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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 352
Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 25 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 352
Today's Topics:
1.44 HD drives
Atari-to-Amiga Convert Info Source! (4 msgs)
Atari.Commodore.Stereo.Prices!?
Emulation
Hard-Disk Construction Summary Request
Hard Disks
Ian Lepore: e-mail address ?
If you ignore Tom Hill, he will go away...
New Life for Old Megas
newsletter
PC-Speed with Modem problem
Printing Postscript files on a laserwriter III printer
PS-Viewer available
Purchase of Software from the UK.
Source code for TeX version 3.1 for ST?
sunmoon.lzh
This week's program (2 msgs)
Thomas Quester, where are you?
Unix(tm) Windows
What archiving format?
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Date: 25 Jun 91 12:28:34 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: 1.44 HD drives
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A friend of mine had an adress to a german company that sells 16 MHz
1772's (they are the same as the standard 8 Mhz, but is checked and
guaranteed by Western Digital to manage 16 MHz). Interessted ?
Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________
Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: 25 Jun 91 10:35:33 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!tuda!n143u@uunet.uu.net (Julian Coleman)
Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
--
-- Julian Coleman < J.D.Coleman@newcastle.ac.uk >
-- Department of Surveying, University of Newcastle upon Tyne
-- Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, England. < +44 91 222 6739 >
-- #include <std_disclaimer.h>
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Date: 25 Jun 91 15:20:49 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
|>
|> And *you* don't have to wait 6 years to find it, like I did.
|> --
|> Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
|> 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
You could go out and buy a Sun 3/50 - the used ones are running around $600-$700
range!
Bob Malay
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Date: 25 Jun 91 17:33:13 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!csn!boulder!h
orton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun24.222634.30979@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
es1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
> The first point you make isn't a computer war, but a chip
>war. The 040 is faster than the 486 at the same clock speed,
I am trying to avoid any kind of war, this comp.sys.atari.st news is
not for these types of postings. SOOOO after this posting please
send all responses to the posting to me and not post it here.
>(except under MS-DOS), but it is still close. The 040 25MHz does
>appr. 18-22 MIPS depending on who you believe (I know how
>meaningless that is, but we are talking all CISC chips, not RISC,
>so isn't a terrible statistic). I believe the 486 is about 12.
MFLOPS is a better measure than MIPS, the 68040 25 does about 3.5 MFLOPS,
the i486-25 with Weitek 4167 does 10+ MFLOPS and the ranges of MIPS for
the 486-25 is from 11 to 15 MIPS.
> As to flicker, the A3000 comes with a flicker-fixer built
>in. Commodore sells a board for just over $200 which will
>deinterlace output on all 2000 machines. Both use standard IBM
>VGA ports. There is a 3rd party deinterlacer for the 500 as well.
I know the A3000 is a non flicker machine, but machines upto it isn't
without the flicker fixer. I use to be an AMIGA crazy person so
I know the kind of things that AMIGA can do, but it is not that great
it pushed me back to using the ST.
REMEMBER PLEASE RESPOND THIS POSTING BY MAIL.
TO THE PEOPLE ON THIS NEWS, SORRY.
chuj@horton.colorado.edu
Jeff
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Date: 24 Jun 91 15:14:38 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling)
Subject: Atari-to-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>In article <BR4Z41w164w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes:
>ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
>
>>> On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever.
>>
>>Bzzzt! Commodore just posted its worst figures in 4 years.
>>
> I had NO intention of getting into this thread. I thought
>I'd read it for the humor content. BUT, you are totally wrong,
>and that shouldn't stand.
Hmmm...Ethan, you're not the only person who didn't get the joke here. Put
the statement back in its original context and read it again. Sorry so
esoteric...
/l
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
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Date: 25 Jun 91 11:13:46 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ariel.unm.e
du!triton.unm.edu!bluefire@arizona.edu (-=-Marc Bluefire-=-)
Subject: Atari.Commodore.Stereo.Prices!?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm just curious as to how much YOU think these items are worth...
Please e-mail me and let me know how much you'd pay for any of
the following:
Atari 130XE
Atari 1050 disk drive
Atari SX212 modem (1200 baud)
Okidata Okimate 10 (color printer) w/ Commodore or Atari interface
Commodore 128 (w/ RS232 interface)
C= 1571 drive
Magnavox RGB display 80
Sony XR500 car stereo (tape/AM/FM)
Sherwood Graphic Equalizer Xq-1101
(with digital bands, surround sound, programmable,
7 bands)
Coustic 120 watt Amp
Jensen 300 watt Amp
Thanks,
Marc Bluefire
bluefire@triton.unm.edu
(208) 523-2715
138 7th St Apt #5
Idaho Falls, Id
83401
I apologize if you're seeing this for the second time, but it did not post on
some of the groups I wanted last time..
--
M B Marc Bluefire <aka bluefire@deimos.unm.edu.UUCP>
[=] [=-=] [=] < bluefire@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP >
| |=-=-| c |-=-=| |
_|_|____|_~_|____|_|_
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Date: 25 Jun 91 11:21:21 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!ariel.unm.edu!t
riton.unm.edu!bluefire@arizona.edu (-=-Marc Bluefire-=-)
Subject: Emulation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm curious how the 8bit emulator for the Atari Ste/TT
systems works... like, how can you get the programs from
the 8bit to the STe/TT to begin with?
Do you need a 5 1/4" Disk drive for the STe/TT?
Please, e-mail me and let me know!
I'm considering buying a Mega STe/TT030, and then transfering my progams
from my 130xe to the Mega..
I also have heard that a C=64/128 emulator is out for the STe/TT.
Is this True?
Also, how does the IBM 386 Emulator work?
What percent compatable is it?
Can it do VGA/Super VGA graphics?
Does anyone out there have experience with this?
I appreciate any help, as it will help me decide on the STe.
Thanks,
Marc Bluefire
bluefire@triton.unm.edu
--
M B Marc Bluefire <aka bluefire@deimos.unm.edu.UUCP>
[=] [=-=] [=] < bluefire@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP >
| |=-=-| c |-=-=| |
_|_|____|_~_|____|_|_
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Date: 25 Jun 91 18:11:38 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!m.cs.u
iuc.edu!flute.cs.uiuc.edu!totty@arizona.edu (Brian Totty)
Subject: Hard-Disk Construction Summary Request
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am thinking again about building a hard drive for my ST. I have
an ancient 10 MB Supradrive in a shoe box case. I was thinking
about reusing the case & power supply & tossing a new drive in there.
Can some kind people please send me infomation about any/all of the
following questions:
(1) What host adapters are available, where can I get them, how much
do they cost, what are the differences?
(2) What drives do people recommend? Where is a good source to
purchase drives?
(3) Where can I get the specification of the data output by the
DMA port (what people refer to as ASCI I think)?
(4) What kind of software would I need to write/obtain to make this
work"?
Any information would be greatly helpful. Is there a "Frequently
Asked Questions" kind of wqrite up about building hard drives for the
ST?
--- Bri
/ Brian Totty o o
/__ __ o Department of Computer Science o
/ / / / 1304 W. Springfield Ave \_/ "We have corn in
/__/ / / Urbana, IL 61801 Massachusetts too!"
totty@cs.uiuc.edu
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Date: 25 Jun 91 15:39:57 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Hard Disks
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A while ago I posted a plea for information concerning hard disk drives. I am
in the market for one and I'm interested in what is being used out there.
Whats good, bad? Why?
For example, is the Supra any good? Is it slow/fast/noisy?
Forget about that Amiga crap - I need some honest help here!
Bob Malay
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Date: 25 Jun 91 11:14:24 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n1xxq@uunet.uu.net (L.B. Brown)
Subject: Ian Lepore: e-mail address ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
I need to know Ian Lepore's (author of the Gemfast AES and VDI bindings)
e-mail address so I can bring to his attention some small bugs I have
found. I can't find one in the gemfast V1.5 documentation. Does he have
an e-mail address? Does anyone know how to contact him?
Any help would be most appreciated.
Leigh.
Leigh Brown. UK : L.B.Brown@uk.ac.newcastle
World: L.B.Brown@newcastle.ac.uk
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Date: 25 Jun 91 10:32:44 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!tuda!n143u@uunet.uu.net (Julian Coleman)
Subject: If you ignore Tom Hill, he will go away...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
--
-- Julian Coleman < J.D.Coleman@newcastle.ac.uk >
-- Department of Surveying, University of Newcastle upon Tyne
-- Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, England. < +44 91 222 6739 >
-- #include <std_disclaimer.h>
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Date: 25 JUN 91 09:31:33 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: New Life for Old Megas
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Fred Saavedra writes:
>I have tryed to sell the system, but I have had no real offers.
>I guess no one likes the old MEGAs.
With the new generation of STs coming out, the old Mega is sort of
like the old maid, all dressed up and no where to go. It is going through
the same stage as what the Mac II went through only a year ago. It was
being replaced by sleaker, faster, and more versatile machines.
Recently, new daughter boards have been made available for the Mac II's,
making it just as fast, if not faster, than the Mac FX for a far cheaper
price.
Ok, the first generation Megas have the potential of a resurrection,
just as the Mac II. Dave Small's SST, a 33 mhz real burster and memory
expander, will first be introduced for the old generation Mega ST. Holding
on to this platform, rather than selling it, could really net a person a
blinding fast cruncher with 12 meg of memory.
If I still wanted to sell it, I would really sell it mentioning the
SST's need for it. The price would have to be about half of what it was
bought for, expecially with more electronically powerful, though slotless,
1040STe's going for $400.00 and less.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> | ATARI ST USERS OF EAST TEXAS
|>>No Amigas here! Only the ST!!!<<
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Date: 25 Jun 91 10:52:21 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!nikhefh!a15@uunet.uu.net (Peter Heymens Visser)
Subject: newsletter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The PORTABLE ADDICTION newsletter is a bit late, something went very wrong when
a friend tried to post it. Issue 02 will appear within a week, after that issue
we are going to start a mailinglist. For those of you who want to be on it can
e-mail to the address below.
a15@nikhefh.nikhef.nl
Tjerk Heijmens Visser
c/o Peter Heijmens Visser
National Institute for Nuclear Physics
and High Energy Physics ( NIKHEF-H )
Computer Department
Postbox 41882
1009 DB Amsterdam - Netherlands.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1991 15:39:54 +0000
From: LUSSER@elde.epfl.ch
Subject: PC-Speed with Modem problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Gruezi
I am using an 520STfm with 2,5Mb and an PC-Speed version 1.5.
My problem is, that every time I try to work with any comm.-soft in PC-mode
my system just looks up.
Have you any solutions to this problem ?? (programs that work,other solutions)
Thanks Serge
Serge Lusser |Tikky says www
Internet: LUSSER@elde.epfl.ch | O|O
Lausanne , Switzerland |
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1991 16:03 N
From: TENHAVE@KVI.NL
Subject: Printing Postscript files on a laserwriter III printer
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does someone know how i can print my postscipt files??
The files are created with spectre 3.0.
I want to print them on a laserwriter III printer with a postscript cardridge.
This printer is only usable using ethernet.
I have send my files to the printer but it has not print a thing yet...
The postscript files are OK.
Ron ten Have
Email : Tenhave@kvi.nl
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Date: 25 Jun 91 16:36:04 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timot
hyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan)
Subject: PS-Viewer available
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun18.095243.17961@ira.uka.de>, S_DINGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S|
Florian Dingler) writes:
|> Is there a POSTSCRIPT (TM) viewer for the ATARI(TM)-ST available ?
|>
|>
|> S_DINGLER@irav1.ira.uka.de
I have a postscript previewer written by Hauke Hess, who has given me
permission to upload it to atari archive. It is based on the ghostscript
epson driver, so it is a little large and a little slow. Other than that,
it is quite nice. You can specify the resolution of the image and then
scroll around it with the cursor keys. I hope to include something
like it in the GS 2.2 (already released) or 2.3 (soon to be released)
port to the ST. The program is called gsprev, and I will send it to
atari.archive as soon as I get some time.
Tim Gallivan
timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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Date: Tue,25 Jun 91 09:34:56 BST
From: D.Wade@sysd.salford.ac.uk
Subject: Purchase of Software from the UK.
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Ho folks. Some one responded that US users should have no problems with
software purchased from the UK. I can state that for some games programs
at least this is not true. In a recent ST mag there was a letter from a US
serviceman stationed in the UK who had brought his ST over with him.
He had purchased some games locally and they would not run on his ST. I think
this is to prevent US folks buying cheaper in the UK. He should also note
that as with IBM PC's etc. the atari US keyboard has one key less that
the international keyboards.
I suppose the moral is to ask before you buy or specify on the order for use
on a machine with a US TOS.
Dave Wade <d.wade@d.salf.ac.uk - Most Places outside the UK>
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Date: 25 Jun 91 13:59:47 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!robin@uunet.uu.net (R C Smith)
Subject: Source code for TeX version 3.1 for ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone out there have or know where there is the C source code for
TeX 3.*
Thanks
Robin
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Date: 25 Jun 91 18:07:40 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid)
Subject: sunmoon.lzh
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A couple of weeks ago in ZNET, a file called SUNMOON.LZH was listed.
Unfortunately I only remember the name, but I believe it is like the DEC
desktop program which displays a sun or moon depending on time of day. I
thought it would be on the net at atari.archive, but I haven't seen it. To
save myself a call to GEnie, does anyone have it?
Stephan
Technoid
--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves Salamanders Are Cool...
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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Date: 25 Jun 91 08:50:45 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute)
Subject: This week's program
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun22.003927.19972@menudo.uh.edu>, uace0@menudo.uh.edu
(ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) writes:
|> If this is a bad idea, flame me...
Done hereby.
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
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Date: 25 Jun 91 16:14:28 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua
ce0@arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman)
Subject: This week's program
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <BAMMI.91Jun24122520@acae127.cadence.com> bammi@acae127.cadence.com
(Jwahar R. Bammi) writes:
>
>Actually, what would be infinitely more useful (to me anyways) would
>be a short technical description of all the neat tricks you guys come
>up with, how you did it etc, and maybe the source.
>--
>--
We've been asked that before... We will perhaps release source code for some
of the stuff, but we really aren't sure about it.
As for neat tricks, some of it is voodoo programming, and I'm sure Atari will
appreciate if we don't go spreading voodoo programming techniques. Altho, you
can always ask us when you are intrigued.
>bang: uunet!cadence!bammi jwahar r. bammi
>domain: bammi@cadence.com
>GEnie: J.Bammi
>CIS: 71515,155
- mike
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Date: 25 Jun 91 17:53:58 GMT
From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!es2a+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Eric Stuyvesant)
Subject: Thomas Quester, where are you?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm looking for a valid e-mail address for/to Herr Quester to send
him a bug report. The ones included in the documentation to lzh11321
don't seem to work. Can anyone provide any suggestions? Sorry for the
waste of bandwidth.
Thanks in advance...
-Eric Stuyvesant
es2a+@andrew.cmu.edu || es2a%andrew@CMCCVB || JNET%"es2a%andrew@CMCCVB"
al782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu || {uunet,harvard}!andrew.cmu.edu!es2a
"To hate is to study, to study is to understand, to understand is to
appreciate, to appreciate is to love." -John A. Wheeler
Go MEMS!
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Date: 25 Jun 91 15:01:44 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!att!att!cbnewsl!cbnewsm!w
ao@arizona.edu (william.a.oswald)
Subject: Unix(tm) Windows
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
OK, I downloaded uw.uue, uwbin.uue and uw.tar.Z. I built the server
end of the program for my SUN using uw.tar.Z. How do I run the client
end of the software?? If I run uw.prg I get two bombs, if I run win.prg
I get a GEM screen of no practical use. What am I doing wrong. By the
way I have a 1040st running tos1.4. Thanks in advance.
Bill Oswald
aloft!wao
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Date: 25 Jun 91 08:48:33 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute)
Subject: What archiving format?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun21.152722.17873@newcastle.ac.uk>,
D.B.Barratt@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Barratt) writes:
|> I'm a bit confused regarding the different formats available for
|> archiving files e.g. arc, lharc, zoo etc. Is any one of these
|> formats more efficient or reliable than the others, if so does
|> this not make the others somewhat redundant? Is there any
|> compatibility between the different formats?
ARC:
Fast, reliable and effective. Since version 6.02 arc can archive complete
directories. Unfortunately it cannot store/extract dedicated files from a
directory :-(.
ZOO:
Not as fast as arc but very reliable. The most flexible archiving system.
You can put several versions of a file into an archive, associate comments
with archive elements and much more. Reading the zoo manual is really
worthwhile! Zoo archives need some more space than others. My favorite
archiver for larger distributions with nested directories. I also use it to
backup my program development directories because I can store several
versions of the source files.
LHARC:
Slow and unreliable. It has become popular because it has the best
compression factor. However, archiving and extracting is really slow. There
are several not always compatible LHarc versions by different authors
floating around. So if you don't have the right LHarc you might not be able
to extract an archive at all. Just say NO.
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
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