair BBS in S.C.
> Subj : Commodore Blows Aussie Deal!!
> In reply to:
>> I'm not so sure Commodore is way ahead of Atari as you suggest. I think
>> they've made some inroads into the graphics area with the addition of
>> Toaster, but I think they have a long way to go in the music field and
>> other areas. That is a much too broad statement.
> After a recent trip to Australia, a source in the know, said the
> Australian government requested a bid from IBM, Commodore and Atari to
> supply the Australian Educational System with 15,000 computers and
> monitors for the High Schools.
>
> Commodore had the best prices, so the Australian government was ready to
> sign the contract. At the last minute, Commodore pulled out which left
> IBM and Atari to fill the gap.
> Atari was awarded 10,000 of the Australian Computer
> purchases, with IBM getting the remaining 5000!!!!!
>
> This is an important step in for Atari as far as creating a new group of
> young bloods that will eventually become adult Atari owners and users...a
> whole new generation of devoted Atarians!!!!!!!!
>
> As far as Australia is concerned, Atari has blown away the
> competition, as
> this is the first major step for that country to get away from the 8-bit
> computers and get into the newer faster 16-bit computers, as of now most
> owners in Australia are 8-bit owners.
>
> Congrats goes out to Atari Corp!!!!!
>
> From another posting these were STE520's..
> Well may be some one does know if this is for real..??
Wow ! Can this be true... It just sounds too good... Well, maybe
Atari Australia (or whatever) is more sensible than Atari USA, Atari
Scandinavia, etc...Anyway, (if this is true) it is really great news !
Maybe Australia will become Atari-Mecca #2 (after Germany that is)
Can some Aussie verify this ???
I just hope they use this chance well...
> --
> *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
> *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
> *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
> *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
--
Hannu Mallat |
J{mer{ntaival 5 C 333 | Why should I write something funny here ?
02150 Espoo, Finland | It would just ruin the beauty of this empty space.
hmallat@niksula.hut.fi | What do you mean, "It's not empty anymore..."
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Date: 13 Nov 91 10:24:29 EST
From: Lawrence Estep <71450.1050@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Atari BBS list - 11/91 edition
To: <INFO-ATARI8@naucse.cse.nau.edu>, <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
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THE BBS REPORT Atari 8-bit/ST Bulletin Board System Listing <Nov 1991>
Editor: Lawrence Estep CompuServe: 71450,1050, Delphi: LESTEP, GEnie L.ESTEP1
Internet: 71450.1050@COMPUSERVE.COM
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Minimum/Maximum baud listed before each number.
Alabama-(AL)------------------------------------------------------------------
HAUG 3/24 (205) 722-0900
Arizona-(AZ)------------------------------------------------------------------
Star Link 1200 (602) 464-4817 Star Link 2400 (602) 464-1136
California-(CA)---------------------------------------------------------------
AAUG 3/24 (714) 625-4251 ACAOC 3/24 (714) 778-1228
AVACE 3/24 (805) 723-0093 BitStream 3/24 (408) 449-2150
Crime Bytes 3/24 (408) 287-8399 Desert Atarians 3/24 (619) 342-1647
Key System 3/24 (415) 352-5528 RAM Of Ventura 3/24 (805) 987-6985
SDACE 3/24 (619) 558-7866 Sierra Online 3/24 (209) 683-4463
STu's Place 3/24 (415) 782-4023
Colorado-(CO)-----------------------------------------------------------------
FRAUG 3/24 (303) 223-1297
Connecticut-(CT)--------------------------------------------------------------
AUGOGH 3/24 (203) 871-0696 New Haven 3/24 (203) 776-9723
Silicon Palace 3/12 (203) 871-0696 Star 3/24 (203) 421-4861
Florida-(FL)------------------------------------------------------------------
Hacker's Zone 3/24 (813) 584-2425 Harbor Lights 3/24 (813) 726-3449
MegaPlex 3/24 (813) 823-1471 St. Pete PO 3/24 (813) 821-3188
Tut's 3/24 (813) 797-8449
Georgia-(GA)------------------------------------------------------------------
U Want What 3/24 (912) 471-7629
Hawaii-(HI)-------------------------------------------------------------------
Dragon Masters 3/24 (808) 531-4805 Town Crier 3/24 (808) 488-8838
Idaho (ID)--------------------------------------------------------------------
BAUG 3/24 (208) 362-2243 RattleSnake STat. 3/24 (208) 587-7603
Illinois-(IL)-----------------------------------------------------------------
ClAUG North 3/24 (312) 889-1340 ClAUG South 3/24 (312) 422-4476
EAUG 3/24 (618) 254-6077 ICD 3/24 (815) 968-2229
Network:Atari 3/24 (815) 962-3084 Python 3/24 (312) 680-5105
SCA 3/24 (708) 731-7227
Indiana-(IN)------------------------------------------------------------------
BlAST 3/24 (812) 332-0573 Data Central 3/24 (317) 543-2007
IndyServe 3/24 (317) 849-4007 Mouse 3/24 (219) 674-5947
ST Archive 3/24 (317) 353-9326
Kentucky-(KY)-----------------------------------------------------------------
Atari Scene! 3/24 (502) 456-4292 JCPD Cop Shop 3/24 (502) 933-3481
Kentucky Online 3/24 (502) 895-1590 LFPL Freeboard 3/24 (502) 584-4162
TrivAtari 3/24 (502) 245-0386
Massachusetts-(MA)------------------------------------------------------------
BACS 3/24 (617) 396-4607 WMAUG 3/24 (413) 589-1382
Michigan-(MI)-----------------------------------------------------------------
CHAOS 3/24 (517) 394-6852 EXTE 3/24 (616) 245-8259
MAGIC 3/24 (313) 978-7363 RIP-Call voice 1st 3/24 (616) 235-1708
RIP 24/144(616) 235-2313 STING 3/24 (616) 891-8740
Minnesota-(MN)----------------------------------------------------------------
MAST 3/24 (612) 472-6582 SPACE 3/24 (612) 488-5973
Missouri-(MO)-----------------------------------------------------------------
Outer Zone 3/24 (314) 291-2488
Montana-(MT)------------------------------------------------------------------
Rattlesnake ACE 3/24 (406) 777-3992
New York-(NY)-----------------------------------------------------------------
CDACE 3/24 (518) 237-1232 Computer World 3/24 (716) 247-8355
Corner Pub 3/24 (718) 351-4304 CSS Support 3/24 (716) 247-7157
Moose 3/24 (716) 381-5139
Ohio-(OH)---------------------------------------------------------------------
NOAH 3/24 (216) 582-1904 Pirate Busters 3/24 (216) 545-4817
Pennsylvania-(PA)-------------------------------------------------------------
NATUG 3/24 (215) 677-1370 SAGE 3/24 (814) 833-4073
Tennessee-(TN)----------------------------------------------------------------
Doghouse-8 3/12 (901) 873-3244 KAUG 3/24 (615) 691-0113
MASH-COM 3/24 (901) 377-1904
Virginia-(VA)-----------------------------------------------------------------
STATUS 3/24 (804) 495-3905
Washington-(WA)---------------------------------------------------------------
SWAG 3/24 (206) 574-1146
NOTE FROM THE EDITOR:
We would appreciate your comments and changes regarding this listing. Please
forward them to the online service addresses listed at the top of this file,
or to Lawrence Estep on The Atari Scene! BBS (502) 456-4292.
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Copyright 1991 Weather World Productions Please don't drink and drive!
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NEXT UPDATE SCHEDULED FOR 12/01/91
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Date: 13 Nov 91 09:56:03 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!piet@uunet.uu.net (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Atari UNIX SVR4 Press Release
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>> Atari Computer Corporation is dedicated to providing its customers with
>> the highest quality, most powerful, and most reliable computing
>> platforms and the best dollar-for-dollar computing value availa ble [sic!]
>> anywhere. Located in Sunnyvale, California, Atari Computer is widely
>> recognized as a worldwide leader in personal computing innovation.
They should have added: Atari Computer Corporation has no lack of imagination.
--
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.ruu.nl>
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Date: 13 Nov 91 18:16:52 GMT
From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@uunet.uu.net (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: Drvmap() & Dfree()
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, it's me again with one more question:
I've written some code that shows the free space of a selected drive letter
(including hd partitions)...using Drvmap() to find which drives are active
and Dfree() to calc the free-space on the user selected drive.
The problem is that if the user selects drive B: he's asked to insert disk
B: in drive A: (I don't have an external drive), and as soon as he does so
the ST freezes, or bombs, or resets (totally unpredictable)...It is worth
mentioning that this is an accessory program and that I have a MegaST 2 with
TOS 1.2 (or 1.02).
Has this to do with the fact that both A: and B: drives are mounted on
one physical drive? Is it a bug of Dfree() or what? I 've checked my code
very carefully & don't find anything wrong...this is additionally confirmed
by the fact that it's running fine with ALL other drives.
thanks in advance....
=============================================================================
Author of ATZENTA2 Harry Karayiannis ________E-Mail________
15 N.Beacon, #316 Boston Univ. |INTERnet:
** || ATARI ** Allston, MA 02134 Computer Sc. | harryk@bucsf.bu.edu
** /||\ MegaST ** U.S.A. |BITnet:
======================================================| cscrzcc@buacca.bu.edu
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Date: 13 Nov 91 14:27:00 GMT
From:
europa.asd.contel.com!awds.imsd.contel.com!wlbr!lonex.rl.af.mil!longj@uunet.uu.
net (Jeffrey K. Long)
Subject: For Sale GFA Basic 3.0 with compiler
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Not the very latest release, but this is new, unregistered (yes I have the
registration card) and should be upgradeable to latest version.
Complete set of GFA3.0/GFA Compiler just like it came.
Make an offer. I am trying to support my newly developed Mac habit thanks
to my recent acquisition of Spectre 128!
Jeff Long
--
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Capt Jeff Long Rome Laboratories, Griffiss AFB, NY
longj@lonex.rl.af.mil (preferred) Network Design Laboratory
jlong@cassiopeia.rl.af.mil (315)330-7751 or (DSN)587-7751
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Date: 13 Nov 91 09:25:59 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!chalmers.se!dtek.chalmers.se!dxper@uunet.uu.net
(Per Anders Olausson)
Subject: Gnumake under Hisoft Craft shell
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>What is the CRAFT Shell?
It is a shell which has a lot of features similar to those found in Unix
systems. It is more or less CSH/KSH style. It has got history and aliasing.
The best thing with this shell is that it enables the use of '/' instead
of '\' in pathnames and I've been using it for almost 2 years now.
It has very few bugs although I have heard that it doesn't like STE systems.
It also comes with an editor which is quite good if you take the time to
learn how to use it efficiently.
>Also, I am under the impression that Lattice C Ver 5.06 doesn't
>have a complete UNIX style 'cc' command so you can't use GNU Make
>(or any other make) with it.
That's partly true. It doesn't for some obscure reason not come with a
"standard" cc interface and it's a pain not to have one. Lately, however,
I have got around this and started using GnuMake so apparently it is
possible to use it with a make ...
>I own LC5, but my last update was last January to version 5.06.02.
>what is your latest version over there?
I'm not sure but it sounds like the version I have. I'll look it up and
mail you ...
--
.............................Andrew Olausson................................
............................Systems Architect...............................
..........................dxper@dtek.chalmers.se............................
..............................pao@proxxi.se.................................
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Date: 13 Nov 91 16:26:57 GMT
From:
dorm.rutgers.edu!njitgw.njit.edu!tesla.njit.edu!sds2363@rutgers.rutgers.edu
Subject: help, PGS2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I hope this goes out of the school, I haven't had much success. My question is
how to convert Adobe type 1 fonts for the IBM for use with PGS2. I have found
many type 1 font files with (PFB and PFM's in it , but NO AFM) How can I convert
these to work, OR EVEN BETTER IS THERE A SITE THAT HAS FILES THAT WORK WITH
the new pagestream(GREAT PROGRAM, I highly recommend it!!!)
If worse comes to worse, can people start uploading TYpe 1 fonts to
atari.archive
Please Help,
Stephen D. Sayles SDS2363@TESLA.NJIT.EDU
/s
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Date: 13 Nov 91 00:04:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!darkstar
!cats.ucsc.edu!monsoon@arizona.edu (Leonard Alinea DeJesus)
Subject: Lexicor Graphics Programs/Packages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Anyone have any information/specs/availability of the Lexicor
3-D animation/rendering programs? I've seen several ads ("Rosetta?")
and one demo, but have yet to see them available anywhere...
Thanks
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Date: 13 Nov 91 08:39:44 GMT
From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@uunet.uu.net (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: Menu program?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <"1216*.S=data3d.O=aahs.PRMD=uninett.ADMD=..C=no."@MHS>
data3d@aahs.no (Karl Anders 0ygard) writes:
>I'm looking for a menu program for the ST. A friend of mine just got a Stacy,
>he's hasn't been using computers all that much. A simple program that will
>allow you to select programs from a small menu will do. I reckon upgrading
>to TOS 2.06 should help him out, but until it's ready... Anybody know if
>it'll run on Stacys?
>
>Karl Anders Oygard <data3d@aahs.no> ==================================
Both Gemini and NeoDesk, as well as the newer versions of TOS, let you install
programs on the desktop and save the setup through the "Save Desktop" entry...
the former is SHAREWARE (thus cheaper than the others), while the latter
involves minimal hassle (but it also requires an STe/TT).
But the idea with the small-menu sounds challenging... I'll try to write
such a program (a la QuickMenu on the Mac)...don't hold your breath though
P.S. as an irrelevant note, the beta-testing of ATZENTA ver 2.20 is almost
finished...watch for a demo version of the program in the near future.
=============================================================================
Author of ATZENTA2 Harry Karayiannis ________E-Mail________
15 N.Beacon, #316 Boston Univ. |INTERnet:
** || ATARI ** Allston, MA 02134 Computer Sc. | harryk@bucsf.bu.edu
** /||\ MegaST ** U.S.A. |BITnet:
======================================================| cscrzcc@buacca.bu.edu
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Date: 13 Nov 91 13:16:14 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!uproar.enet.dec.com!evansg@decwrl.dec.com
(Gwyn Evans)
Subject: Menu program?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <93819@bu.edu>, harryk@bucsf.bu.edu (Harry Karayiannis) writes:
|>Both Gemini and NeoDesk, as well as the newer versions of TOS, let you
|>install
|>programs on the desktop and save the setup through the "Save Desktop"
|>entry...
|>the former is SHAREWARE (thus cheaper than the others), while the
|>latter
|>involves minimal hassle (but it also requires an STe/TT).
If what you're saying here is that NeoDesk won't run on an ST, that's
incorrect. It runs just fine on my TOS 1.0 ST
--
+==================== E-mail: Gwyn.Evans@ime.mts.dec.com
======================+
| [ VMS-mail: uproar::evansg ] [ DTN: 769-8108 ] [ A1-mail: Gwyn Evans @
IME ] |
|Compamy: DESISCo - Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions
Company Ltd.|
|>> Above opinions are personal and do not necessarily reflect those of
|>DEC. <<|
+=======================================================================
========+
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Date: 11 Nov 91 23:27:07 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!sycom!rkushner@arizona.edu
(Ronald Kushner)
Subject: New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
wmagro@roma.uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
>In article <689407425.12@therip.FidoNet.Org>, Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org
>|> Thats nothing... In the next day or two we will be finding out if Michigan
>|> Bell will be allowed to charge for local calls placed..
>|> Apparently they want to charge local calls as if they were LD calls.
>|> Although at a much lower rate...
>|> There goes the neighborhood..
>|> I am sure it will effect alot of bbs users in grand rapids for sure....
>|> (As in many areas in michigan..)
>|>
>|> Boy, the Govt's sure must like the bell companies or something..
>
>Aren't under-regulated monopolies lovely? Michigan Bell, like Illinois Bell,
>by Ameritech. Illinois Bell did the per call charge first in Chicago. Now it
>implemented all over Illinois. My local charges have basically doubled. Unli
>local calls used to be $5.50/mo. The charges are $0.062 per call (untimed) f
>calls during the day. This drops to $0.03 per call at night. It sucks. They
>the nerve to print: "Volume discount saved you $0.22 this month\n" on my bill
>
Add Michigan to the list...They(The Michigan Legslature) passed into law,
where they can charge by the call, or by the time and distance, or at a flat
rate until you hit 300 calls..
Wisconsion has a simular policy, and probably everywhere Ameritech is does
too..
-- C-UseNet V0.51
Ronald Kushner | Greyhound will take anyone dropped
P.O. Box 353 | from the welfare rolls to another
Sterling Heights, MI 48311-0353 | state with simular benifits for $69
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UUCP: uunet!mailrus!sharkey!sycom!rkushner Internet: rkushner@sycom.mi.org
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Date: 13 Nov 91 09:46:56 GMT
From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!zellweger!wagg@uunet.uu.net (Georg Wagner)
Subject: Talk to me about TeX and Gemini. . .
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>I have a 1 MEG STFM with tos 1.0 and want to know if there is any way
>I can run the excellent gemini. Can I get a replacement TOS in software
>(hardware is really a little out of my price range) on the PD or has
>someone actually changed gemini to work with the older OS?
Actually Gemini consists of 2 programs Venus and Mupfel, where Venus
builds the graphical user interface and mupfel the commandline interface
(shell in unix). This single programs work with older versions of TOS.
You have to start mupfel first, and then you might start Venus from inside
Mupfel.
Georg
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Date: 13 Nov 91 15:03:25 GMT
From:
lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!ukma!aunro!ersys!ggranger@uunet.uu.net
(Greg Granger)
Subject: TOS 3.06 wanted!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes:
> Hi folks!
>
> I've just read good news from <ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> in article
> 6293 concerning the new TOS updates 2.06 and 3.06.
>
> Does anobody know where to get it, particularly in Germany, and how
> expensive will it be?
>
> Thanx for more information about it,
> Markus Wenzel.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Cand.phys. Markus Wenzel >> RUS >> University of Stuttgart >> FR Germany
> >> email: wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de >> Phone +49 (0)7159 18201 private
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> my favoured job: > administrator of /serv/soft/atari/TT on rusmv1
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> my current girlfriend: > Atari TT/6, 130 MB HD, PTC 1426, HP DeskJet500
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> my advise for today: > Save your documents every five minutes if
> > using MS-WINDOWS 3.0 on a BIM-compatible.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I hate to say this, but don't get your hopes up on it. I've heard "on
again, off again" rumours of it being available for the ST(e)/TT
machines, and I've also heard that it will only be put in newer STe/TT
machines. Maybe if we got word from an official at Atari about this. Are
either of the Msrs. Pratt (Gregg/Alan) reading this? Many users out there would
like a straight answer on this. Let's get our stories straight, as my
original post was taken from the FoReM X-net from an Atari Canada
employee. Atari users unite, and demand real answers!
Greg Granger
< InterNet: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca > "Gimme the strongest
< FoReMNet: Greg Granger @ 532 or Dark Knight @ 595 > thing you've got."
< Mail Adr: 5906-188 St. Edmonton, AB Canada T6M-2A9 >
< Phone : +1 403 481-0803 or +1 403 481-5110 > - Lt. Frank Drebin
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