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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 23 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 39
Today's Topics:
Amiga flamers
Amiga flames (was: Atarians! Where are yiu ?! and: Yet another ST
Atari 1040STe/30Meg HD/Mono Monitor $550
Atarians! Where Are You?! (2 msgs)
computer flame wars are stupid
Dungeon Master, once again (2 msgs)
FTP for PD software (2 msgs)
Is STart magazine utterly dead?
MIDI out to audio
New Supra Modem...
Poscript problem
scanner software, OCR, IMG manipulation.
Spectre users unite!
ST Drive blues
X server for Atari?
Yet another ST for sale
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Date: 23 Jan 92 11:09:26 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!yorkohm!minster!jph@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Amiga flamers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A note to all Atari owners on the net - please don't reply to the Amiga idiot
who insists on trying to start a flame war every other week. These flames are
totally non-productive and a complete waste of time. If we just ignore him he'll
get bored and go off to somewhere else and leave us in peace.
Maybe we should have a moderator to filter out this flame trash.
Jonathan.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 92 17:37:32 MEZ
From: Thorsten Nitz <SB010NI%DACTH11.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Amiga flames (was: Atarians! Where are yiu ?! and: Yet another ST
To: info-atari 16 list <INFO-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
It was written :
>In article <1992Jan18.122843.10678@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
> (Roger Sheppard) writes:
>>
>>Please tell us all how this is posible with Standard A500 or is this
>>the Reason that the Amiga does not have very many DTP programs..??
>>
>I suppose you don't consider PageStream 2.2 a DTP program??? Don't they
>even publish it for the toy atari? Of course the Amiga's is one version
>HIGHER than yours.
>
>The Super Denise chip that is now included with new A500's sold in Europe
>(and soon to be in the states also) gives Productivity mode which displays
>640 X 480 flicker free on ANY VGA type (or multisync monitor). This means
>a user can go out and buy an $89 paper white mono VGA and use it with his A500.
>The Super Denise can be had for about $55 for older A500's ($55 + $89 STILL
>adds up to less than the price of a new toyari monochrome - in case you can't
>add!)
>
>>Also I here that the sales of A500 + is now gone minus, they are all taking
>>them back as they can't play games on this new machine any more..??
>>
>
>Kinda like the monstrosity known as the STe??? TOS 1.06 hardly runs anything!!
>Also, how many of your ST GAMES run on your beloved TT??
>
>>And were are all your PD C compilers, this main Amiga chaps here don't
>>seem to know much about them..
>>
>
>The amiga doesn't NEED a PD compiler. There are still publishers that
>support us!!
>
>>Also have you thought that we have better things to do with our
>>machines than to spend time chatting on the net...:-)..
>>
>
>Since the Amiga is a TRUE multitasking machine, we can do more than one thing
>at a time. Try THAT with your ST! (and don't even bother mentioning
>multigem.... That's about as good a multitasker as switcher is on the Mac)
>
>Also I guess keeping an eye out for some loser who will buy your 'computer'
>keeps the average Atarian pretty busy too!
>
>And MY goddamn pointer never has flickered EITHER!!! In Fact the ONLY
>non-flickering pointer I've ever seen on a toy atari is when it is running
>under Spectre! Heh heh heh.....
It was further written :
>
>In article <1992Jan22.183730.12621@varian.uucp> lefko@csbvax.uucp (Marty
> Lefkowitz) writes:
>>Atari 520STfm for sale. Hardly used. 1040 motherboard.
>>Comes with mono monitor,
>>1 double sided disk (IBM compatible)
>>1 single sided disk.
>>Monitor Stand
>>All origonal boxes and manuals
>>
>>$350 or best offer.
>
>
>Heh heh.... Like a rat scrambling to abandon a sinking ship, yet another
>Atarian offers up his 'computer' hoping that some fool will be stupid enough
>to buy it.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
> __
> I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, ///
~~~~~~
You may very well be kicked elsewhere, though ... :-)
> briefed, debriefed, or numbered. __ /// Only Amiga makes
> \\\/// it possible.....
> My life is my own. \XX/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> england@u.washington.edu
>
PLEASE spare me this. If I really wanted to know about Amigas I'd
subscribe to the Amiga list.
And as for the second mail (I won't even mention the author, Greg!),
NO, NOT ANOTHER FALME WAR !
As a good example of peaceableness I spare you the remark that
Amiga users don't sell their machines because they can't get rid of
them...
Thorsten Nitz
sb010ni@dacth11.bitnet
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Date: 23 Jan 92 18:34:27 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.
edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!udecc.engr.udayton.edu!blackbi
rd.afit.af.mil!lonex.rl.af. (Jeffrey K. Long)
Subject: Atari 1040STe/30Meg HD/Mono Monitor $550
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Title pretty much sums it up, huh?l
1040STe, Monochrome monitor, 30 Meg ICD Based Harddrive
WordPerfect 4.1, Flash 1.6, Shadow, Steno/Stalker,Generation Gap+
GFA Basic 3.0 w/compiler, Turbo ST
Works perfectly, looks new, All above software comes with original Docs and
Disks.
$550.00 I pay shipping via UPS
Jeff Long
--
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longj@lonex.rl.af.mil (preferred) Network Design Laboratory
jlong@cassiopeia.rl.af.mil (315)330-7751 or (DSN)587-7751
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Date: 23 Jan 92 13:28:27 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ucacmsu@uunet.uu.net (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan23.071233.10605@milton.u.washington.edu>
tlk@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeremy C. Norberg) writes:
>In article <1992Jan18.122843.10678@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
>>
>>Please tell us all how this is posible with Standard A500 or is this
>>the Reason that the Amiga does not have very many DTP programs..??
>>
>I suppose you don't consider PageStream 2.2 a DTP program??? Don't they
>even publish it for the toy atari? Of course the Amiga's is one version
>HIGHER than yours.
This is a childish remark.
>
>The Super Denise chip that is now included with new A500's sold in Europe
>(and soon to be in the states also) gives Productivity mode which displays
>640 X 480 flicker free on ANY VGA type (or multisync monitor). This means
>a user can go out and buy an $89 paper white mono VGA and use it with his A500.
>The Super Denise can be had for about $55 for older A500's ($55 + $89 STILL
>adds up to less than the price of a new toyari monochrome - in case you can't
>add!)
>
>>Also I here that the sales of A500 + is now gone minus, they are all taking
>>them back as they can't play games on this new machine any more..??
>>
>
>Kinda like the monstrosity known as the STe??? TOS 1.06 hardly runs anything!!
>Also, how many of your ST GAMES run on your beloved TT??
How many games will run on the A3000? I suspect none which assume that the
processor is a 68000 or which assume that the hardware is theirs alone to
play with. If they don't run, it's the software authors who should be
blamed, not the hardware.
>
>>And were are all your PD C compilers, this main Amiga chaps here don't
>>seem to know much about them..
>>
>
>The amiga doesn't NEED a PD compiler. There are still publishers that
>support us!!
EVERY platform needs a PD C compiler unless it comes with one as standard,
this allows poor people who can only afford the bare machine to contribute
to the community.
>
>>Also have you thought that we have better things to do with our
>>machines than to spend time chatting on the net...:-)..
>>
>
>Since the Amiga is a TRUE multitasking machine, we can do more than one thing
>at a time. Try THAT with your ST! (and don't even bother mentioning
>multigem.... That's about as good a multitasker as switcher is on the Mac)
Have a look at the MiNT project... it is a fully multi-tasking OS extention
for TOS and includes such things as PIPEs, SEMAPHORES priority scheduling
etc, and the source is available! (It will run ALL software which doesn't
assume too much about the system, eg that it loads at a certain address or
that it knows where its parent's data space is).
If you want a Real-Time multitasking OS, then get RTX.
And.. oh yes.. multi-TOS is just around the corner.
>
>Also I guess keeping an eye out for some loser who will buy your 'computer'
>keeps the average Atarian pretty busy too!
This is again childish.
>
>And MY goddamn pointer never has flickered EITHER!!! In Fact the ONLY
>non-flickering pointer I've ever seen on a toy atari is when it is running
>under Spectre! Heh heh heh.....
Erm.. the pointer on my machines has never flickered! Maybe you were
thinking of the Amiga pointer on a HAM mode screen. (Sorry.. that's childish
too.)
Steve
PS. The Amiga is a fine machine for graphics, and quite good for sound, but
it isn't ideal for some things, including I must say, programming in C.
--
Addresses:-
JANET:- ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl or susher@uk.ac.csm
Internet:- ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk or susher@csm.ac.uk
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Date: 23 Jan 92 10:24:15 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!edcastle!dcs.ed.ac.uk!kc@uunet.uu.net (Kenneth Cameron)
Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan23.071233.10605@milton.u.washington.edu>
... (Jeremy C. Norberg) writes:
>Since the Amiga is a TRUE multitasking machine, we can do more than one thing
>at a time. Try THAT with your ST! (and don't even bother mentioning
>multigem.... That's about as good a multitasker as switcher is on the Mac)
I don't really want to get involved in an Atari/Amiga flame war, but I heard
something about the Amiga from a friend who just got one, that I thought was
so funny, I just had to share it with my fellow Atarians.
You know how the Amiga fanatics flaunt the fact that they have a TRUE
multitasking machine. Well, apparently when two processes decide to
access the floppy, they do just that, and the head runs up and down the
disk as each moves it back and forward never getting where they want.
Eventually ( after several seconds ) they time out and after a pause one
restarts first and manages to complete the operation.
Can you say elavator algorithm ?, the Amiga systems programmers did n't.
(I think the machine by friend bought was new, so this is the current
release of the OS :-)
--
Kenneth@Edinburgh
Any opinions expressed above are mine, Edinburgh University can't afford any of
their own at the moment.
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Date: 23 Jan 92 14:57:28 GMT
From: ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!chu@rutgers.rutgers.edu (john c chu)
Subject: computer flame wars are stupid
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
My apologies on the meta-discussion. (Anyone who has read
news.announce.newusers can tell you that meta-discussions are frowned upon.)
However, does it really matter which computer is "better"?
More importantly, who cares?
"Knowing" that you have the "better" computer doesn't change its
capacities, in any case.
Most of the flame wars I've witnessed are a result of ignorance. Cheap
shots and ad hominem attacks are not going to change this.
I suppose its an ego thing to think that the computer you own is the
"best". (I'm not necessarily above this myself.) So if you're going to
waste your time arguing in ignorance using cheap tactics, will you
please take it into e-mail?
All flames will be blissfully ignored.
Please note the follow-up.
john
chu@acsu.buffalo.edu
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Date: 23 Jan 92 14:49:57 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!okes@uunet.uu.net (Oke S)
Subject: Dungeon Master, once again
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
How to defeat Chaos:
Get to the small room in the corner of the level and kill the demon in there.
Hang around in this room and wait for Chaos to arrive. When he does, let him
in and close the doors. Dodge his magic, and make fluxcages constantly.
When the room is fuul of them and Chaos is in the corner of the room which
is also the corner of the level, face him and FUSE.
Now watch the game's end sequence.
Simon.
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Date: 23 Jan 92 18:06:26 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zazen!news@ariz
ona.edu (PAul STevens -- MACC)
Subject: Dungeon Master, once again
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <OKES.92Jan23144957@solb1.essex.ac.uk>, okes@solb1.essex.
>How to defeat Chaos:
>Get to the small room in the corner of the level and kill the demon in there.
>Hang around in this room and wait for Chaos to arrive. When he does, let him
>in and close the doors. Dodge his magic, and make fluxcages constantly.
>When the room is fuul of them and Chaos is in the corner of the room which
>is also the corner of the level, face him and FUSE.
>Now watch the game's end sequence.
>
> Simon.
I did not find it QUITE that complicated. It has been a long
time but I recall getting him out in the middle of the big room in
a place I could move around, stepping to each of the four sides
of him and caging him on the four sides. Then the final blow.
Perhaps it would be easier your way in a small room!
PAul
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Date: 20 Jan 92 12:03:42 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n03ls@uunet.uu.net (Jane Fothergill)
Subject: FTP for PD software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Which FTP sites have PD available for the Atari ST????
BTW in reference to my last mail about a lack of memory, I was right, I've
taken it back and now possess a 1040 not a mock 1040!!!
Jane
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Date: 20 Jan 92 14:23:03 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n08z7@uunet.uu.net (Craig Graham)
Subject: FTP for PD software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Why not try these sites for a starter, (courtesy of us at Newcastle University
Computing Society, England)???
atari.archive.umich.edu / terminator.cc.umich.edu
ummts.cc.umich.edu (cd PC7:)
pdsoft.lancs.ac.uk
ssyx.ucsc.edu
tolsun.oulu.fi
umn-cs.cs.umn.edu
wuarchive.wustl.edu
score.stanford.edu
jyu.fi
dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu
rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de
ENJOY..........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>CRAIG GRAHAM>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: 23 Jan 92 15:06:35 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!tamsun!mtecv2!uapnx1.
dgsca.unam.mx@arizona.edu (Gerardo Cisneros)
Subject: Is STart magazine utterly dead?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anybody know if STart magazine is definitely dead?
Or whether they still have an office in San Francisco?
Their subscriptions P.O. Box in Mount Morris has been closed, according to the
USPS.
Your replies to my questions will be appreciated.
--
Dr. Gerardo Cisneros |Depto. de Aplicacion de Microcomputadoras
gerardo@uapnx1.dgsca.unam.mx |Instituto de Ciencias, UAP, Puebla
CISNEROS@UNAMVM1 (BITNET) |91-92: on sabbatical at DGSCA/UNAM, Mexico
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Date: 23 Jan 92 14:52:01 GMT
From: FREIA.INF.TU-DRESDEN.DE!hohmuth@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Michael Hohmuth)
Subject: MIDI out to audio
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@uunet.uu.net (William Thomas
Daugustine) writes:
> Hi. I am interested in a hopefully easy way to take the stuff that
> I record via MIDI on my STe, and somehow pump it thru the STes
> stereo audio out. Anyway I can do this without buying stuff like
> expensive digitizers?
There is a freeware software syntesizer called SMS from R.A.P. It's able
to record MIDI events and to pump them to the audio outputs (mono and
STe's stereo (I think; I don't own a STe)) with a reasonable quality.
It supports four sound channels and two drum channels.
Is that what you need?
SMS comes with lots of samples and a tool that lets you create your own high
quality samples. For 40DM you get a tool that lets you play SMS soundtracks
from within your own programs.
To get an impression of SMS' quality, get one of the games MidiMaze II
(shareware) or OXYD (dongleware): The title soundtrack of these games was
created using SMS.
Oh, I forgot: SMS' docs are in German. I don't know if there is an English
version.
Michael
--
hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de
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Date: 23 Jan 92 17:17:44 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!caddac1.waterloo.
edu!jparker@arizona.edu (James Parker)
Subject: New Supra Modem...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan23.102316.400@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
>In article <1992Jan22.194723.23878@milton.u.washington.edu>
tymbrimi@milton.u.washington.edu (Ben Gilbert) writes:
>> Hi, I recently saw an ad in a friend's computer magazine for a new
>> Supra modem, something like the Supra 2400 PLUS, it says it has
>> asynchronous 300,1200,2400 bps (that's the usual I suppose), 4800 bps
>> with MNP 5, and 9600 bps with v32.bis or v42.bis (can't remember which).
>> So can I actually pay the CHEAP $130 bucks for this modem and dial up
>> my school net at 9600 baud? Sounds like a good deal to me, I know that
>> my school dial-in IS this new v32(42).bis thing, someone tell me, 9600
>> baud would be awesome for only $130 mail order...
>>
I have a somewhat related question concerning my Supra 2400 modem.
I have been using it satisfactorily for several years until recently
new modems were installed on the server here at the university.
Now I cannot connect at 2400 baud (tho' it does still work at 1200).
According to the docs, the dial-in lines use V.42bis at 2400 baud.
My Supra 2400 manual says it is V.22bis. Is there an inherent
incompatibility here? Do I need to get a new modem using V.42bis
to talk at 2400? Please say no! I know nil about what V.42, V.22 etc
means so be easy on me.
thanks for any help.
james
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Date: 23 Jan 92 14:59:17 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!samsung!nstar!syscon!miked@arizona.ed
u (Mike DeMetz)
Subject: Poscript problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For some time I have be producing our clubs newsletter on the
ST with Timeworks DTP and using PSCAPT to save the postscript
output to disk to take to work and copy to the laser printer.
It has worked fine. The cover page has some artwork and one
clip-art picture along with some text. When I took a digitized
pic from VIDI-ST and imported it into the cover page and tried to
print it I got nothing. The printer seems to take data for a while
then goes to waiting, then times out. Pushing the Formfeed does nothing.
Removing the pic makes everything OK again. Size of pic does no seem
to make any differnce. Any ideas on the problem??
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Date: 20 Jan 92 11:59:38 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!ntgk@uunet.uu.net (Trevor Kirby)
Subject: scanner software, OCR, IMG manipulation.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm debating about buying a scanner and am looking for some
recommendations and a few hints for suitable software. I'm
intending to use it mainly to scale plans for models and
am not looking for mega buck solutions.
What I want is something to scan in plans and allow me to
scale them. A CAD-CAM system is way overkill for this,
something that allows me to resize an IMG file and either
see the size on the screen as I'm doing it or allows me to
shrink/expand to a known size will be fine.
I'd also like some software that allows me to glue some
images together accurately ie. not like touchup which just
gives a blank clip box when you move it round. Has anyone
used the golden image scanning tray?
Finally is there any OCR software out there?
Trev
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Date: 23 Jan 92 19:47:07 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!firenze!wmagro
@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: Spectre users unite!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Are there enough spectre users out there to get a new newsgroup going?
I don't remember the rules for starting a new newsgroup. Anyone want
to refresh me? We could have comp.sys.atari.st.spectre and we could
share problems, experiences, successes, etc. there.
Any interest?
--Bill
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Date: 23 Jan 92 12:24:12 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!yorkohm!minster!mjl-b@uunet.uu.net
Subject: ST Drive blues
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan22.164419@aifh.ed.ac.uk> aiscc@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Stuart Charman)
writes:
>
>I have but a lowly single-sided internal drive, and am desperately in need
>of an update to double-sided. Can anyone give me any advice as to the best
>or cheapest way to go about this. Can I simply buy a external drive, or must
>I fit a new internal. What price an internal, can I fit it myself.
I believe that you can just go out and buy a slimline 3.5" drive mechanism
and plug it into the ST. You will probably have to cut your ST's case so
that you can push the button that ejects disks.
This is essentially what you get with "1MB drive upgrade kits." -- the
mechanism and instructions on where to cut your case! You will probably save
money by buying a 3.5" mechanism directly.
>Cheers,
>
>Stuart.
Mat
| Mathew Lodge | "What do they call you, boy?" "Kate." "Isn't |
| mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk | that a bit of a girl's name?" "... it's |
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Date: 23 Jan 92 18:51:24 GMT
From: apple!netcomsv!mats@ames.arpa (Mats Wichmann)
Subject: X server for Atari?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
So, does anyone know of an X server which would run on a TT/030 to make
it usable as an Xterminal? Seems like I've heard rumors of such a
thing, but I have no info at all.
--
Mats Wichmann
Systems Software Consultant
alruna!mats@ossi.com (or mats@netcom.com)
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Date: 23 Jan 92 13:48:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!glens@arizona
.edu (Glen Sescila)
Subject: Yet another ST for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
england@u.washington.edu writes ...
> Heh heh.... Like a rat scrambling to abandon a sinking ship, yet another
> Atarian offers up his 'computer' hoping that some fool will be stupid enough
> to buy it.
I just wanted to mention that I can see at least 4X as many Amigas
for sale per week as Ataris. In fact they had to create a whole seperate
newsgroup just for unloading Amigas!
> Heh heh....
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