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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 92 Issue 002
Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 3 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 2
Today's Topics:
Apple System 7 on Spectre GCR
Atari.archive-address wanted
AUTO Folder Programs -- How do they replace system functions?
Color Emulators and the ste....
Diet/Nutrition Analysis Software
How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST
Interested in...
Kaos Desk (was: Files sent to atari.archiv)
Misc Hardware & Software For Sale
PYM Demo on Terminator
Quick ST availability (was: Quick ST support)
SCSI tape backup
Sound CPX?
ST/UNIX compatible LHARCs (2 msgs)
System 7 and Spectre
TT/030 why the ST RAM?
VME and expansions (2 msgs)
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Date: 2 Jan 92 22:45:04 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!convex!nrc.com!mikey%nrc.com@arizona.edu
(Mike Goodglick)
Subject: Apple System 7 on Spectre GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can I get Apple System 7 on Spectre GCR.
My config is as follows Atari Mega4 with 20meg HD.
If so...how???
Mike Goodglick
mikey@nrc.com
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Date: 3 Jan 92 09:32:51 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!seunet!mcsun!unido!math.fu-berl
in.de!rusmv1!news@arizona.edu (MARCEL LUTZ)
Subject: Atari.archive-address wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I need the address-number of atari.archive.umich.edu ...
Can anybody tell me please ?
Thanks in advance,
Marcel Lutz
Please use the E-mail-address at the bottom ... the one in the header doesn't
work, but I can't change ist.
Fuer Ruckantworten bitte nur unten genannten E-Mail-Adresse benutzen. Die oben
genannte ist falsch, laesst sich aber leider nicht aendern.
--
Marcel Lutz
IfW, Institut fuer Werkzeugmaschinen
Universitaet Stuttgart, Holzgartenstr.17, 7000 Stuttgart
E-MAIL: lutz@ifw.fertigungstechnik.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de
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Date: 3 Jan 92 08:44:50 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu (Michel Forget)
Subject: AUTO Folder Programs -- How do they replace system functions?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Marco) writes:
> mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:
>
> > When the user presses TAB from a GEM program, an alert appears telling
> > the total ammount of free memory available. Again, this could be done
> > using an accessory, but it shouldn't have to be. I've seen all kinds of
> > programs that install themselves in the AUTO folder and activate
> > themselves when a key is pressed.
>
> Well, as you say you could use evnt_keybd() to do this from an ACC. To do
> this from an AUTO program, would, I beleive require you to intercept the
> TAB keypress.This would prevent the TAB from getting to the GEM program
> which you said we were running. I think the best way is to have it as an
> ACC and then evnt_keybd() (or evnt_multi()) for something such as
> alt-TAB, this way, because no program I no of uses alt-TAB you don't have
> to worry about interceppting it...
>
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | John Perry*Voice (204)783-0812*Internet marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
Perhaps, but the idea is to create a program that does this without using
up an .ACC slot. There are only six of them, so it wouldn't be a good
idea to waste one on a trivial task. Aside from that consideration, I
also talked about other programs that couldn't function as accessories,
such as a program that allows you to replace the file selector with one
of your own choosing. The best solution for this would be to tell the
system that the file selector routine is not at the default location, and
then terminate execution using the ptermres() system command so that the
memory occupied by the alternate selector is not erased or used by
another program. The only question is how to tell the system to jump to
a different location when it needs the file selector. This is only one
example. Hotkeys from the desktop should also be possible, but how do
you tell the system to wait for a keypress, and then to execute a program
when one is found. I suppose what I am looking for is a book that would
tell me all of this information, or as much as is available.
<< ------------------------------------------ >>
<< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< Michel Forget >>
<< "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, >>
<< for they are not happy campers!" - UNKNOWN >>
<< ------------------------------------------ >>
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Date: 2 Jan 92 15:50:38 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!icdoc!syma!kevinb@uunet.uu.net (Kevin Busby)
Subject: Color Emulators and the ste....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <1991Dec26.212226.28670@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, by
jbunch@isis.cs.du.edu (John Bunch):
> I have gfacolor.prg, but it only does low resolution. Any ideas out there
> on the net?
Gfacolor.prg does in fact provide medium res emulation also.
As long as you set up a desktop.inf file for medium-res boot-up there
should be no problem.
Kevin
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Date: 2 Jan 92 19:28:48 GMT
From: news.larc.nasa.gov!asdsun.larc.nasa.gov!klassa@ames.arpa (John Klassa)
Subject: Diet/Nutrition Analysis Software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does there exist a diet/nutrition analysis program for the ST?
I've seen offerings on other platforms (most notably IBM PC's)
that allow you to enter things like "I ate a tuna sandwich for
lunch" (in some form or another) and it determines how many
calories were in that sandwich and keeps track of things like
%fat, %carb's, etc. Anyone know of something like this for
the ST?
Thanks!
John Klassa
klassa@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov
P.S. Reply directly to me, as per "followup-to" line. I'll
post a summary if anybody cares...
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Date: 2 Jan 92 13:59:50 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!icdoc!syma!lezo@uunet.uu.net (Lez Oxley)
Subject: How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I would like to connect a colour TV (Matsui Model 1455) to an old-style
1040ST which doesn't have an RF socket.
Apart from purchasing an RF Modulator - could the UK Readers of this
Please suggest a possible supplier - is there anyway I can connect it
to the 1040 using the Video In/Audio In Phono Sockets of the TV with
appropriate connections from the ST's monitor socket (And no - the TV
doesn't have a Scart socket).
In my handbook for the ST, 'composite video' is mentioned as being
available on pin 2 but in combination with the Ground pin I can't get
it to work. I'm not sure whether my soldering is at fault or whether
even though the ST handbook talks about composite video, it is actually
available on a vintage 1040 ST.
Has anyone managed to get a composite video signal out of a 1040ST? Is
it even theoretically possible?
Lez
P.S. You can buy the monitor 'din' plugs from Maplin - price approx. 50p
--
Lez Oxley, Administration, University of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RH, UK
Tel: +44 273 606755 x3808 Fax: +44 273 678335 JANET: lezo@uk.ac.sussex.syma
ARPA: lezo%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
BITNET: lezo@syma.sussex.ac.uk UUCP: lezo@syma.uucp
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Date: 2 Jan 92 19:00:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!midiline!jared@arizona.edu
('286 Highlander)
Subject: Interested in...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
locating a Monitor Master device. I now have both a mono and color Atari
monitors and would like to have them both available to be used without
the huss and bother of swapping them. If anyone has one for sale, I can
trade either software or software and cash for it.
Please reply in Email if'n you would. Thanks!
Jared
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Date: 2 Jan 92 15:57:28 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!icdoc!syma!kevinb@uunet.uu.net (Kevin Busby)
Subject: Kaos Desk (was: Files sent to atari.archiv)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <A2437@UN.maus.de>, by Martin_Koehling@un.maus.de (Martin
Koehling):
>
> KAOSDESK is a sold as a commercial product for 19.80 (plus S&H).
> I really don't think there is a PD version.
>
Kaos Desk certainly seems to be a PD program in the UK: it is available
through legitimate PD distributors and even appeared on the "cover
disk" of 'New Computer Express' magazine.
Kevin
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Date: 3 Jan 92 09:31:39 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!tekgen.bv.tek.com@uunet.uu.net (Robert Luneski)
Subject: Misc Hardware & Software For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The wife says the mess has to go! So, I need to part with the following
hardware and software, all have original boxes and documentation:
2 Seagate ST157N-1 50 Meg SCSI drives $150 each
Practical Periphials Cordless Mouse $50
2 Atari SC1224 Color Monitors 1@ $150 and 1@ $175(original JVC fantastic
monitor)
I also have a whole bunch of Software I don't use any more. All are original
boxes, manuals, and disks:
Dungeon Master $15
Battle Hawks 1942 $15
Stellar Crusade $10
Red Storm Rising $10
SuperStar Ice Hockey $10
Mean 18 $10
Pirates! $10
Gone Fishin' $10
MicroSoft Flight Simulator II $10
Silent Service $10 (detect a pattern? :-)
Dive Bomber $10
Sundog $10
Label Master Elite $10
Shanghi $10
Gridiron Free to any $50 order
All items are priced well below fair market value and as such all prices are
firm. Terms: UPS COD cash or prepaid Money Order. Purchaser pays
shipping charges. First full price offer receives the item. I can be
contacted at:
Genie: B.LUNESKI1
Usenet: boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com
Phone: (503) 620-4919
Happy New Year!
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Date: 3 Jan 92 08:56:48 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas!ripolin!doucet@uunet.uu.net (Jean-Etienne Doucet)
Subject: PYM Demo on Terminator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <95789@bu.edu> selick@bucsf.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>
>After reading a message earlier about a 1.8 meg demo called PYM.ARC, I
>decided to get it and take a look. It is the "Punish Your Machine" demos
>that were shown last August in Germany. There were 4 lzh files that
>turned into 4 msa files and finally turned into 2 disks. It is very
>nicely dono. I wish some of these fantastic programmers would write some
>really good graphics applications or games that would be STE compatible!
I also downloaded PYM.ARC for a.a.
and after de-arced, then de-lharced and then de-msaed
(it's some kind of neologisms, isn't it ?)
the demo worked fine on my 1040STE (TOS 1.62)
and also on my son's 520STE (TOS 1.6).
Maybe it's because these are "french" (or european) STE ?
and now a question: why having lharced the .msa files
as this only gains some Kbytes among 1.8Meg ??
Jean-Etienne DOUCET
LAAS-CNRS, Toulouse, FRANCE.
doucet@laas.laas.fr
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Date: 2 Jan 92 16:13:06 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!icdoc!syma!kevinb@uunet.uu.net (Kevin Busby)
Subject: Quick ST availability (was: Quick ST support)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <1971@keele.keele.ac.uk>, by csx18@seq1.keele.ac.uk (C.M.
Yearsley):
>
> I was recommmended to an English dealer (who only had an old version
> with no plan to upgrade) or to 'phone America (which would cost almost
> as much as buying the program!).
>
> [...]
> Mechanisms to buy software reliably exist. Until QST is available
> through one, I'm not trusting my money to someone a long way away
> with a bad record.
Quick ST 3.0 is now being sold in the UK by the invaluable 'ST Club'.
With it comes a large-screen emulator (for TOS 1.4 and above), desktop
customiser and a few other bits and pieces. Cost: 19 pounds 95, or
12 pounds 95 to 15th January. I bought one and consider it money well
spent.
Details from: ST Club, 2 Broadway, Nottingham, NG1 1PS. Tel: 0602 410241.
Information offered in good faith but E&OE.
Kevin Busby
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Date: 2 Jan 92 19:14:00 GMT
From: STONY-BROOK.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM!jrd@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (John R. Dunning)
Subject: SCSI tape backup
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anybody have, or know where I could find, a simple backup program
to work with a generic SCSI tapedrive? I have an ST with an ICD host
adapter.
A related question; does anyone know how to get straight to the SCSI bus
through an ICD host adapter?
Thanks in advance, please mail responses.
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Date: 3 Jan 92 07:28:21 GMT
From:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!nuug!fenris!sofus.dhhalden.no!jonal@uune
t.uu.net (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Subject: Sound CPX?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi again!
I've tried the Beep, Click & Play sound utilities, but think they're a bit
too outdated now that we've got the STe DMA sound & the Xcontrol Control
Panel. Does anyone know of a CPX that does the same thing as those small
auto (and desktop) programs (replacing the system beep with a sampled sound
and assigning sounds to different keys)? Having it as a CPX module would
make it easier to configure, with all the sound-picking being done with a
fileselector call from the CPX and having everything in one place. DMA Sound
support to get more processor time to other things...
If there is such an utility, Freeware/Shareware/Commercial anything, please
mail me!
Jon Lovstad | Sorry, but this part of my .sig file has been
jonal@sofus.dhhalden.no | retconned by DeFalco...
|
SnailMail: Storgata 18 | If Batman can have 2 Crays, then why can't
N-1750 HALDEN, NORWAY | I get a humble TT030?
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Date: 3 Jan 92 00:21:09 GMT
From: VULCAN.NOARL.NAVY.MIL!fox@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Dan Fox)
Subject: ST/UNIX compatible LHARCs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
At the risk of starting another archive-method holy war, can anyone
point me to a Unix (Sun specific would be fine) lharc version which
can unpack the newer files that are showing up at atari.archive?
I prefer to unpack files initially on the Sun at work, check out the
README's etc, before taking the archives home but many of the new files
produce errors along the line of: "sorry - cannot extract this method".
PS - I used 'archie' to track down unix lharc's with recent dates, but
they all seem to be minor variants of the "C-LHarc for UNIX Version 1
(c) 1989-1990 Y Tagawa, Kai Uwe Rommel" version.
Thanks.
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Date: 3 Jan 92 07:26:09 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!fbi-news!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute)
Subject: ST/UNIX compatible LHARCs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Compatibility? Ha, ha! There's no such thing in the LHarc world.
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.bitnet
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
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Date: 2 Jan 92 23:11:00 GMT
From: psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@uunet.uu.net (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: System 7 and Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
It's been a while, so I thought I'd ask again: any news on
progress toward making Spectre System 7 compatible? e.g., is
it in beta-version yet?
Just wondering.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
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Date: 3 Jan 92 03:10:17 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@ames.arpa (Len Stys)
Subject: TT/030 why the ST RAM?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've read a lot of articles on the TT/030 and David Small's 68030 SST.
However, I still have some questions.
One of my questions is why is there a need for ST RAM in these machines?
Why can't they just have fastRAM?
It would be great if the TT/030 could use fastRAM only to run ST
software.
David Small says that a reason for the 4 megs of ST RAM in his
hardware is because video and disk have to come out of it.
But why?
Sorry for all these questions but there is only one way that I'm
going to learn. Thanks.
--
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Date: 2 Jan 92 20:50:29 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@a
rizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: VME and expansions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan1.054626.8017@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>Hi, I'm kind of confused about what VME actually is and would like
>to know some things about expansions slots.
Well, your first point of confusion is assuming that VME and "expansion
slots" are mutually exclusive. These terms are both related to a topic
which I'll call system bus design.
>
>I hear VME is almost a standard in Europe. Expansion slots are the
>way PCs are expanded in the U.S.
The VME spec is a system bus design specification, just like ISA or
AT-bus is a bus spec. In both cases you have a "backplane" which is
mostly a bunch of address, data & control signals, and "expansion
cards" which attach to the backplane. I don't really like the term
"expansion slots" since that implies a system dependence on the actual
physical slots, and such a dependency doesn't really exist. In the old
Apple II series referring to "slots" made sense because there were
only a fixed number of them, and they were mapped to specific regions
of memory, so a "slot" equated with a bus region. On a PC or VME bus
a "slot" is simply a card holder, and is otherwise nothing special.
>
>I hear there are 3U boards which the TTs have. I've been told that
>they are not the complete version.
They're referred to as A24/D16 boards, with A and D referring to address
and data lines, respectively. A24/D16 means 24 address lines and 16 data
lines, naturally enough. Many other configurations exist, like A24/D24 and
A32/D32 and so on... A24/D16 makes sense on a plain 68000-based machine
like the ST or STe, since the 68000 also has only 24 address lines and
only 16 data lines. A32/D32 would have been more appropriate for something
like the TT that uses a full 32 bit processor...
>
>I'm also told that there are 6U and 9U boards. What is the
>difference between the boards?
Physical size, number of connectors available, and number of signals on
the various connectors.
>
>How much do each cost if you want to buy one or want to buy them
>in quantities?
dunno...
>
>If Atari did some rearranging with the 1040 STe, could a VME be placed
>in it or would it fit? Are there just plain VME bus or are they cards?
Not sure what additional support (if any) is required. For the most part,
a VME bus consists of the signals you find on a 680x0 CPU.
>
>Would it be nice if Atari had a few VME boards in the TTs and Mega STes
>or is one enough?
Again, don't drag "slots" into the discussion. You can stick any number of
devices onto a bus, whether it's PC bus or VME bus. In both cases, if the
number of devices you want to plug in exceeds the number of physical slots
you have, you just go get a bus extender, which plugs into an existing slot
and gives you X number of new slots.
>
>Why is there one port on the Mega STe on back of the VME and two ports
>on back of the TT/030?
huh?
>
>Ok, now on to my expansion questions. I know this isn't an Amiga
>newsgroup but if anyone knows, I'd appreciate an answer. What type
>of cards does the Amiga 2000 accept? PC cards?
Amiga-specific, not PC, although if you get the Bridgeboard you can use
PC cards in that.
>
>Also, how many expansion slots are there on an Amiga 2000 and 3000?
dunno.
>
>And lastly, which is better and why, VME or expansion slots?
Irrelevant question, as I hope you've seen by now.
--
-- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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Date: 2 Jan 92 21:07:41 GMT
From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: VME and expansions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan1.054626.8017@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
%>
%>
%>Hi, I'm kind of confused about what VME actually is and would like
%>to know some things about expansions slots.
%>I hear VME is almost a standard in Europe. Expansion slots are the
%>way PCs are expanded in the U.S.
VME is a bus specification - it specifies how a card must electronically
communicate and how it should physically connect to the bus. PC's (IBM-style)
have three common bus specifications: ISA (Industry Standard Architecture),
EISA (Extended ISA), and MicroChannel. Most MS-DOS PC's are ISA.
%>I hear there are 3U boards which the TTs have. I've been told that
%>they are not the complete version.
%>I'm also told that there are 6U and 9U boards. What is the
%>difference between the boards?
3U, 6U, and 9U refer to the size of the board . 3U is about the height of a
PC expansion card (3" high give-or-take), 6U is twice as high, and 9U is three
times as high. Typically a 3U card will have one physical connector, 6U two,
and 9U three.
%>How much do each cost if you want to buy one or want to buy them
%>in quantities?
Cost is totally dependent on what the card does. A simple serial card would
be less expensive than an Ethernet card which would be less than a high-end
graphics card. Because these cards aren't usually sold in the same quantity
as a PC expansion card they tend to be more - maybe $500 on the low end on up.
There could certainly be exceptions to this, however.
%>If Atari did some rearranging with the 1040 STe, could a VME be placed
%>in it or would it fit? Are there just plain VME bus or are they cards?
Electronic circuitry needs to be present on the motherboard to communicate
with the bus. Therefore you would need more for a 1040STE than just some room
to put the bus, but theoretically a company could make a hardware add-on which
could support VME bus.
%>Would it be nice if Atari had a few VME boards in the TTs and Mega STes
%>or is one enough?
I assume you mean slots, not boards. This is a subjective question, but I
suspect the most common uses for the VME slot will be graphics and networking.
If someone comes out with a good combination card the single slot will
probably be sufficient - otherwise bus extenders are available which will give
up to 21 slots (though you'd obviously not be able to fit them within the Mega
STe / TT.
%>Ok, now on to my expansion questions. I know this isn't an Amiga
%>newsgroup but if anyone knows, I'd appreciate an answer. What type
%>of cards does the Amiga 2000 accept? PC cards?
I believe the Amiga supports its own proprietary bus, as well as one or two
ISA slots. Proper software drivers need to be written to use standard ISA
cards in an Amiga, of course.
%>And lastly, which is better and why, VME or expansion slots?
Again, assuming you mean "Which is better, VME or ISA (AT-bus)?", it depends
what your needs are. VME bus is capable of sustaining very high data rates,
but requires more circuitry to support (therefore higher hardware costs). ISA
allows for very inexpensive cards (I've seen $19 serial and video cards), but
can't sustain nearly the data rate, and doesn't allow for a "bus master" card,
which can take over the bus for certain functions.
%>THANKS. I know many people would also appreciate an answer to these
%>questions.
Sure.
%>Len Stys
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