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Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 11 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 477
Today's Topics:
AT-ONCE 386sx (2 msgs)
Atari 1040ST system for sale
Atari Computers for sale.
help running oxyd
Internal Clock
Looking for term program...
Printer
ST memory allocation (2 msgs)
TeX help - what files?
Thanks to all for Help
tools for manipulating postscript files
TT disk drive in GCR? (3 msgs)
TT Unix / TT TOS
two bugs in PBMPLUS (ST-version)
UNZEROING THE HARD DISK
WordPlus, WP, WUP, speed
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Date: 10 Sep 91 13:52:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!samsung!za
phod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!unid
o!uniol!tpki!seki!carsten@ (Carsten Setje-Eilers)
Subject: AT-ONCE 386sx
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes:
><I'm forwarding this for John as they have some mailer problems>
>From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
>Subject: Re: MSDOS emulator with 386
>Vortex ATonce-386SX
Today I installed a Mega Ste-4 / ATonce-386sx- System.
Windows lookes very nice on it in VGA-Monochrome(hercules not so fine!).
The system had 512Kb-fast-RAM installed.
The only disadvantage is,that you have to scroll the screen up and down
via HELP and UNDO-key. The speed of redrawing the screen is ok,I think.
But the big question is,if you need such a system,if you have a Atari St...
Greetings,Carsten
>--
>John Janssen Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl
>The Netherlands
>Work: +31 40 756588 Atari Mega STE, MIDI, C-lab Notator and Unitor.
>Home: +31 77 513177 Astro -Birth/Place/Date/Time you > you.doc
--
Carsten Setje-Eilers 2300 Kiel Aschauweg 18a Germany
uucp:carsten@seki.toppoint.sub.org zer:carsten@kbbs
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Date: 11 Sep 91 02:12:16 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat
e.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@arizona.edu (Len Stys)
Subject: AT-ONCE 386sx
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In a previous article, carsten@seki.toppoint.sub.org (Carsten Setje-Eilers)
says:
>larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes:
>
>><I'm forwarding this for John as they have some mailer problems>
>
>>From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
>>Subject: Re: MSDOS emulator with 386
>>Vortex ATonce-386SX
>
>Today I installed a Mega Ste-4 / ATonce-386sx- System.
>Windows lookes very nice on it in VGA-Monochrome(hercules not so fine!).
>The system had 512Kb-fast-RAM installed.
>The only disadvantage is,that you have to scroll the screen up and down
>via HELP and UNDO-key. The speed of redrawing the screen is ok,I think.
>
>
>But the big question is,if you need such a system,if you have a Atari St...
What do you mean you have to scroll the screen up and down?
For what?
>
>Carsten Setje-Eilers 2300 Kiel Aschauweg 18a Germany
>uucp:carsten@seki.toppoint.sub.org zer:carsten@kbbs
>
--
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Date: 10 Sep 91 18:59:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!dlou@arizon
a.edu (Dennis Lou)
Subject: Atari 1040ST system for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Posting for a friend...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
For sale (PRICE REDUCED):
Atari 1040STf system
Amiga 1084D color monitor (with adapter)
-sometimes the speaker pops and goes out
-otherwise in good condition
Atari SM 124 monochrome monitor
Star NX1000 printer
-9pin dot matrix
-120cps
-friction/tractor feed
-excellent condition
Wico BOSS joystick
-thumb trigger flightstick style
Epyx joystick
-handheld short stick style
Power director
-fits under monitor and switches power
Lots of software
$700 for everything
Call Anson at 619 452 6018 (fast) or E-mail me here and I'll forward the
message (slower).
--
Dennis Lou || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
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Date: 11 Sep 91 01:11:10 GMT
From: sbcs.sunysb.edu!engws4.ic.sunysb.edu!mrose@nyu.arpa (Michael Rose)
Subject: Atari Computers for sale.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
COMPUTERS FOR SALE!!!
Atari Mega ST2
- 2 megabytes of memory.
- TOS 1.4
- Tweety Board installed.
- Front mounted OVERSCAN toggle switch.
Best Offer!!!
Atari 520ST
- 2 SF354 Disk drives
- 1 SM124 Monochrome monitor (Monitor has slight imperfection
in plastic housing on left-hand side)
$275 + shipping.
Atari 520ST
- 1 SF354 disk drive.
$175 + shipping.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Please respond via E-mail if interested or have any questions. We
can work out pick up or shipping if necessary.
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Date: 11 Sep 91 06:08:32 GMT
From:
munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@tcgould.tn.cornell.
edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: help running oxyd
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Sep10.030033.27447@cs.sfu.ca> wolfgang@cs.sfu.ca (Wolfgang Jung) writes:
>In article <3552@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>>wolfgang@cs.sfu.ca (Wolfgang Jung) writes:
>>
>> 1. It doesn't work from the auto folder
>Hmm my version does (Which is not from a.a)
>> 2. It says the rest - in German (though this is fair enough)
>Hmm, (my last play was 6 Month ago) I was thinking it had a switch
>for the language. Could you hear the SOUND ?
>Anyway you can ONLY play till Level 10 on Level 11 there are special
>Pieces in your Way which need to be removed by a keysequence, which itself
>can only be retrieved from the above mentioned book. (I think the company
>called it dongleware.)
Well, that sounds fair enough. Would someone with a working copy upload it
to atari.archive, or someone who retrieved a working copy form a.a please
step forward.
Eager,
Thanks
--
_-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.-._/ University of Queensland,
v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 15:55:03 +0100
From: "G.J. Baker" <gge@cxa.daresbury.ac.uk>
Subject: Internal Clock
To: Info-Atari16 <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
People rushing out to buy the Dallas Semiconductor SmartWatch DS1216E should
be aware that it is a 28 PIN device ie for 256K ROMs. The 32 PIN device has
the part number DS1216F, however the data sheet for the latter indicates
that the calling sequence is identical and so the boot program SHOULD (???)
work but when I tried to run it on my 1024 STe it hung with two bombs (!!).
When the 32 PIN device that I have ordered arrives I'll post my experience.
Regards
Gareth J.Baker
JANET:gge@uk.ac.dl.cxa | Post: S.E.R.C.,
Internet:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu | Daresbury Laboratories,
EARN/BITNET:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@UKACRL | Warrington, WA4 4AD,
UUCP:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@ukc.uucp | U.K.
| Tel: +44 0925 603586
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Date: 10 Sep 91 19:29:01 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!fo
rnax!wolfgang@arizona.edu (Wolfgang Jung)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Sep10.132435.3521@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>
>BTW, last I heard UniTerm v2.0e edit 14 was the newest version, but
>I think Howard Chu (was it Howard?) has a version which he updated
>himself to sort out some of the well-known eccentricities of the
>program.
Where can I get this Version ??
--
Note: Please Use woju@cs.sfu.ca as Address after Monday the 9th Sept
After 25th Sept mail to woju@mist.sub.org
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Date: 11 Sep 91 05:09:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.bu
ffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v053qhyx@arizona.edu (Jeremy A Berger)
Subject: Printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi...
I have a quick question.. My panasonic printer has finally died on me..
I loved the panasonic Kxp1091 but it was slow and noisy.. I'm trying
to decide which printer to buy instead. I've been told that cannons ink jet
printers are as good as/better than HP's.. Considering the fact that I can
get one of the portable Cannons for 350. I'm wondering If I should do it..
does anyone have any info on these printers or can anyone suggest another
printer? I need it for writing papers and desktop publishing. I honestly
feel that in the next year or so my ST will be "gotten rid of " to make way
for an IBM.. so I need the printer to also work with the IBM.. well ... Thanx
alot! Please E-mail me...
Jeremy
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Date: 10 Sep 91 13:07:14 GMT
From: areyes!admiral!slammy@uunet.uu.net (Dave Litchman)
Subject: ST memory allocation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Then how does NeoDesk's Clipboard work? It's not truly a ramdisk, but
it's not a physical disk either...
admiral!slammy@uunet.uu.net (Dave Litchman) <uunet!areyes!admiral!slammy>
The Admiral's Public UNIX - Greenwich, CT - System Administrator: Doug Fields
(HST/V32) 203-661-1279 - (PEP/V32) -2873 - (V32) -0450 - (V29/MNP6) -2967
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Date: 11 Sep 91 03:20:43 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!r
jast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko)
Subject: ST memory allocation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <Rm8281w164w@admiral.uucp> slammy@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
writes:
>Then how does NeoDesk's Clipboard work? It's not truly a ramdisk, but
>it's not a physical disk either...
>
Hmm, I don't have Neodesk, but in playing with GEMINI, Gemini
actually has a directory somewhere where files for the CLipboard go
(along with the trashcan (NOT the thrashcan))...
Robert Anisko
rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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Date: 10 Sep 91 16:44:53 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n00m4@uunet.uu.net (Dave Barratt)
Subject: TeX help - what files?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Could someone please mail me details of what TeX files I need, and where
I can get them from, in order to get it up and running on a 1 Meg ST
and Epson compatible dot matrix printer.
Cheers,
Dave
*********************************************************************
Dave Barratt JANET: D.B.Barratt@uk.ac.newcastle
Computing Laboratory
University of Newcastle upon Tyne
UK
" A spacers not a spacer till his trod vac "
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Date: 11 Sep 91 12:32:12 GMT
From: ads.com!pdel@decwrl.dec.com (Peter Delevoryas)
Subject: Thanks to all for Help
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Thanks to all once again for helping a novice out. I got Sozobon set up
and working fine.
I really appreciate all the responses. It makes you feel good knowing that
even simple questions get answered. And within a day!
To any others like me reluctant to post for help; go for it! Hey, even
Steve Yelvington (involved w/beta-testing and other stuff) wrote me!
Okay, so I get excited easily. Happens when I come across free software.
Thanks, Tony!
Peter D.
--
login name: L1-A
In real life: Peter Delevoryas
In any other life: a cheap imitation
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Date: 11 Sep 91 00:03:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!un
ixg.ubc.ca!geog.ubc.ca!peter@arizona.edu (Peter Jackson)
Subject: tools for manipulating postscript files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello, does anyone know of any tools available which can be used to
manipulate postscript figures? What I need to be able to do is
read postscript plots and drawings created by a number of other
packages, and to move and delete objects, combine images, scale
and resize images, and anotate images with text (including greek
symbols) and drawing.
The program would have to be able to do this without losing
resolution and would need to output another (encapsulated) postscript
file which could subsequently be printed.
Something which can run on an Atari ST would be great, but if
anyone knows of anything which can do this on other platforms
(PC, Sun sparcstation, SGI, Mac) it would be useful to me as well.
I have tried packages on the sparcstation (Island Draw, Xfig and others),
but they all had difficulty correctly reading complex postscript
plots.
If I am emailed responses, I would be pleased to post a summary.
Thanks.
--
======================================================================
Peter L. Jackson | peter@geog.ubc.ca
Atmospheric Science/Geography | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet
University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150
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Date: 10 Sep 91 18:18:54 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu
(Mark Choi)
Subject: TT disk drive in GCR?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A friend of mine with a TT is having problems with the internal floppy
drive. It works fine in Tos mode, but fails to read Mac disks while in
GCR mode. It also flakes out with the superCharger. Atari claims there
is no problem with the TT, and Gadgets claims that most of the time the
TT should work, but there are some TT's with problems, which Atari
denies. Anybody have any suggestions?
thanks,
mark
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Date: 10 Sep 91 20:21:30 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunixf.cc.col
umbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: TT disk drive in GCR?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <wcnEmC_00VpOM1Blch@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
writes:
>
> A friend of mine with a TT is having problems with the internal floppy
>drive. It works fine in Tos mode, but fails to read Mac disks while in
>GCR mode. It also flakes out with the superCharger. Atari claims there
>is no problem with the TT, and Gadgets claims that most of the time the
>TT should work, but there are some TT's with problems, which Atari
>denies. Anybody have any suggestions?
Well, Atari also denied that there were problems with DMA chips
on some STe's which resulted in spurious disk errors.
The bottom line is that they very often design products that are
using components that are just barely in spec. When you cut
down your margin of error too much, you get a lot of annoying
problems like this. Why not take the machine in to a service
center (is it still within the 90 day warranty?) and have it
checked out?
Cheers,
Chris
--------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing: The only hobby perfectly tailored for
| anal retentive alcoholics. :-)
--------------| (ripped off from someone on the net...)
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Date: 11 Sep 91 01:32:51 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: TT disk drive in GCR?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <wcnEmC_00VpOM1Blch@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
writes:
>
> A friend of mine with a TT is having problems with the internal floppy
> drive. It works fine in Tos mode, but fails to read Mac disks while in
> GCR mode. It also flakes out with the superCharger. Atari claims there
> is no problem with the TT, and Gadgets claims that most of the time the
> TT should work, but there are some TT's with problems, which Atari
> denies. Anybody have any suggestions?
> thanks,
> mark
Well a friend here found the same, so he Faxed Dave Small and was told
that the it does Not work on the 'TT', and also found that the
internal 'TT' hard Drive would not work..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 ***
*** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, ***
*** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe ***
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Date: 10 Sep 91 19:13:04 GMT
From: bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
(Adam David)
Subject: TT Unix / TT TOS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <3160@tamsun.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
>In article <3541@krafla.rhi.hi.is> adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) writes:
>>
>>Is it possible yet in TT unix to set up a virtual ST machine.
>>Wouldn't this be something for Atari to support?
>>I really don't like the idea of the TT being either TOS or Unix but not
>>both together.
>>
>It seems that most UNIX developers add a IBM emulator product that allows
>UNIX users to access DOS on their UNIX machine. No one does a good job
>at it.
Since ST programs do not make use of the 68030 MMU, it is really easy to
let the ST emulation run in an area of memory allocated through the MMU.
The only tricky part is controlling hardware access. Obviously, if all
hardware registers are shared between TOS and Unix, chaos would result
from allowing both to access them freely. Therefore the TOS must either
provide new bios routines for the emulation under Unix, or some form
of mutual exclusion and/or value-storage must be performed on groups of
hardware registers.
In practice a combination of these two methods would probably make the
best solution. IMHO there is little point in a machine which can run
either TOS or Unix but not both together. How about it Atari?
Or maybe our German friends will get there first.
--
Adam David.
(adamd@rhi.hi.is)
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Date: 11 Sep 91 07:21:32 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!utrcu1!mi.el.utwente.nl!klamer@uunet.uu.net (Klamer Schutte)
Subject: two bugs in PBMPLUS (ST-version)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Sep5.141215.23888@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
lsmichae@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael) writes:
>All tools accept TAB, NEWLINE and SPACE as hard spaces this works
>fine on UN*X systems (EOLN marker is one NEWLINE). But the ST
>builds a EOLN by concatenation of two chars, CR *and* NEWLINE.
Oops! Proper fix overhere is opening your (binary) files with file modes
"rb" and "wb" instead of "r" and "w". This does the ST prevent from
making \n from \r\n.
Klamer
--
Klamer Schutte Tel: +31-53-892786 Fax: +31-53-340045
Faculty of electrical engineering -- University of Twente, The Netherlands
preferred: klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl SMTP: klamer@utelmi01.el.utwente.nl
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 91 14:38:23 SST
From: "S. Suthipuntha" <AKISUJAR%NUSVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: UNZEROING THE HARD DISK
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello from Singapore,
While trying to recover a crashed partition on my Megafile 44 (Syquest Remova-
ble Hard disk) by zeroing the partitition with Atari AHDX 3.02 Hard disk Utili-
ty program, I got the other good partition full of program zeroed. The direc-
tory now shows 0 byte. However when I read the partition with DiskDoctor I can
see that all data and FAT still there. I understand that zeroing the hard disk
merely change few byte at boot sector without actually delete the data.
I was able to recover the crashed Megafile 60 by running PC-Ditto by reformat-
ing the hard disk to be able to boot it and then using the PC-Ditto to rebuild
the hard disk with PCTOOLS. However the PC-Ditto give 'Devide Overflow'
message when I try to access any Partition on Megafile 44. Running PCTools with
SuperCharger seems OK and the PCtools'Rebuild.COM found many subdirectories and
files but after finish running non of the files were recovered.
Is there any way to reverse the zeroing process? Or is there a better way to
recover the data from the removable hard disk?
Any advice would be most appreciated.
Many thanx in advance,
Suthipuntha, School of Architecture, national University of Singapore
AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET
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Date: 21 Aug 91 12:20:45 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!swrinde!mips!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: WordPlus, WP, WUP, speed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Clarence:
I received your E-mail note and I am replying to both the note and your net
posting.
I have both WordPlus and WordPerfect (WP) on my TT. I have been using
WordPlus for years and received 3.2 as soon as it was released. I have
hardly used WP; I bought it to get around having to use Mass11 on our VAX
network here (I intend to write in WP and run a convert utility).
While WP is much more capable than WordPlus, the latter serves my needs
better because I have simple needs. When I want to do something complex, I
run either Calamus or Pagestream and do real DTP work.
I had WordUP (WUP) for only a short time; I am an Atari dealer part time and I
found that WUP crashed too much on my ST (had to remove all my accessories
before I could get it to work the first time).
The problem that you will face is when you use a word processor that has
multiple fonts that cannot be downloaded to your HP LJ; you'll have to wait
forever for outputs. Your files will be bitmapped and sent down the
parallel port at a snail's pace. The HP LJ handshakes more slowly than any
laser I have ever seen or used!!!
At my day job I have an HP LJ with a Pacific Page postscript cartridge.
Compared to my Atari SLM605 on my Mega 2 at home, the TT-HP LJ combination
is a dog. Love my SLM605!!!; you should see it fly with Calamus.
So, if your want to run a graphics based word processor, use postscript
(without the PS cartridge, the TT-HP LJ system is even worse) or get a real
laser; the SLM605.
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