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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 633
Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 3 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 633
Today's Topics:
ATARI GODS II
Atari ST DEAD ? (3 msgs)
atarist hardware to sell
Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
Breach II : anyone out there got it?
DBase III+ clones ?
Dungeon masster
Epson EX-1000 printer driver....
Hard Drive case/power supply needed
Quick ST 3.0 for $12
Scott Leslie?
Software FOR SALE!
Sound Tracker file formats
ToadFile 44 FOR SALE!
TT prices
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Date: 27 Nov 91 08:36:15 GMT
From: ccncsu!longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU!ws523669@purdue.edu (William Speiser)
Subject: ATARI GODS II
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Yes I'm back with more intolerable questons for the gods of atari users.
I have a now disease free 4Meg atatri 1040 STe no HDD (yet).
1. I can't get the Dark Side of the Spoon demo posted at atari archive
to work. The please wait and the reset screen work fine but the in the
title screen and main demo the screen flickers badly and is pretty jumbled.
I've tried all combinations of blitter on/off and screen 50/60Hz but
nothing seems to work but maybe I just don't know how to do this
properly. Anyone who has gotten this to work please advise me on what
EXACTLY to do.
2. I would like to concatinate (glue together) two text files but I
can't find any programs that will do that. I have riffled though just
about every program at atari archive and I can't find what I'm looking
for. If you know of any programs or text editors that will do this
please let me know which program it is and give me tips on using it.
3. I work quite a bit on digital dec stations and I have gotten quit
used to the Middle button=> select and drag and left button=> execute.
Does anyone know of any programs that will reconfigure the atari mouse
button to Left click = double click and right click = select or click
and drag. Maybe I just need a finger work out but I can click 6 or 8
times without clicking fast enough to execute an application.
4. I'm looking for a PC emulator that will emmulate from a HDD as much
software as possible including vga graphics on a grayscale monitor. I
was thinking about getting Turbo but I raelly don't know what the
differences in the emulators are. It would be most helpful if anyone
could elaborate.
Thanks for any fractions of your infinite knowledge which you chose to
bestow upon my pitiful being.
Lord William
The (not very bright) overlord of the
southern reamls.
T.Y.O.D. 2691
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Date: 3 Dec 91 01:44:44 GMT
From: ogicse!milton!england@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Miller)
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Dec2.150040.15424@cs.mcgill.ca> bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick BETREMIEUX) writes:
>In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>>
>>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>>
>>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>> > Door Wedges
>> > Sleeping Policemen
>> > Toilet Paper Holders
>> > A 512K Printer Buffer
>> > A Dust Absorber
>> > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>> > A Sign Of Poverty
>> > A Tax Dodger
>>
>>p.s.
>>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ?
>>A > The midi ports !!!
>>
>>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all
>>jokes.
>
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
>Subject: Re: Atari ST DEAD ?
>Summary:
>Expires:
>References: <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk>
>Sender:
>Followup-To:
>Distribution:
>Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
>Keywords:
>
>In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>>
>>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>>
>>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>> > Door Wedges
>> > Sleeping Policemen
>> > Toilet Paper Holders
>> > A 512K Printer Buffer
>> > A Dust Absorber
>> > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>> > A Sign Of Poverty
>> > A Tax Dodger
>>
>>p.s.
>>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ?
>>A > The midi ports !!!
>>
>>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all
>>jokes.
>
> Well I'm sorry!!!!
>
> If you hate the atari ST so much, why the hell do you post things on OUR
> newsgroup!!! You should not even be bothering about it!!! I'll be quite
> frank with you : Get lost!!! Why don't you go bug someone else with your
> presence (Like an Amiga group since you LOVE them so much :-)
>
> No, really! If you, or any other, don't like tha atari, it's your right,
> but keep it to yourself, or at least DON'T POST IT HERE.
know how to reply puposely deleted).
At least the dude who hates the ST so much probably knows how to reply to
a message properly!
_______________________________________________________________________________
__
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, ///
briefed, debriefed, or numbered. __ /// Only Amiga makes
\\\/// it possible.....
My life is my own. \XX/
_______________________________________________________________________________
england@u.washington.edu
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Date: 3 Dec 91 20:13:09 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!fang!dstos3.dsto.oz.au!rws@arizona.edu
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <u894776.691333772@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>
> In what way do the chips get in the way. If you are using an amiga
> for these simple things then the custom wont be stealing cycles. The only
> thing i can imagine you are thinking of is the fact that the amigas architecture
> means that the 68000 can only do memory access on even cycles - stretching
> very few instructions by one cycle.
>
> The advantage the st has is 8MHz vs 7.1509MHz, along with a lot
> simpler operating system and easier integration into a pc world (your dos
> format disks).
..and you can plug a cheap 640*400 mono monitor into the standard box and use
it for workable DTP. (look, no flicker.)
Russell.
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Date: 3 Dec 91 07:13:58 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!milton!hardy!tlk@arizona.edu (Jeremy C. Norberg)
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Dec3.141309.163706@dstos3.dsto.oz.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.oz.au writes:
>
>..and you can plug a cheap 640*400 mono monitor into the standard box and use
>it for workable DTP. (look, no flicker.)
>
>Russell.
Aye, this is true, BUT if the ST had interlace mode, I have a feeling that
you would be one that would brag about your 'computer' being able to display
high res on a low res monitor!
I suppose you do feel most at home on a monochrome ST. Hey! That's only TWO
colors LESS than your lame medium resolution is able to display!
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Date: 3 Dec 91 05:32:33 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!toumon!wsdnws!ytsuji@arizona.edu (Y.Tsuji)
Subject: atarist hardware to sell
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I found the following from my junk heap:
SEAGATE ST-238R 5" hard drive (taken off from my Megafile30 a year ago,
if you want suitable connectors I can supply them so that you can use
this as your second drive. I actually sold off my Megafile30 with a 66 MB
drive inside).
SONY 3"1/2 floppy drive (taken off when I upgraded my MegaST4 to have
a 1.44 MB drive)
Matsushita J11-257-041 3"1/2 1.44MB/720K floppy drive. This hasn't got
the HD-hole sensor! I will give this away if you pay the shipping cost.
5"1/4 external drive plus PC-dittoII. (For UK only)
Any reasonable offer will be considered.
Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji
ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
P.S.
I have been saddened to hear Signa Publishing Ltd has been out of business
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Date: 3 Dec 91 06:41:26 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Juxtaposer)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov30.113242.7862@ugle.unit.no> stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland) writes:
>
>I suggest you take a look in a Motorola 68030 manual and read a little about
>this. As every other manufactorer, Atari have to follow certain rules set by
>Motorola if they want their 68030 based computer to work at all. The TT have
>a asynchronous bus, which is not clocked with either a 16MHz or a 32MHz clock.
>Repeat after me: The 68030 _does not have_ a clocked bus.
>
>|> >The 68030 in the TT are reading from
>|> >TT-Fastram in the burst-modus, which is as fast as it can be.
>
>If you find this hard to belive, I suggest you send your letters to Motorola
>and ask them for more information on the MC68030.
>
I understand that the TT has an asynchronus bus, but what is the
maximum rate for memory read/write? So if you wrote some assemly that just
wrote one word sequentially from memory into a register, how many words should
you be able to access/s - and is it strictly dependent on the memory speed, or
is there a minimum number of wait-states (ie, would using 20ns memory be faster
or the same as using 70ns memory...)? BTW, if the bus is "clocked" at 16MHz,
should you go through 8 million words (Memory read is 2 clock cycles, right -
one for instruction fetch, one for memory loading)? Or will it be skewed by
the instruction cache in the '030? Maybe it will average 1.5 cycles?
Oops, forgot about wait-states.... oh well, anyone care to take a stab at it?
Just my $.002 worth...
>Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no
-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
Summary:
Expires:
References: <1991Nov28.114715.5915@ugle.unit.no> <691425042.2801@minster.york.ac.uk> <1991Nov30.113242.7862@ugle.unit.no>
Sender:
Followup-To:
Distribution: World
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Keywords:
In article <1991Nov30.113242.7862@ugle.unit.no> stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland) writes:
>
>I suggest you take a look in a Motorola 68030 manual and read a little about
>this. As every other manufactorer, Atari have to follow certain rules set by
>Motorola if they want their 68030 based computer to work at all. The TT have
>a asynchronous bus, which is not clocked with either a 16MHz or a 32MHz clock.
>Repeat after me: The 68030 _does not have_ a clocked bus.
>
>|> >The 68030 in the TT are reading from
>|> >TT-Fastram in the burst-modus, which is as fast as it can be.
>
>If you find this hard to belive, I suggest you send your letters to Motorola
>and ask them for more information on the MC68030.
>
I understand that the TT has an asynchronus bus, but what is the
maximum rate for memory read/write? So if you wrote some assemly that just
wrote one word from memory sequentially into a register, how many words should
you be able to access/s - and is it strictly dependent on the memory speed, or
is there a minimum number of wait-states (ie, would using 20ns memory be faster
or the same as using 70ns memory...)? If you can write to memory faster than
16MHz (ie 16million words/s) then I think that the discussion of the TT's bus
will be resolved.
Just my $.002 worth...
>Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no
-Mike
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Date: 2 Dec 91 10:06:00 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!mucs!p4.cs.man.ac.uk!oshaughj@uunet.uu.net (Jamie O'Shaughnessy)
Subject: Breach II : anyone out there got it?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Anyone out there with Breach II want to swap some scenarios? (or RofE)
See ya,
Jamie
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Date: 3 Dec 91 02:39:05 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fischer-michael@arizona.edu (Michael Fischer)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Nov30.163140.29205@donau.et.tudelft.nl> kemna@dutecai.et.tudelft.nl (;Leon Kemna) writes:
>YES. A package called dBMan. I don't know what the currecnt version is.
>
I got a notice from VersaSoft today announcing the release of version
5.3.
--
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| Michael Fischer <fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu> |
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Date: 3 Dec 91 02:07:06 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!liszt.helios.nd.edu!dmatiske@arizona.edu (david matiskella)
Subject: Dungeon masster
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Okay I know I am a bit behind the times but I need help with the orginal Dungeon Master. If anyone could point out a ftp site where I could get the maps to the game and maybe a hint file it would be much appreciated.
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Date: 3 Dec 91 06:56:34 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Juxtaposer)
Subject: Epson EX-1000 printer driver....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
I just "inherited" an Epson EX-1000 - unfortunately, it didn't come
with a manual. Does anyone have a 1ST-Word printer driver that they could
e-mail me? Perhaps a list of what SW1&2 do?
Thanks a Million!
-Mike
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Date: 3 Dec 91 00:33:39 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!news.cs.brandeis.edu!chaos.cs.brandeis.edu!acleasby@arizona.edu (Andrew Cleasby)
Subject: Hard Drive case/power supply needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
As the title says, I'm looking to buy a Hard Drive case with a power
supply. It need only hold one drive. (A full height case would be
best though).
As for the price...reasonable (read: cheap). E-Mail me with offers.
===============================================================================
Andrew Cleasby (__) "Pie's never free."
acleasby@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (@@) -SNL
st890550@pip.cc.brandeis.edu \/ Moo. cleasby@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
===============================================================================
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Date: 2 Dec 91 22:18:58 GMT
From: microsoft!darekm@uunet.uu.net (Darek MIHOCKA)
Subject: Quick ST 3.0 for $12
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have some important news about Quick ST. But first...
In article <1991Nov26.173017.4037@syma.sussex.ac.uk> grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham Thomas) writes:
>> In article <1991Nov19.223453.30@microsoft.com> darekm@microsoft.com (Darek MIHOCKA) writes:
>>>In article <1991Nov18.121040.11899@cs.ruu.nl> jjevissc@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Visscher) writes:
>>>>Is there somebody out there who is willing to
>>>>send me a copy of Quick-ST 2 or 3. I am using
>>>>version 1.6 but this one is not bug-free I
>>>>believe.
>>>>
>>>> Jeroen Visscher
>>>
>
Jeroen was in fact pirating the software. I received email from him saying
that he had no intention to purchase the product. If that's not piracy, I
don't know what is. Also, I cannot believe any claim of ignorance regarding
the status of Quick ST. If someone knows that Quick ST 3.0 exists, then I
find it hard to believe that that same person has no idead that Quick ST
became a commercial product more than two years ago.
>Also, I doubt *very much* that anyone in the Netherlands could obtain
>Quick ST 3 for $12. Prices tend to skyrocket once software crosses the
>Atlantic (and this assumes there are any dealers willing to stock it in
>that country).
>
Of course, part of the problem is that when I do try to post messages to
the net giving any news of Quick ST upgrades, prices, availability, etc,
I am bombarded from all sides by a bunch of net users saying that I can't
post such material to the net because it is considered as advertising.
So for example, when I say that Quick ST 3.0 is available for $12, directly
from Branch Always Software even, I can't post details. So all I can say is
that it can be purchased for $12, and if you want to know how, you have to
read a Quick ST ad in some ST magazine. It is a limited time offer.
>Darek seemed quite friendly before he moved to Microsoft. I guess
>that's what working for a multi-million dollar corporation does for you
>(with apologies to any friendly people at Microsoft!)
I'm still a friendly guy. I had fun chatting with everyone at the past few
shows. I just can't stand people that make no sense. I am a developer, not a
PR person, so I just can't handle dealing with some of the stuff people say.
That is one of the reasons why I now have a full time person answering my
phone and taking orders and answering questions. As a side effect, orders
are now actually processed and shipped out the same day you call, if you
call before 5pm. So if you call to order Quick ST on say, a Monday, you will
receive it by Thursday or Friday.
Ok, the important news...
I assume that it is safe to announce that Quick ST 3 is now FSM GDOS
compatible. Again, for details, see an ad about how to obtain it, because
the net police prevents me from saying it here.
Again, I'm not allowed to give details of some exciting news regarding Quick ST
that is sure to make all speed freak Atari users, and even net users, happy.
Faster speed, lower price, better compatibility? Sorry, can't say. All I can
say is that the changes being made to Quick ST right now will make it a more
attractive product for everyone. So keep checking those magazine ads.
It really makes no sense to me why a developer would choose to use the net.
After all, any discussion of his product is considered an advertisement. So
from now on, if you need to ask a question send snail mail to the address
below and I will answer it offline.
Please don't send email! Half the time the mail bounces back.
- Darek
--
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Darek Mihocka. Quick ST 3 for the ST/TT. All views expressed are my own.
Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007
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Date: 3 Dec 91 03:31:15 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!an172@arizona.edu (Marc A. Lombardo)
Subject: Scott Leslie?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Scott, I need to talk to you asap, but I don't have your email address,
and I don't know if you are even going to be on this board anymore.
Please respond asap.
--
Marc A. Lombardo User Address: an172
/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\
Compuserve: >INTERNET: an172@cleveland.freenet.edu
Internet/BitNET: an172@cleveland.freenet.edu Atari ST,MIDI,Music
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Date: 3 Dec 91 05:10:35 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!att!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!mpl44572@arizona.edu (Ender)
Subject: Software FOR SALE!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
StarFlight - $10
Bard's Tale - $5
Falcon - $10
Flight Simulator II - $10
BattleHawks 1942- $15
Balance of Power - $10
Include original boxes, disks and manual and good condition.
Laser C and Laser DB- $35 does not include original box, however the manual
is rebounded in a spiral.
WERCS (.RSC Editor) - $20
(there will be an additional s/h charge depending on how many items)
Mark
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Date: 3 Dec 91 16:32:12 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bruce!csv.viccol.edu.au!gjocc@arizona.edu
Subject: Sound Tracker file formats
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I recently downloaded some .MOD sound tracker or noise tracker files from
the atari archive. They wouldn't work with the TCB tracker program I was using
so I down loaded the audio.lzh program which works.
This prompts the following question, how many different .MOD, .SPL and .SNG
formats are in use for Atari and Amiga tracker type programs?
Does any documentation exist on the formats of these files?
I have an old AKAI S700 12bit sampler and I would like to write a program to
convert the samples in the .MOD files to AKAI sample dumps, and convert the
song data to MIDI file format for playback with MIDI sequencing software.
Greg O'Sullivan
(gjocc@viccol.edu.au)
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Date: 3 Dec 91 05:15:21 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!mpl44572@arizona.edu (Ender)
Subject: ToadFile 44 FOR SALE!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A one year old Toadfile 44 (power switch on back), ICD host adapter.
$500 or best offer. Works perfectlty. Last price I've seen for a Toadfile
was $700. (I paid $850 for it)
Mark
(The Toadfile 44 is a removable cartridge harddrive)
Mark
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Date: 3 Dec 91 02:03:57 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard Covert)
Subject: TT prices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <91336.143630ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET> ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET writes:
>In article <9970@cactus.org>, covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) says:
>>&suff deleteda
>
>According to Atari Germany, a fully equipped TT (16 M Fast RAM, 340 MB
>Harddisk, 19" monochrome monitor) will be available for less than 10000 DM
>(translate : $5000).
>Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
>____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
Well, Julian it sounds like you live in Germany, so I guess you
would know more about what happens there then me. But I do know that
many Atari products are sold in Germany which NEVER make it to the
USA. So, just because the ASV is sold for about $5,000 USA$ in Germany
does NOT mean that it will even be sold here in the USA.
Want more examples?
What about the mytical Atari CD ROM drives. Years ago Atari Corp promised
a USA CD ROM drive. Which never happened. Just this year Atari Corp
promised a SCSI-based CD ROM drive for the Mega STe/TT machine. But
now Atari has dropped that as well.
And what about the new TOS 2.06? Germany says it will be sold, but
Atari Corp USA says "Not Now".
So, my point is that you can't trust Atari Corp, especially for a
$5,000 + computer!!
.
.
.
.
.
--
Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org
CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
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