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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 326
Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 11 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 326
Today's Topics:
arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
Buying/Selling via the net
Can I get clip art with ftp?
Can I get ML on the ST?
DEGAS to Postscript
Does TT monitor have sound?
Latest ver. of Prospero-C??
MUST SELL
no_sub
Pascal compiler for an ATARI 1040stf
PPP For the Atari ST
Re: Man w/ pipe (2 msgs)
Reading 8-bit disks with an ST (2 msgs)
Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation
set-up for Practical Peripherals 9600 modem?
The new control panel: post it here!?
X for the ST?
Z-RAM made drive go nuts! WHY!!??
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Date: 7 Jun 91 18:49:12 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!apctrc!drd!d
.cs.okstate.edu!cummins@arizona.edu (John Cummins)
Subject: arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <727@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de (Ralph Berg)
writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>How can I tell arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp to store on
>extraction the files into another directory as where
>the archiver programms resides???
>
>Ralph Berg, Reichenbergerstr.89,
>ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de
To: ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de
Subject: Re: arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
In-Reply-To: <727@bigfoot.first.gmd.de>
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater
Cc:
Bcc:
Easiest way is to use a Shell program (Charles Johnson's ArcShell?)
and set ut up to either create directories or whatever. Other way is
to open the window to your arc program, open a second window to your
desired destination, hold right mouse button down while double clicking on the
arc program (in unselected window). Do what you've been doing at this point.
Most correct way is to enter the command at the .ttp prompt (having done
things the way you've been doing...) "x a:\srcpath\srcfile.arc b:\dstpath\*.*"
where a: and b: are the source and dest. drives. and srcpath is the source
files path, srcfile.arc is the arc file, dstpath is the path where you want
to put the files from the archive, and *.* meand extract every file!
Double clicking on arc.ttp and giving the argument "h" (single char) will
usually cause it to tell you how to use it. Good luck.
jc
cummins@unx2.ucc.okstate.edu (or reply... works but is slower.)
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Date: 10 Jun 91 21:28:13 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!ucsd!mvb.saic.com!steveg@arizona.edu
(Stephen Harold Goldstein)
Subject: Buying/Selling via the net
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm interested in hearing from people who have bought or sold
hardware or software via the net. Were your experience(s) generally
favorable? How did you handle the exchange of $$$ and merchandise?
For example, I'd be wary of shipping off a computer with no check in hand,
yet similarly, I'd be wary of sending out several hundred dollars
without even seeing the system. What's worked for you? How were
problems resolved - (gee, that hard drive worked fine when I sent it...)?
Please E-mail replies, I'll summarize. Seems like it would be a useful
addition to the monthly postings... (How to buy/sell on the net)
--
---
Stephen Goldstein steveg@cseic.saic.com
My first Atari system? A 24K Atari 800, Rev. A ROMS, C(not G)TIA graphics
Disclaimer: That's not what I said.
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Date: 10 Jun 91 09:24:39 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!e
ru!hagbard!lunic!my!luth!d90-ngp@arizona.edu (Niklas Grip)
Subject: Can I get clip art with ftp?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have tried to use ftp to get clip art for use in DTP, but I can't
find it anywhere! Can anyone please help me?
_______________________________________________________________________________
| | | |
| Niklas Grip | University of Luleaa | Some day I will |
| Vallstensgatan 7 | Internet: d90-ngp@sm.luth.se | make some nice |
| 951 59 Luleaa | Bitnet : d90-ngp%sm.luth.se@sekth | logo and remove |
| SWEDEN |====================================| this damn text! |
| Phone: 0920-26228 (international: +46 920 26228) | |
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Date: 10 Jun 91 09:04:22 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!e
ru!hagbard!lunic!my!luth!d90-ngp@arizona.edu (Niklas Grip)
Subject: Can I get ML on the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does Meta Language (ML) exist on the ST.
If it does, where can I get it?
_______________________________________________________________________________
| | | |
| Niklas Grip | University of Luleaa | Some day I will |
| Vallstensgatan 7 | Internet: d90-ngp@sm.luth.se | make some nice |
| 951 59 Luleaa | Bitnet : d90-ngp%sm.luth.se@sekth | logo and remove |
| SWEDEN |====================================| this damn text! |
| Phone: 0920-26228 (international: +46 920 26228) | |
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 91 10:45:05 +0100
From: Tom.Turnbull@durham.ac.uk
Subject: DEGAS to Postscript
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu, csw93@seq1.keele.ac.uk
There was a recent request for a DEGAS to POSTSCRIPT converter.
Well I am in the process of writing a DEGAS to Postscript
conversion program.
It will handle only standard PI1, PI2, PI3 files.
The file produced from PI3 input should print out on any "standard"
postscript printer.
PI1 and PI2 conversions will only print on a QMS ColourScript 100 printer.
Mainly because that's the only colour PS device I have programming
information for.
This program started life as a programming excercise to teach myself
GFA BASIC. I have since started converting it to assembler, in order to
speed up the conversion process.
I can't put a lot of effort into this at the moment as I
have a lot decorating to do at home, like rebuilding my
house from the ground up.
If there is any interest in this program from the "net" I
will tidy up what I have, and upload it so you can look at
it and let me know if it is worth continuing with the process.
Tom.T.
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Date: 10 Jun 91 09:32:15 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!e
ru!hagbard!lunic!my!luth!d90-ngp@arizona.edu (Niklas Grip)
Subject: Does TT monitor have sound?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A friend of mine have just bought an Amiga 3000, and the multisync
monitor he got with it does not have any loudspeaker, so to get any
sound out of the machine he has to connect it with his tape recorder!
Is it usual that multisync monitors don't have loudspeakers and
whatabout the TT?
_______________________________________________________________________________
| | | |
| Niklas Grip | University of Luleaa | Some day I will |
| Vallstensgatan 7 | Internet: d90-ngp@sm.luth.se | make some nice |
| 951 59 Luleaa | Bitnet : d90-ngp%sm.luth.se@sekth | logo and remove |
| SWEDEN |====================================| this damn text! |
| Phone: 0920-26228 (international: +46 920 26228) | |
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Date: 10 Jun 91 15:44:35 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fub!geminix.in-berlin.de!tertius.in-berlin.de!gaertner@uunet.
uu.net
Subject: Latest ver. of Prospero-C??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <91159.132204REEVES@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
REEVES@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Terry Reeves) writes:
> Actually, I think the latest version is 1.144. At least, that's the version I
> have. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the Developer's Kit, although
> I am interested.
>
> Terry
>
The Developer's Kit is a workbench which supports ALL Prospero languages and
floating point libraries. Additionally, a CLI and some tools are delivered,
where the most important is the `make' utility. You can also define startup-
and batch-files.
Ralf
---
Ralf Gaertner gaertner@venus.rz-berlin.mpg.de
FHI Berlin
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Date: 11 Jun 91 00:11:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!csn!boulder!hort
on.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: MUST SELL
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I must sell my SC1224 monitor: $195.00
Avatex 1200 Baud: $30.00
mail chuj@horton.colorado.edu
Thank You
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 91 10:41
From: UKAE%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: no_sub
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
index prog-a16
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Date: 10 Jun 91 21:26:37 GMT
From: bu.edu!m2c!jjmhome!jjmhome.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tad J. Hunt)
Subject: Pascal compiler for an ATARI 1040stf
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello, I am looking for a pascal compiler {cheap|pd} for the
atari as the subject says... Anyone {selling|know where i can ftp} one
please reply to this message. Thanks!!
Tad Hunt
hunt@jjmhome.uucp
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Date: 10 Jun 91 08:52:49 GMT
From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!moses@uunet.uu.net (Moses)
Subject: PPP For the Atari ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Has anyone compiled the Ka9q package with PPP protocol for the ST?
If so I would like to hear from ya :)
-MO
--
moses@therip.UUCP (Moses)
The Realm of Interesting Paraphernalia BBS -- (Fidonet 1:228/24)
+1 616 235 2313 (2400-14400 HST) +1 616 235 1708 (300-2400)
Grand Rapids, Michigan | Supporting Atari ST/Amiga/IBM Computers
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Date: 10 Jun 91 20:13:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
u!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko)
Subject: Re: Man w/ pipe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3188@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>
>
>Well this Bob Dobbs character (actually 4) is just another example of Atari
>wastage, along with Bea Hablig et al. I think I would have preferred to see
>four box corner characters, ala IBM, so that we could make up boxes in text.
>
So the "smiley face" character in the IBM set is more useful? At least
SOMEONE at Atari had a bit of a sense of humor... Besides, how often
do you need the entire character set?
No flames, just a thought...
Robert Anisko
rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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Date: 10 Jun 91 15:52:37 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!simvax.labmed.u
mn.edu!davidli@arizona.edu
Subject: Re: Man w/ pipe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3188@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk>, neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
> Well this Bob Dobbs character (actually 4) is just another example of Atari
> wastage ... Atari should have put something *useful* in there in
> the first place.
Darnded right! Atari really screwed up. Why didn't they use the IBM character
set like a REAL computer would? Come to think of it, why isn't the Atari ST
an IBM compatible computer? Gosh, it makes me so mad to think of the large
number of *useful* things that could have been done with the ST if only it'd
been an IBM compatible.
Grow up. There wasn't an official standard for all 256 characters back
in '85 -- and there still isn't today. It's only a waste if you believe you
*deserve* more than what you supposedly purchased with eyes wide open.
--
David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
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Date: 10 Jun 91 19:09:02 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Reading 8-bit disks with an ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun7.160145.1200@oz.plymouth.edu>, pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu
(Technoid) writes:
|> In article <1991Jun7.121908.7292@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
writes:
|> >In article <6DB632w164w@cellar.UUCP>, revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K'
Siano) writes:
|> >>
|> >> I've got several megs' worth of old and very important text files
on
|> >>floppy disks, leftovers from when I used an 8-bit Atari. Now that I have an
|> >>ST, I'd really like to be able to bring the text into my new machine and
|> >>transfer it to 720K floppies.
|> >>
|> >> Can anyone either outline or recommend a way for me to work up a
|> >>quick transfer system? Is it possible to hitch an old 810 disk drive to an
|> >>ST, and read ASCII files from it>
|> >>
|> >> Advice-- and especially a solution-- would be greatly appreciated.
|> >
|> >I cannot give you a solution, but I can tell you where one is. You need
|> >to get STXformer (the 8-bit emulator), and make a cable. At that point,
|> >you can hook an 810 to your ST and read disks. I don't know the details.
|> >
|> >Of course, if you have an 850 you could always direct-connect the two
|> >together and modem them over . . . .
|> >
|> Hello,
|>
|> It should also be mentioned that there is a fully 8-bit emulator for
|> the ST. You will find it and more information on the STXformer on
Atari.archive
|> I have yet to find an Xformer cable though so if you have any luck, please
get
|> back to me.
|>
|> Stephan
The Xformer Cable is available from:
B & C ComputerVisions
3257 Kifer Road
Santa Clara, CA 95051
408-749-1003
They have them 'cause I just bought one!
Bob Malay
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Date: 10 Jun 91 21:21:29 GMT
From:
pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!aidev.enet.dec.com!miskinis@decw
rl.dec.com (John Miskinis)
Subject: Reading 8-bit disks with an ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>|> It should also be mentioned that there is a fully 8-bit emulator for
>|> the ST. You will find it and more information on the STXformer on
Atari.archive
>|> I have yet to find an Xformer cable though so if you have any luck, please
get
>|> back to me.
>|>
>|> Stephan
Hi,
I downloaded STFX a while back, and although it emulated some
things, I couldn't get the graphics modes to work. Is this
really a full emulator?
Thanks in advance,
_John_
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Date: 10 Jun 91 19:25:31 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1372@zinn.MV.COM>, kgg@zinn.MV.COM (Kenn Goutal) writes:
|> In article <1991Jun04.154053.11570@lut.ac.uk> M.A.Rahin@lut.ac.uk
|> (Mohammad A. Rahin) writes that he needs to know how to format,
|> read, and write TOS floppies on a Sparcstation.
|>
|> I too would benefit from this information.
|> -- Kenn Goutal
|>
I tried using Mtools but never got the Mtools' mcopy to work. Our system
admin guy set up pcfs (do a man pcfs). I now use fdformat to format the
floppy on the sparc and then mount /pcfs . After the floppy file system is
mounted you can do any unix-thing you want - ls, cp, df, rm, mkdir, whatever
and the Atari reads these disks without a hitch.
Only glitch is you must be root to do a mount - at least here you do.
Bob Malay
PS I got a copy of unix-version of lharc. Compiled it on the sparc. I now
un-lharc at blinding speeds and copy the un-lharc'ed files to the sparc
floppy disk!
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Date: 10 Jun 91 20:00:56 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!fnnews!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiu
c.edu!midway!clout!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: set-up for Practical Peripherals 9600 modem?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Over the weekend, I got a Practical Peripherals V.32 V.42 V.42bis modem (at
a warehouse sale: wholesale on these babies appears to be about $400). Works
just fine, thank-you on my ST so far. I remember some discussion about flow
control (or lack of it) with the ST's serial port. Modems like this were 3
times as expensive back then, so I didn't save the messages. What do I have
to do? What might go wrong? How do I deal with problems? All this
specifically relating to flow control and a fast modem with data compression.
Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us
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Date: 11 Jun 91 01:50:31 GMT
From: agate!earthquake.Berkeley.EDU!axelo@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Axel K. Olmos)
Subject: The new control panel: post it here!?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have heard that the new control panel is about to be released into
the public domain.
Is this true?
If it is, will someone post it here?!
Axel K. Olmos EECS/C "No Pain, No Gain"
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Date: 10 Jun 91 19:08:28 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!e
ru!hagbard!sunic!sics.se!fuug!clinet!likos@arizona.edu (Johannis Likos)
Subject: X for the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) Writes:
> This Question Has Probably Already Been Asked Several Times, But
>Here It Goes: Does Anyone Know Of Any Type Of X-Window
>Emulation/Server/Host For The St? Please Either E-Mail Or Post
>Replies!
>Carl
>Limsico@Ocf.Berkeley.Edu
X-Window-Server for ATARI ST/TT
Two german companies developed an X-Window-server for the
MC680X0-based ATARIs.
The one which I tested from the company X/software has been
sold to ATARI Deutschland GmbH.
It was very slow on the Mega ST, which was connected through
Ethernet to a Workstation-Network.
It worked (except few crashes) even with loadable X-fonts.
But for professional use not recommended, maybe on TT
I could get better results, but at that time was neither
a TT nor a VME-network-card available.
This X-Window-Server is offered now (last CeBIT'91) by
the german ATARI subsidiary.
(incl. Mega-bus/VME-bus network interface)...
The other solution is offered by the company BioData GmbH,
the manufacturer of BioNet (I think the most reliable
network system in ST/TT environment).
To this X-Window-Server I cannot give any statement, because
I never got the chance to test it.
From hardware side I can recommend BioNet, because it is one
of the few products, which allows network connectivity to
other ST/TT, PC, Mac and Unix (incl. FTP, Telnet, etc.).
BioNet is an external network interface with Ethernet (thick/thin)
and DMA (in/out) used by many german professionals companies.
likos@clinet.fi
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Date: 10 Jun 91 16:08:19 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!e
ru!hagbard!lunic!my!luth!d90-ngp@arizona.edu (Niklas Grip)
Subject: Z-RAM made drive go nuts! WHY!!??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have upgraded my 1040 STFM to 4 megabytes with Z-RAM. My ST was one of those
with soldered MMU-chip, so I let a proffessional do it for me. When I got my
ST back I ran the test program. Geee, four megabytes and no complaints! I
started to install Neodesk 3, reads files from one disk and started writing on
another. Then suddenly the drive starts making noise. It sounds as if the
drives' motor tries to move the head right through the side of the machine.
Two dialog boxes explains that the drive does not answer and that the disk is
full, although it has 800 kilobytes free!!! A couple of minutes later I con-
clude that MY DRIVE READS AND FORMATS DISKS IN ALL POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS OF
SECTORS AND TRACKS, TWISTED AND NOT TWISTED, FROM GEM, FROM NEODESK 2.05 AND
FROM ALL PROGAMS THAT I HAVE BUT IT CANNOT WRITE MORE THAN A COUPLE OF KILO-
BYTES ON ANY DISK!!!
Now I am in desperate need of HELP!!! The proffessional will do his best to
fix it, but it would probably go much faster if anyone have had this problem
before and can give me any clue where to start dig. You cannot be to detailed.
DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF A FEW MINUTES EXPERIMENTING
===================================================
Equipment: 1040 STFM, monochrome monitor, Z-RAM and nothing more!
Inside Neodesk 2.05:
Trying to write to an empty disk formated before memory upgrade.
Drive writes some 10 K, makes noise, dialog boxes sais: Drive not responding.
Disk full.
I cancel writing, "Show info..." sais more than 800 K free.
Same test and same result again a couple of times.
Formats disk in different ways, same test, same result.
Try to load First Word +, Neodesk responds:
An address error has occured (3 bombs).
System register:
d0: 00000800 a0: 000030C2
d1: FFFF0F0F a1: 00008092
d2: 00000027 a2: 00000000
d3: 00000000 a3: 0005DF08
d4: 00000000 a4: 0000313A
d5: 00000000 a5: EB7E4A11
d6: 00000006 a6: 000015E2
d7: 00000006 a7: 00001592
ssp: 00001592
usp: 00060A40
instr: 3D6D
sr: 2300={t:0 s:1 interrupt: 011 x:0 n:0 z:0 v:0 c:0}
pc: 00FC60EA
I pressed return, a fourth bomb showed up, all went black and the computer
rebooted.
I started Neodesk 2.05 again and then loaded 1st Word +, no problems!
Loaded a rather large document, changed to empty disk and tried to save.
Disk wrote some 10 seconds, then made that uggly noise again followed by
dialog boxes telling drive don't answer and (the empty) disk full.
I cancelled. Drive made noise, same boxes. Cancelled again etc.
I reset the computer, made the 1st Word + test again from GEM, computer
loads program and behaves as before.
Loaded Calamus (from Neodesk), played around a little. Rubberband boxes some-
times leave sides of the box unerased when changing size, in a way I never have
seen before. "Show statistics" tell me that I have 3.3 meg free.
Suddenly... 2 bombs! Crash is so hard that even Neodesk got stuck (never
happened before).
I GIVE UP.
_______________________________________________________________________________
| | | |
| Niklas Grip | University of Luleaa | Some day I will |
| Vallstensgatan 7 | Internet: d90-ngp@sm.luth.se | make some nice |
| 951 59 Luleaa | Bitnet : d90-ngp%sm.luth.se@sekth | logo and remove |
| SWEDEN |====================================| this damn text! |
| Phone: 0920-26228 (international: +46 920 26228) | |
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