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Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 2 Feb 92 Volume 92 : Issue 62
Today's Topics:
Anti-flamewar proposal.
Bash 1.10 binary for Mint problem
Calamus file format wanted
Color program recommendations
Converting GIF to PI3
DESKJET 500
Gif printer drivers
Good and small shell for Mint wanted
Help needed / TC
I just got CS-TeX for my machine....
Is there software in Germany that ...
MapleV
Movie Madness
pcditto software on a TT?
Postscript on Atari's in general
Selling (older) Atari's
SM124 Monitor Problem
STOS 3D (2 msgs)
Tape cassette maker?
TEX printer problems
Thomas Quester's e-mail addres
Wanted - Planetfall for the ST
Zoo problems continue
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Date: 2 Feb 92 00:47:07 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.c
so.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan31.103626.10724@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>,
seibert@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Ewald Seibert) writes:
|>
|> In article <1992Jan25.215455.14648@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>,
wmagro@roma.physics.uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
|> |>
<<various helpful hints about how to use various programs and
designed to correct shortcomings in the ST>>
|>
|> Have you ever tried GEMINI a shareware DESKTOP with included CLI (UNIX-like)
|>
|> You aren't informed very well for the critics you write.
I fear I am quite well informed. You missed my point. I was complaining
that we, as Atari users, always seem to be resorting to various programs
to correct problems and shortcomings in our machines. If atari regularly
released TOS updates on disk, we wouldn't need:
Quick ST
Gemini
NeoDesk
Pinhead
Little Green Selector
MaxiFile
and on and on and on.
We have a certain number of productivity programs for our STs and about
20 times as many utilities and patches. I suggest Atari makes the atari a
lower maintenance machine and a higher productivity platform?
--Bill
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Date: 2 Feb 92 11:49:45 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!ruunfs!ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl!muts@uunet.uu.net (Peter
Mutsaers)
Subject: Bash 1.10 binary for Mint problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I got my bash 1.10 binary from atari.archive, the Mint version. When I
set too many environment variables, the shell crashes.
I cannot set/read the _stksize by the way because there is no symbol
table.
Do others have the same problems?
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers. |================================================
muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl | Memento Mori
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Date: 2 Feb 92 06:26:26 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!hb.maus.de!k2.maus.de!Dirk_Steins@uunet.uu.net
(Dirk Steins)
Subject: Calamus file format wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>Can somebody help me with CTX and CVG file formats? I intend to generate
>files in those formats within my own programs. Therefore I'd apprechiate
Just ask at DMC if they will give you these formats. Should be the
simpliest way...
Dirk
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 92 21:09:25 -0500
From: astre@halfog.asrc.albany.edu (A.S.T.R.E.)
Subject: Color program recommendations
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I finally picked up a color monitor for my ST, after five-plus years
in the 640x400 monochrome world. I've DLed a few programs such as
Colorspace and Llamatron, but I'd like some recommendations from you.
What are the top freeware/shareware games/demos/graphix for the ST?
P.S. - This is for a 2.5meg, TOS 1.0 ST (wishin' for a 68k/16!)
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Jeff Vincent / ASTRE // ASTRE = Competition Rocketry //
// astre@halfog.asrc.albany.edu // Publisher of STAR-DATE //
//------------------------------------------------------------------//
// Gummi Bears! Gummi Bears!! They're chewing on my brain!!! //
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 92 14:47:19 -0500
From: astre@halfog.asrc.albany.edu (A.S.T.R.E.)
Subject: Converting GIF to PI3
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
RE: a question on converting GIFs to PI3 in IA16 Digest #028
I've used the following solution for quick and easy conversion
for the past few years. First pick up "p_or_s_2.lzh" and "giffer.arc"
at atari.archive. "p_or_s_2.lzh" is print-or-save, an AUTO program
that allows you to send the Desktop's ALT-HELP print screen routine
either to your printer or to a Degas PI? file. "giffer.arc" is a
monochrome-only GIF picture viewer that is quick and has good
dithering capabilities. After booting up (and configuring) p_or_s,
run giffer and show your picture, then hit ALT-RSHT-HELP to send the
screen to a PI3 file in the directory of your choice. Piece 'o cake.
BTW, I wrote a little GEM shell to make giffer a little more
friendly. Send me mail if you are interested in a copy.
BTW2, this is an excellent solution for generating picture files for
use as Desktop backgrounds in Quick-ST. My favorites are SPACEWLK.GIF
and SR71.GIF (even if I only have a lowly 68k-8, not an SST;).
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Jeff Vincent / ASTRE // ASTRE = Competition Rocketry //
// astre@halfog.asrc.albany.edu // Publisher of STAR-DATE //
//------------------------------------------------------------------//
// Gummi Bears! Gummi Bears!! They're chewing on my brain!!! //
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Date: 2 Feb 92 07:05:37 GMT
From:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!elias!mediatex!BEIZ!Friese@a
mes.arpa
Subject: DESKJET 500
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
i'm looking for an hp deskjet 500, but i
don't know how to use it. I work with "
That's Write" and with signum 2! and som
etimes with "Campus". Can anybody tell m
e which drivers can be uesed ??? One pro
blem: i'm can read messages o n l y he
re in the "BEIZ"-System.
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Date: 2 Feb 92 05:05:08 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!ninjam@ari
zona.edu
Subject: Gif printer drivers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Help!
Does anyone have any program that I can print out Gif's on?
I have a 520st with a star nl-10 dot matrix printer.
ANYTHING WOULD BE APPRECIATED!
THanks! And please reply via E-mail! ASAP!!!!!
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Date: 2 Feb 92 11:43:20 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!ruunfs!ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl!muts@uunet.uu.net (Peter
Mutsaers)
Subject: Good and small shell for Mint wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone have a bourne shell compatible shell for Mint, that is
quite small? Usually I use bash but sometimes it is too big and
framgents memory too much. It *must* use '/' as path name seperator.
A native bourne or korn shell, without any functional changes from the
original unix version, would be fine.
Thanks in advance,
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers. |================================================
muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl | Memento Mori
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Date: 2 Feb 92 08:04:22 GMT
From: mcsun!cernvax!cernvax.cern.ch@uunet.uu.net (roger hoh)
Subject: Help needed / TC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi Atarians,
I've just written a new horizontal hardcopy routine that works fine on a
Brother M-1224L. It should work (hopefully) on all LQ500 compatible
printers. Hi-rez and mono only. X Y ratio is respected, black is as
black as possible.
The 'negative' parts are:
- needs a 128Kb spooler
- takes about 23 seconds on a Mega STE/4 16Mhz+cache
(compiled with MWC)
The idea is to find a kind soul that would accept to compile the source
with TC (or Pure C), and send me the result back, so I can measure the
time taken in an identical situation.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Please, contact me by e-mail.
Roger hohr@cernvax.cern.ch
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Date: 2 Feb 92 01:33:28 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.ui
uc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: I just got CS-TeX for my machine....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan31.154752.6012@newcastle.ac.uk>, D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk
(Dave Johnson) writes:
|> Having installed CS-TeX on my machine at home I have a few questions. The
|> installation had no problems but I can't understand a word of german and am
new
|> to TeX. I have got hold of some english docs and can produce simple
documents.
|>
|> Can anyone explain to me how to use the draw.sty correctly, I have manage to
|> include a few pictures in the document but the layout was a mess and I could
do
|> with some help in sorting out the parameters required for it.
|>
|> Also I have heard about Slitex (sp?) and I was wonder what is it, and what to
|> do to get it install on my machine (if I descided to use it) using CS-TeX
sounds like you need to buy a copy of 'LaTeX', by Leslie Lamport,
creator of LaTeX. It will answer ALL of your questions.
-b
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Date: 2 Feb 92 03:55:21 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.
com!att!linac!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: Is there software in Germany that ...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan31.201000.5790@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes:
>I'm starting to write my master's thesis and was hoping you guys
>there in Germany would know of any document processors that
gee, when i wrote my master's thesis, the hot setup was a Selectrix, Fortran
(batch, natch), a Calcomp plotter, Rapidograph pens, and White-Out :-)
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
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Date: 31 Jan 92 22:31:24 GMT
From:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!urmel!tornado!bara.
oche.de!wr@ames.arpa (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: MapleV
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1992Jan30.090747.17003@bernina.ethz.ch>,
Marco Zollinger (hb9zz@bernina.ethz.ch) wrote:
> I just bought a licence for the MapleV symbolic math package for the
> Atari ST. It works very good and quite fast, but the problem is that
> there is no 3D plot possibility. My question is: Is there somebody of
> Waterloo University on the Net? Does somebody know if there are plans
> to devlop this feature?
I still have Maple 4.2 and am quite annoyed by the fact that it simply
uses Cconrs for keyboard input, no chance to edit and recover previous
inputs... does version 5 have a sensible line editor or something
like that?
--
See you,
\/\/olfram
Wolfram Roesler Augustastr. 44-46 W-5100 Aachen
(Usenet) wr@bara.oche.de (Mausnetz) AC2 (Voicenet) +49(0)241 534596
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Date: 2 Feb 92 16:26:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgra
in!qiclab!techbook!griffin@arizona.edu (Eric Starker)
Subject: Movie Madness
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the online game Movie
Madness? I've been looking all over for it. If you know a board that
runs it or has it in the file section, email it to me at the below
address. Thanks in advance!
--
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PDaXcess gives free access to news & mail. (503) 644-8135 - 1200/2400, N81
Public access users are <NOT> affiliated with TECHbooks. We don't endorse
what they say. But if they do something good, we want the credit. :-)
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Date: 30 Jan 92 17:33:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!yale.edu!heifetz!math.
fu-berlin.de!rusmv1!delos!tyrell.tynet.sub.org!marsu.tynet.sub.org!wenzel@arizo
na.edu (Markus Wenzel)
Subject: pcditto software on a TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1992Jan27.043129.2193@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, William Magro writes:
> Has anyone tried the PCDitto software emulator on a TT? If so, does
> it work or no? If it does work, I wonder if the speed would be good
> enough to make it actually useful, unlike its speed on a regular ST.
>
> Let me know if you know....
You must be joking. The TT is so different in its hardware and chipset
compared to an ordinary ST, that a soft emulator had to be totally
rewritten. If I started counting all applications which don't run on the
TT, I would never dare to try PC Ditto.
Ont the other hand, with the increase of performance (about five times) it
could be an interesting project for the developers of PC Ditto to make a
TT version, using its 68030/68882 features. Nevertheless, Fast RAM would
surely be _very_ problematic to supply for DOS usage.
My personal opinion is: I bought a TT because I hate BIM-compatibles with
their lousy OS, therefore I _never_ wanted to run DOS on my TT :-)
Regards, Markus.
--
* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart *
* /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /bin/ps -l TT admin on rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de *
* /irc/nick Marsu *
* /etc/motd >> Luck is believing you're lucky. << *
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Date: 2 Feb 92 03:03:34 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!chalmers.se!dtek.chalmers.se!d9fors@uunet.uu.net
(Patrick Forsberg)
Subject: Postscript on Atari's in general
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <bart.696867466@dutncp8> bart@dutncp8.tn.tudelft.nl (Bart Schipper)
writes:
>I wonder why why why you need an interceptor to convert Calamus
>output for 300dpi laserprinters to a postscript file, since the creators
>of Calamus provide drivers for every printer you can think of.
If you don't have a printer of your own but have access to one at school/work,
then it might be nice to be able to make your work at home and get it printed
at school/work.
/Patrick
--
Patrick Forsberg | EMAIL: d9fors@dtek.chalmers.se |
aka Mit,aka Ringo | d9fors@cd.chalmers.se |
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Date: 1 Feb 92 22:29:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@arizona
.edu (MarkLehmann)
Subject: Selling (older) Atari's
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1992Jan30.212531.17326@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rob@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rob
Cuthbertson) writes:
>Moral: Stop wasting the bandwidth. I know it seems that the free advertising
>space is a bargain, but I paid $19.50 and gained over $200. If I advertised
>this system for "$575/obo" on the net, I would get no response. In the paper,
>I got three calls the first day, and the buyer picked it up on the third.
I haven't heard any people who have sold their systems on this net complain.
The low prices encourage people to continue using the net even after they
purchase their machine.
MArk Lehmann
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Date: 2 Feb 92 01:01:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagr
o@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: SM124 Monitor Problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I observer this same phenomenon with my SM124. I am anything but a
hardware guru, but I offer the following explanation (and no fix).
The sm124 uses a flyback transformer which bootstraps off of the screen
current. In simpler terms, the flyback transformer needs to have some
return current from the screen in order to work correctly. When the screen
is almost black, as with a screen saver, this return current is significantly
diminished. This feeds back into the electronics and the electron gun reacts
by emitting less current, dimming the screen.
This is of course probably totally incorrect. Some electronics god, please
enlighten us.
--Bill
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Date: 1 Feb 92 22:48:30 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!rcarter@uunet.uu.net (Ron Carter)
Subject: STOS 3D
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Re: what STOS 3D is...
STOS 3D is an add-on package for STOS Basic; it allows you to make
wire-frame and solid objects and manipulate (animate, etc.) them...
--
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Director | Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence
Denver, CO | Knowledge is power. Knowledge to the people. Just say know.
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Date: 2 Feb 92 00:42:35 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!okes@uunet.uu.net (Oke S)
Subject: STOS 3D
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <53808@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
Path:
sersun1!uknet!mcsun!uunet!think.com!ames!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_R
etelle
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: 1 Feb 92 19:32:21 GMT
References: <17199@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1992Jan30.102023.5481@actrix.gen.nz>
<1992Jan31.153318.24159@doc.ic.ac.uk>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 9
I haven't read much about STOS 3D... can someone give a rundown
on its features...?
I'm particularly interested in the "3D" features.. are we talking
about "perspective" effects or true binocular vision effects..?
Thanks...
BobR
We are talking about an add-on for STOS which provides 3-D vector graphics
functions...
Simon.
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Date: 2 Feb 92 03:33:48 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!dinsmm@arizona.edu (Michael
John Dinsmore)
Subject: Tape cassette maker?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Greetings.
I know that there are programs to make disk labels
using the ST, but are there any for making cassettes?
I am not sure where in atari.archive.umich.edu to look.
Thanks!
___ ___
/ |\/ |\
/ |/ || Michael Dinsmore
/ /| /| || dinsmm@rpi.edu
/_/ |__/ |_|| Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
\_\/\__\/\_\| Computer and Systems Engineering
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Date: 31 Jan 92 09:58:30 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!yal
e.edu!heifetz!math.fu-berlin.de!rusmv1!delos!troja!stenny@arizona.edu (Stefan
Schober)
Subject: TEX printer problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
dh108@cs.city.ac.uk (KEATES M G) writes:
>My problem lies in the 24-pin printer driver. I have a b/w Star LC24-200
>and I use the Epson option in the driver, as suggested in the Star manual.
>Occasionally (randomly) in the output, lines get skewed. Does anyone else
>have this annoying problem? Is it due to the Epson emulation? Can I get a
>true Star driver, or is the problem simply due to the resolution of the
>output? (I highly doubt this, but thought I'd mention it.)
It's none of the above! This misbehaviour occurs due to an error in
the STAR-firmware. Try getting the latest version of the
firmware-ROMs from your favorite dealer, it might help.
stefan
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Dann ist die Sache fuer mich erledigt. (W. Bendo)
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Date: 2 Feb 92 06:26:23 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!hb.maus.de!Mick_Schmidt@uunet.uu.net (Mick
Schmidt)
Subject: Thomas Quester's e-mail addres
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
d>I need to get on touch with Thomas Quester (the author of AFX/PFX pak
d>and lharc on the ST). I registered for AFX/PFX and want to confirm he
d>got what I sent off.
d>
d>I have tried: the.fawn@mcshh.hanse.de
d> the.fawn@mcshh.hanse.de.uucp
d> T.Quester@mcshh.hanse.de
d> T.Quester@mcshh.hanse.de.uucp
Try
Thomas_Quester@hh2.maus.de (that one I know for sure)
or
thefawn@mcshh.hanse.de
G'Day Mick
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Germany | (UUCP) mick@informatik.uni-Bremen.de | (Hans
Tel. +49 421 63 52 70 | BITNET : G16M @ DHBRRZ41 | & Franz)
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 92 21:04:33 -0500
From: astre@halfog.asrc.albany.edu (A.S.T.R.E.)
Subject: Wanted - Planetfall for the ST
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Several years ago I got a copy of Stationfall for the ST, and I wanted to
play the prequel, Planetfall. Some questions:
1. Was it ever released for the ST? (this would help:) If so, has
anyone seen it available anywhere or are you willing to part
with your copy?
2. If it wasn't released for the ST, does anyone know if the data
files are compatable across platforms (i.e. - could I pick up
a PC or 8-bit copy and use its data file with the main program
from a ST-Infocom game?) ?
Thanks in advance...
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Jeff Vincent / ASTRE // ASTRE = Competition Rocketry //
// astre@halfog.asrc.albany.edu // Publisher of STAR-DATE //
//------------------------------------------------------------------//
// Gummi Bears! Gummi Bears!! They're chewing on my brain!!! //
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Date: 2 Feb 92 00:05:17 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wm
agro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: Zoo problems continue
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <9201292030.aa29694@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, ehohnbau@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
writes:
|>
|> I have this annoying problem with zoo. I have an old TOS (probably 1.0) and
|> therefore cannot use Zoo without a shell. Someone was kind enough to mail
My TOS is dated Nov1985. Zoo works just fine for me. Is your tos older than
that?
--Bill
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