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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 11 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 385
Today's Topics:
acopy
Amiga is better then [sic] what???
another st atricle bytes
APPLE + IBM Agreement (2 msgs)
atari amiga inc.
Color monitor died
Double Click programs
lynx games
PageStream VS Calmus
PD BBS software for Atari-ST.
software QDOS emulators on the ST?
stacy mhz?
What's the best database f
Xcontrol & MOUSE Accel (3 msgs)
Zoo 2.1 - first impressions
Zoo 2.1 - second impressions (2 msgs)
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:36:23 GMT
From:
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ps!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu
(Chuck Schul)
Subject: acopy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
anybody know where i can get the docs for it?
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Date: 10 Jul 91 14:05:24 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@arizona.edu
(Chris Mauritz)
Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <679032652.0@therip.FidoNet> Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (Rod
Fulk) writes:
>No, you misread my post..
>Most programs on the ST are powerful enough that they do not need to use
>multi tasking to get other features...
>Sure the St has very well running TSR's which is the main type of programmost
>amiga people do multi task with day to day...
>With the inclusion of Desk accessories I can add specioalized functions if the
>program doesnt already have them...
>I can download in the back ground or upload.. I can run a bbs in the
>background too.. (Citadel via one of many multi tasking kernals)
>The beef is the ST doesnt really NEED multi tasking...
>The current features really make multi tasking pretty worthless for most
>functions.
>However if you ever want to use a computer as a multi user system well then
>niether the ST or the Amiga will work well as is..
I agree that it is possible to force the ST to multitask by using third
party software, though I have yet to see any of these systems multitask
gracefully, with the exception of Beckemeyer's shell. The trouble is
that since all of these solutions are basically third party hacks, there
is no standard and therefore only a handful of ST programs are written
to take advantage of them. With the Amiga, and any other "turn key"
multitasking system for that matter, the multitasking is built right into
the OS. This way, all developers know about and can take advantage of
multitasking in all programs if they wish. Also, with the ST you have
to buy a lot of third party stuff to get this type of multitasking
ability whereas machines that were designed to multitask already do it
without any additional investment on your part.
Is multitasking a good thing to have? You bet! I never realized what
I was missing with my ST until I started using Multifinder (though this
isn't true multitasking) and later a Sparcstation. After using a
multitasking machine for a while, you will wonder how you ever got along
without it.
Cheers,
Chris
--
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Chris Mauritz |People are strange
ritz@msb.com |when you're a stranger.
Copyright (C) 1991 |The Doors-
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:36:17 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbe
ll.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck
Schul)
Subject: another st atricle bytes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
in california there is a newsmagazine for all computers called microtimes
they dropped atari coverage with no explanantion june 1991,another n
magazoine dumping us!!!
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Date: 11 Jul 91 12:04:09 GMT
From: ncrcom!ncrcam!mreiss@uunet.uu.net (mreiss)
Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul9.112242.31968@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
writes:
>Just to get some discussion going: What do you all think will be the
>effect on Atari of the recent agreement between Apple and IBM? It seems to me
>that it could be deadly.
>
>Steve Shawl
About the same as the Next - IBM agreement. Nothing.
Just seems to me that IBM wants to LOOK at what everyone else is doing, but
I have yet to see anthing come out of it. The last thing that I remember
coming out of one of these agreements is OS/2. 'Nuff said.
mike
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| mike
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:36:17 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-o
dyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul)
Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In-Reply-To: message from shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
it is the best thing to happen ever!ibm running apple o/s ,apple using
advanced ibm technology!next year should be interesting now suddenly
nothing else compares!the end of windows is near!!!and now we can have the
power to be our best!(maybe specture will even run system 7 one day!!!
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Date: 11 Jul 91 11:16:20 GMT
From:
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yssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul)
Subject: atari amiga inc.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
apple and ibm,soon atari and commodore will see eye to eye,cdtv a step
forward what a concept!@
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1991 06:23-0500
From: poehland%phvax.dnet@smithkline.com
Subject: Color monitor died
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
[This message has been redirected:
"atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu"%INET.dnet@smithkline.com has been removed;
Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu has been added.]
In response to Bill D'Augustines's request for info on dead SC1224 <INFO-Atari16
v91 #384 11 July 1991>, a monitor that blows fuses usually has 2 places where
you should look first.
The first place is the horizontal output transistor feeding the flyback. I
don't have schematics, you'll have to locate it yourself. It is typically a
TO-3, TO-66, or TO-220 device mounted on a hefty heatsink. This is a weak link
in any video product; look for a collector-to-emitter short. You can check it
with a cheap transistor tester from Radio Shack. Or simply, remove the unit
from the board & power up the monitor: if it doesn't blow the fuse, you are
*reasonably* certain that's it. If the monitor will power up without the HO
transistor installed, check the power supply voltage (+12V usually, it might be
different in the SC1224). If you get a good measurement, you're home free,
almost.
The second thing to check is the supply regulator(s), but that's tricky because
if a short somewhere else is loading down the supply it could cause the regula-
tor to shut down & appear defective even if it's OK. The only way to tell ,for
sure is to replace any/all regulators. If the unit still won't power up, you
gotta find a shop! Without diagrams & a bench full of test gear, there ain't
much more you can do.
Even if you do locate a defective part, getting a replacement is a very iffy
proposition. TV repair shops or "jobber" parts suppliers to the TV repair
industry in your local area are the best sources for the casual repairman. But
in general, it's an uphill battle.
BEN POEHLAND
8-BIT EDITOR, CURRENT NOTES
GEnie: B.POEHLAND
INET::"POEHLAND%PHVAX.DNET@SMITHKLINE.COM"
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Date: 11 Jul 91 13:24:06 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!uace0@arizona.edu
(Michael B. Vederman)
Subject: Double Click programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A0b8cwr2@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>In <1991Jul10.205242.22251@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, Claus Brod writes:
>
> ...folowup to request for 8x8 font installer.
>>
>>Yes, of course. By using GEMINI 8-)
>>
>
> I'd like to see a DC program that allows the same keyboard window
>handling that Gemini uses work with applications. Control D to close
>control W to rotate through, etc. If you can do DC Topper, then this
>should be possible.
> Does DC Topper work with Gemini yet?
>
>--
> John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
> MIND over MIDI Productions or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
> Vancouver,B.C
>
Hi John!
Let me first say that we are very glad to be getting the great feedback on the
net to our programs! Please, everyone keep it coming.
8x8 font installer - Several programs exist on the market to replace the fonts
used, including one on the CodeHead's Utils disk called FontTrix. I know
several PD ones are available where you can choose the font you want. Is the
idea to also get double the listing in windows, or do you just want to replace
the font. The former would be tricky, the latter easy.
As for keyboard handling of windows, just keep an eye out, it is already being
worked on. Personally, I've only booted Gemini to look at it, so I'm not
familiar with its keyboard operations, but I know what you are talking about.
Version 1.2 of DC Topper does indeed work very well with Gemini and NeoDesk and
within programs. V1.2 does not generate button clicks, so it will not 'click'
a dialog box, file selector, menu entry, etc. by accident when you go over an
inactive window.
Please, keep the ideas rolling!
- mike vederman
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Date: 11 Jul 91 11:16:16 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrin
de!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul)
Subject: lynx games
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
where are the 30 odd new games promissed they are slow to show up!!!
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Date: 11 Jul 91 02:03:28 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
itt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling)
Subject: PageStream VS Calmus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
carter@engr.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) writes:
> Look, when you buy from Atari, you GET what you pay for. Like it
> or lump it.
> [...]
> The ONLY good use for an ATARI Machine is GAMES and MAC Software
> Emulation
>
> PERIOD.
and later:
> GEM isn't even a viable App platform environment anymore, for christ
> sakes, come to your senses and yell for a real operating system
> like UNIX and MOTIF/X Windows.
>
>GEM is a DOG with RABIES that should have been SHOT a long TIME AGO.
and later on, the insightful and gramatically brilliant:
> Calamus?
>
> PageStream?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
>
> Your joking right?
Greg, on behalf of c.s.a.st readers, I'd like to thank you for your
participation in this newsgroup. I don't know what we'd do without
you; we'd probably have to settle for constructive criticism,
intelligent input, and quality grammar. Thanks again for granting us
an alternative to such horrors.
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
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Date: 10 Jul 91 21:03:43 GMT
From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!frmug!elrond@uunet.uu.net (Bertrand Petit)
Subject: PD BBS software for Atari-ST.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am seeking for a public domain or freeware BBS software for the
Atari-ST. I can't afford shareware because i have bought QuickBBS ST and
dropded it last week. This program is a shame: full of bugs. I nearly must
reboot the computer between each calls. So i need a little BBS software to
keep the link while i'm writing my own server. Thanks.
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| Bertrand Petit | Signature is under construction |
| alias | |
| >Elrond le demi-Elfe< | Be sure to wear your helmet |
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Date: 11 Jul 91 13:16:13 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.edu
Subject: software QDOS emulators on the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <9107110822.AA25880@ucbvax.berkeley.edu>,
ford@tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk says:
>
>From what I've heard, the only ST QL emulator so far (unless Tony Tebby's
>managed to get his QDOS compatable OS on the market) is the hardware/software
>emulator from some german company, and I don't even know if that exists any
>more. (The last QL World I got was March last year).
>
>I hope that helps. Sorry I couldn't help you further (us QL owners have to
>stick together).
>
>Stephen Usher
>
>Addresses:-
>
>Janet:- ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl or ford@uk.ac.ed.cs.tardis
>Internet:- ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk or ford@tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk
I spoke with these people last week. They are still in business. I have
address and phone number at home...
___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:36:24 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!
pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul)
Subject: stacy mhz?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
what speed does the stacy run at 16?i ask cause i read the mac portable
uses cmos 68000 running at 16 mhz with static ram to handle the
speed.curiuos where we stand at compared to it
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:30:01 GMT
From: mcsun!sequent!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf)
Subject: What's the best database f
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <45772@bn.maus.de>, Klaus_Guhr@bn.maus.de (Klaus Guhr) writes:
>
>
> Tt>By the way, I believe it was written by the Adimens programming team.
>
> Yes, it's true. The authors are Dieter and Juergen Geiss.
>
>
> cu Klaus
Let me make a little correction:
D. & J. Geiss -as told to me by an ADI developer- did the migration
from Adimens V1.6 to Adimens V2.1, they added a GEM Surface (and
debugged the rest...). Having finished their studies they left ADI Karlsruhe
to join BASF Ludwigshafen. Now they work as they told me on Atari Messe
last year with GUI on several machines (Mac, VAX, Atari I don't know...).
Packing all experiences they made with Adimens (including it's disadvantages)
they developped PHOENIX database: Believe me - this beast is
REALLY T R E M E N D O U S !!!
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Date: 11 JUL 91 09:27:26 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: Xcontrol & MOUSE Accel
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Bob Malay writes:
"I just got XCONTROL from a.a and tried out all the setups on my 1040STe.
When I click on the Accelerator setup button, the disks whirrs, reads in the
CPX file, and then I get a dialog box the tells me that I need to run the
mouse accelerator program first. Where is this program? Is it PD?"
This should be an easy file to locate. It is named, MACCEL3.PRG
and was mentioned in the docs that accompanied XCONTROL. There should
be documentation. Highly recommended reading.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 11 Jul 91 12:52:03 GMT
From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@decwrl.dec.com (Roger
Sheppard)
Subject: XCONTROL & Mouse Accel
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul10.141741.14032@sae.com> malay@sae.com (Bob Malay) writes:
>
> Hi,
> I just got XCONTROL from a.a and tried out all the setups on my 1040STe.
> When I click on the Accelerator setup button, the disks whirrs, reads in the
> CPX file, and then I get a dialog box the tells me that I need to run the
> mouse accelerator program first. Where is this program? Is it PD?
>
> Bob Malay
>
I think they are refering to Ataries mouse utill 3, don't have
the correct file name as I trash it, because it was causing a few
problem with some programs, Dcshow 1.1 was getting damaged,
so I use another mouse utill, I have seen other comments about this
program being buggy..
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*** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not ***
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:49:48 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!cs.yale.ed
u!fischer-michael@arizona.edu (Michael Fischer)
Subject: XCONTROL & Mouse Accel
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul11.125203.20083@actrix.gen.nz>
Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes:
>
>I think they are refering to Ataries mouse utill 3, don't have
>the correct file name as I trash it, because it was causing a few
>problem with some programs, Dcshow 1.1 was getting damaged,
>so I use another mouse utill, I have seen other comments about this
>program being buggy..
Presumably you are referring to "maccel3.prg". I have been using it
but still got the message from xcontrol that it wasn't installed. I
changed my boot sequence so that "maccel3.prg" is the LAST thing
loaded from the auto folder and now everything seems to work fine. I
don't know which program in my boot sequence was causing the problem.
Does xcontrol locate maccel3 using the cookie jar, or does it use some
other hack?
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| Michael Fischer <fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu> |
==================================================
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Date: 11 Jul 91 10:09:09 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!fuug!nntp.hut.fi!nntp!Petri.Wessman@uunet.uu.net
(Petri Wessman)
Subject: Zoo 2.1 - first impressions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
On 11 Jul 91 07:22:48 GMT, klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
said:
Rainer> The ST version lets you do something like 'zoo a// archive.zoo
Rainer> *'. The '//' in conjunction with the 'a' adds not only simple
Rainer> files but also directory trees to the archive. I would like to
Rainer> see that as a general feature in zoo.
Hear hear! I would love to be able to say 'zoo [magicoption] dir_name'
and have the whole directory structure archived, like tar. Using find
and the zoo 'I' option is clumsy.
Wish #2 (related to above): a Unix-specific option to also archive
directories (also empty ones!) and (hard/symbolic) links would be a
big plus. For now, if you want an exact copy of a directory structure
you have to use tar. Unpacking these on non-Unix platforms could be
done by automatically dereferencing the links while unpacking.
__________________________________________________________________________
P e t r i W e s s m a n Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
- You don't exist. Go away. - Petri.Wessman@hut.fi
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Date: 11 Jul 91 08:52:01 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Zoo 2.1 - second impressions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
One more note on the compression rate: When I archived the zoo 2.1 sources
with tar I got the file
zoo-2.1.tar (647168 bytes)
After compress:
zoo-2.1.tar.Z (245339 bytes)
Then I packed everything into a zoo archive:
zoo-2.1.zoo (208253 bytes)
Nice, isn't it?
And one more flaw: Unfortunately the old time zone bug is in zoo 2.1 again!
What happens is as follows:
I want to archive a file 'file' (note date and time):
-rw------- 1 klute irb 4672 Jul 11 10:44 file
Then I run zoo to archive the file:
zoo ah archive.zoo file
Looking at the archive contents (note date and time):
zoo l archive.zoo
Archive archive.zoo:
Length CF Size Now Date Time
-------- --- -------- --------- --------
4672 63% 1744 11 Jul 91 10:44:46+64 file
-------- --- -------- --------- --------
4672 63% 1744 1 file
After extraction
zoo xOS archive.zoo
my file has a date and time somewhere in the future:
-rw------- 1 klute irb 4672 Jul 13 1991 file
My time zone is Middle European Time (MET) which is one resp. two hours
ahead of GMT.
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Date: 11 Jul 91 13:51:42 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.buffal
o.edu@arizona.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Subject: Zoo 2.1 - second impressions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
/* klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) wrote */:
* One more note on the compression rate: When I archived the zoo 2.1 sources
* with tar I got the file
* zoo-2.1.tar (647168 bytes)
* After compress:
* zoo-2.1.tar.Z (245339 bytes)
* Then I packed everything into a zoo archive:
* zoo-2.1.zoo (208253 bytes)
* Nice, isn't it?
However my result is different. I compiled for sysv and I used
/tmp: zoo a zoosrc.zoo /tmp/xf/* to zoo the files and I used
/tmp: tar -cvf zoosrc.tar /tmp/xf/* and compress zoosrc.tar to make
zoosrc.tar.Z.
ls -ls zoosrc.tar.Z
248 -rw-r--r-- 1 xiaofei 245749 Jul 11 09:40 zoosrc.tar.Z
ls -ls zoosrc.zoo
288 -rw-r--r-- 1 xiaofei 286540 May 13 1939 zoosrc.zoo
Can someone tell me why?
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