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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 476
Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 10 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 476
Today's Topics:
Atari 2600 + Cart for sale
GCC1.40
Gemini/Fonts
help running oxyd (2 msgs)
kermit for the ST
Looking for term program... (6 msgs)
Program wanted to define k
Sale
TOS 2.0X into old STs: can it
Triangle drive and Spectre
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Date: 10 Sep 91 14:57:31 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!gatech!taco!hobbes.catt.ncsu.edu!happy@arizona.edu
Subject: Atari 2600 + Cart for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have an Atari 2600 and carts for sale. Please note the following
conditions of each sale:
- All merchandise is in excellent shape.
- Buyer pays shipping.
- It's first respond, first serve.
- A purchase of 5 or more carts earns 10% discount.
- Prices are negotiable ONLY if you are buying in volume or after some
carts don't sell within a give time.
- I will sell the entire package (system, cart holder, and carts) for $125
or best offer.
- No joysticks, paddles being sold.
- An * means that instructions are included with the cart
- If you want specific info about a cart, just e-mail me.
Items for Sale
--------------
Atari 2600 System (including cords, power supply, owner's manual, etc.)
Price : $25
Cartridge holder (16 cap.) Price : $5
Carts for Sale
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Defender*...............4.00 Star Voyager*...............2.00
Video Olympics*.........2.00 Journey Escape..............2.00
Dig Dug*................6.00 Star Strike*................2.00
Berzerk*................4.00 Cosmic Ark..................4.00
Video Checkers*.........2.00 Venture*....................4.00
Zaxxon*.................6.00 Astroblast..................2.00
Starmaster*.............4.00 Chopper Command*............4.00
Vanguard*...............6.00
Space Jockey*...........2.00 Buck Rogers*................6.00
Enduro..................4.00
Lock 'n' Chase*.........4.00
Turmoil.................4.00 Missile Command.............2.00
E.T.....................6.00
Armor Ambush*...........2.00 Tutankham*..................6.00
Space Attack............2.00 Asteroids...................2.00
Adventures of Tron*.....6.00 Air Sea Battle..............2.00
Haunted House*..........2.00 Space Invaders..............2.00
Bump 'n' Jump*..........6.00
Ms.Pac-Man..............6.00
Ghostbusters............4.00
Night Driver............2.00 Real Sports Football*.......4.00
Sword Quest.............6.00 Donkey Kong*................6.00
Basketball*.............4.00 Kaboom!*....................2.00
Moon Patrol*............6.00 Infiltrate*.................4.00
Gyruss..................6.00 Yar's Revenge...............4.00
Dragonfire*.............4.00 Phoenix.....................6.00
Reactor.................2.00 Superbreakout*..............4.00
Super Challenge Baseball..4.00 Video Pinball...............4.00
Well, that's it. Let me know what you're interested in and we'll get down
to business. E-mail me at happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu
Thanks for your interest.
RUSSELL
--
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RUSSELL J. SOOTS - North Carolina State Univesity - SED+BLS, minor GN
happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu_____________________North Carolina Teaching Fellow
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Date: 10 Sep 91 11:13:43 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins)
Subject: GCC1.40
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> I want to use gcc 1.40 but I don't know what i need and where to
> find all the nesscesary stuff.
For anyone else looking at the ST GNU suite, ++jrb has kindly agreed to mail a
cart tape with his GNU suite to A.A. There are rather too many mismatches at
the moment for me to sort out the archive properly. ++jrb is working on an
update at the moment, so it might be worth hanging fire a wee while.
--
Graham Higgins
<< My opinions above are exactly that: my own, and opinions. >>
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Date: 10 Sep 91 14:56:13 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.edu
Subject: Gemini/Fonts
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <4466330@fredw.UUCP>, fred@fredw.UUCP (Fred Wells) says:
>I had the same problem. Basically, the problem was that Gemini apparently
>can ONLY USE PROPORTIONALLY SPACED FONTS. I wanted to use a smaller font that
>would allow me to legibly use 24 lines in the Console Window that didn't
>extend off of the screen in medium res (wanted to use vi). Using a font
>editor, it was apparent that all of the fonts I was trying to use weren't
>proportional. Gemini wouldn't even recognize any font that wasn't. I
>think that the docs stated that somewhere. I seem to remember reading that
>afterwards. Anyway, I finally gave up and went back to using Gulam. Hope
>this is helpful.
>
>--
No, it isn't :-)
Gemini uses all those fonts, where all existing characters have the same
witdh.
>--------------------------------------------------
>Fred Wells uunet!opel!ss2!fredw!fred
>Atari ST System
'___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 12:13:13 MEZ
From: Wolfgang Ley <BWWL%DCZTU1.BITNET@YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Subject: help running oxyd
To: Atari ST users forum <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Hi people!
I really hav had NO problems running OXYD. You can't run it from the
AUTO-Folder. The game is monochrome only. You can steer the ball
with the mouse (no joystick!).
The first level is very easy (look at the next 99 levels ;-))
A hint for the first level: run the ball fast enough over the swamp,
touch one stone, go back again (be careful about the rotor; it doesn't
follow you if you have enough distance to it). And finaly get all the
pairs of stones....
I enjoy OXYD very much (especially the two player option!!!).
All levels are really playable - some even with problems....
Hope you will have fun too....
Bye, Wolfgang.
(OXYD is one of the very best monochrome game-programs for the ST)
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Wolfgang Ley e-mail:
Teichstrasse 9 from BITNET : BWWL@DCZTU1.BITNET
3392 Clausthal-Zellerfeld from Internet: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de
Tel. 05323/82132 (voice) or BWWL@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de
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Date: 10 Sep 91 03:00:33 GMT
From: ubc-cs!fornax!wolfgang@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Wolfgang Jung)
Subject: help running oxyd
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3552@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>wolfgang@cs.sfu.ca (Wolfgang Jung) writes:
>>Actually OXYD is something called DONGLEWARE which just means, that you have
>>to buy the OXYD Book (price about 50 DM form Aplication Systems Heidelberg)
>>You should be able to play the first 10 Levels after loading.
>>Put everthing onto a Floppydisk the .prg file into an AUTO-Folder.
>>Turn Off your ST & HD. Turn back on the ST and WAITWAIT WAIT till the
>>music starts ringing your ears. The rest should be easy (OXYD says the rest)
>
>From my experience,
>
> 1. It doesn't work from the auto folder
Hmm my version does (Which is not from a.a)
> 2. It says the rest - in German (though this is fair enough)
Hmm, (my last play was 6 Month ago) I was thinking it had a switch
for the language. Could you hear the SOUND ?
> 3. There are NO docs readable from outside an Atari system
There are none, that's why you need the book.
> 4. It doesn't work at all (the first Landscape is set at
> impossible difficulty: every wall kills you, there
> is a flying object that kills, the floor falls out
> from beneath your feet, and there are no exits.
This looks like a corupted Database (I once mangeld with this and got the
same reslut)
>Also, I think `DongleWare' is a bit beyond the realms of what I'd like to
>see at atari.archive. After downloading 450K at 2400 baud I was, to be blunt,
Anyway you can ONLY play till Level 10 on Level 11 there are special
Pieces in your Way which need to be removed by a keysequence, which itself
can only be retrieved from the above mentioned book. (I think the company
called it dongleware.)
>pissed off. It may be that the levels data is corrupted and this would not
>be the author's fault. In fact, as OXYD loaded up and I saw the name
>
--
Note: Please Use woju@cs.sfu.ca as Address after Monday the 9th Sept
After 25th Sept mail to woju@mist.sub.org
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Date: 10 Sep 91 13:46:03 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!daemon@arizon
a.edu
Subject: kermit for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Until I got my TT, I always used UNITERM and found its implementation of
KERMIT to be the best of any program I had ever used. But, since UNITERM does
not take advantage of my 19" TTM195 monitor, I now use STalker for
telecommunications. STalker does not include KERMIT so I use a desk
accessory called GEM KERMIT. While GEM KERMIT has a few bugs, such as
its FINISH command, it works quite well. GEM KERMIT is PD, anyone want
me to post it on the net?
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Date: 10 Sep 91 05:10:45 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!
aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu (Michel Forget)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
> Uniterm is definitely the best term program for the ST, bar none.
>
> --------------+----------------------------------------------------------
> Chris Mauritz | Cuba's *superior* human rights record is only part of the
> | answer; it's superior social conditions are another.
> --------------| -Harel Barzilai-
I'm a little confused by your last statement. What makes Uniterm so
good? I have it, but I have had several problems getting it to do the
following things:
1. ANSI (with graphic characters) emulation.
2. Dialing properly. It seems that when I tell it to dial, it will dial
once, and then WAIT until I press a key to dial again. This seems
strange, since redialingis used mainly so that you don't have to hover
over the keyboard.
Interlink does do ANSI emulation, and the dialer is simple. Everyone
says UniTerm is good, but *WHY*? (Surely not because it does Kermit?
There is an external Kermit utility in the public domain, which could be
used just as easily.)
Also, what is the latest version? I've been using 2.0e, which is the
newest I've seen or heard about.
<< ---------------------------------- >>
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
<< Michel Forget >>
<< "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >>
<< ---------------------------------- >>
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Date: 10 Sep 91 11:31:47 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!caen!ais.org!ty@arizona.edu (Ty Zucker)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:
>cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>
>> Uniterm is definitely the best term program for the ST, bar none.
>>
>> --------------+----------------------------------------------------------
>> Chris Mauritz | Cuba's *superior* human rights record is only part of the
>> | answer; it's superior social conditions are another.
>> --------------| -Harel Barzilai-
>I'm a little confused by your last statement. What makes Uniterm so
>good? I have it, but I have had several problems getting it to do the
>following things:
>1. ANSI (with graphic characters) emulation.
>2. Dialing properly. It seems that when I tell it to dial, it will dial
>once, and then WAIT until I press a key to dial again. This seems
>strange, since redialingis used mainly so that you don't have to hover
>over the keyboard.
>Interlink does do ANSI emulation, and the dialer is simple. Everyone
>says UniTerm is good, but *WHY*? (Surely not because it does Kermit?
>There is an external Kermit utility in the public domain, which could be
>used just as easily.)
>Also, what is the latest version? I've been using 2.0e, which is the
>newest I've seen or heard about.
><< ---------------------------------- >>
><< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
><< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
><< Michel Forget >>
><< "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >>
><< ---------------------------------- >>
You need to reset the dialer timeout delay. It's on the Dialer menu. That
should speed things up for you.
Uniterm is good mainly because it does almost every kind of terminal
emulation you can think of. It also has (imho) a very good kermit
implementation too. Maybe you don't have the docs that come along with
it? btw 2.0e is the latest version
--
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"You might be a king or you might be a street sweeper, but sooner or
later, you'll all dance with the Reaper." - Grim Reaper - Bill and Ted's
Bogus Journey.
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Date: 10 Sep 91 11:31:47 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!utkcs2!memstvx1!ukma!wupost!sdd.hp.com!caen!ais.org!ty@arizo
na.edu (Ty Zucker)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:
>cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>
>> Uniterm is definitely the best term program for the ST, bar none.
>>
>> --------------+----------------------------------------------------------
>> Chris Mauritz | Cuba's *superior* human rights record is only part of the
>> | answer; it's superior social conditions are another.
>> --------------| -Harel Barzilai-
>I'm a little confused by your last statement. What makes Uniterm so
>good? I have it, but I have had several problems getting it to do the
>following things:
>1. ANSI (with graphic characters) emulation.
>2. Dialing properly. It seems that when I tell it to dial, it will dial
>once, and then WAIT until I press a key to dial again. This seems
>strange, since redialingis used mainly so that you don't have to hover
>over the keyboard.
>Interlink does do ANSI emulation, and the dialer is simple. Everyone
>says UniTerm is good, but *WHY*? (Surely not because it does Kermit?
>There is an external Kermit utility in the public domain, which could be
>used just as easily.)
>Also, what is the latest version? I've been using 2.0e, which is the
>newest I've seen or heard about.
><< ---------------------------------- >>
><< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
><< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
><< Michel Forget >>
><< "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >>
><< ---------------------------------- >>
You need to reset the dialer timeout delay. It's on the Dialer menu. That
should speed things up for you.
Uniterm is good mainly because it does almost every kind of terminal
emulation you can think of. It also has (imho) a very good kermit
implementation too. Maybe you don't have the docs that come along with
it? btw 2.0e is the latest version
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"You might be a king or you might be a street sweeper, but sooner or
later, you'll all dance with the Reaper." - Grim Reaper - Bill and Ted's
Bogus Journey.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 12:39 +0200
From: Milan Adamov <EADAMOV%yubgef51.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu wrote:
>>Using Flash's 'execute' function, you can run any .TOS, .TTP or .PRG
>>that isn't mouse driven. (For some reason it likes to block out the
>>mouse.) Anyway, it is very easy to use with external protocols. For
>>example, I have a macro setup that will auto-zmodem to a download folder
>>on my H:\ partition.
One can run ANY program from Flash, including mouse driven ones. Use
GEM command instead of EXEC. I'm using this feature with those GEM RZ & SZ for
quite a time, never had any problems, just say GEM RZ.PRG, and you have the
mouse on screen.
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/* Milan Adamov | */
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/* 11090 Belgrade ---|--- Does my country still exist ? */
/* Yugoslavia ] | [ */
/* EADAMOV@YUBGEF51.BITNET | */
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Date: 10 Sep 91 13:24:35 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunix
f.cc.columbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M
Mauritz)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <mkL281w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
(Michel Forget) writes:
>cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>
>> Uniterm is definitely the best term program for the ST, bar none.
>>
>I'm a little confused by your last statement. What makes Uniterm so
>good? I have it, but I have had several problems getting it to do the
>following things:
>
>1. ANSI (with graphic characters) emulation.
>
>2. Dialing properly. It seems that when I tell it to dial, it will dial
>once, and then WAIT until I press a key to dial again. This seems
>strange, since redialingis used mainly so that you don't have to hover
>over the keyboard.
>
>Interlink does do ANSI emulation, and the dialer is simple. Everyone
>says UniTerm is good, but *WHY*? (Surely not because it does Kermit?
>There is an external Kermit utility in the public domain, which could be
>used just as easily.)
>
>Also, what is the latest version? I've been using 2.0e, which is the
>newest I've seen or heard about.
Well, I think UniTerm is better than Interlink in the same manner that
I think unix is better than TOS...one is a lot more powerful, but a
little unwieldy to use. If you do a lot of communication with mainframes,
you will find the features/configurability (is this a word? :))
indispensable. However, if you just want to jump onto your local BBS
once in a while to download a file or play nethack, it might not be
worth dealing with its little quirks.
BTW, last I heard UniTerm v2.0e edit 14 was the newest version, but
I think Howard Chu (was it Howard?) has a version which he updated
himself to sort out some of the well-known eccentricities of the
program.
Also, UniTerm has the best version of Kermit I have seen on any
terminal emulation package for the ST.
Cheers,
Chris
--------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing: The only hobby perfectly tailored for
| anal retentive alcoholics. :-)
--------------| (ripped off from someone on the net...)
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Date: 10 Sep 91 16:37:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!tulane!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!rja
st1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
re: Uniterm
Besides, it's kinda nice setting up function keys to run external
programs - I'd say have F1 run XYZSHELL, and thus have Zmodem right there.
And the reason it doesn't have ANSI is because the author quit awhile ago.
But he left a very powerful program nonetheless...
Robert Anisko
rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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Date: 8 Sep 91 17:46:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.d
e!fub!dobag.in-berlin.de!nicedel!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Laurenz_Pruessne
r@arizona.edu (Laurenz Pruessner)
Subject: Program wanted to define k
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Ken Badertscher kbad @ atari.UUCP wrote 08/29.91 18:05:
>I heartily encourage anyone who's looking for such a program to
>buy CodeKeys from your local dealer, or directly from CodeHead Software.
??? CodeHead usually uses a terrible programming style (such as stealing
vectors in accessories, using Line-A, not using wind_update(), installing
housemade BIOS-ops (!!!) in accessories (!!! II), allowing zero-vdi-handles
and so on).
CodeKeys uses Line-A for its outputs. That certainly won't work on various
graphic-boards, and it had serious problems with OverScan, allthough this board
supports Line-A.
/-----------------------------------------------------------------------\
I Laurenz Pruessner I - for rent - I
I Cynics-Dev I I
I Hamburg / Germany I---------------------------------------------------I
I "Dee Eff Y PODA " I Laurenz_Pruessner@hh.maus.de I
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Date: 10 Sep 91 14:21:07 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!tulane!samsung!sdd.hp.com!zeus!dorm.rutgers.edu!njitgw.njit.ed
u!tesla.njit.edu!fer9483@arizona.edu
Subject: Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For Sale:
Atari 520 ST (512k)
Atari SC1224 (?) Color Monitor
Atari SH204 20 Megabyte HD
Comes with Mouse, Some software, and an EXTERNAL DS drive..
$300 for the whole thing.. Make offers on components if you want..
Frank
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Date: 8 Sep 91 17:46:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.d
e!fub!dobag.in-berlin.de!nicedel!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Laurenz_Pruessne
r@arizona.edu (Laurenz Pruessner)
Subject: TOS 2.0X into old STs: can it
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Graham Thomas grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk @ SUB write on 08/22/91 09:48:
>What Laurenz means, I think, is that you can get a version of 2.0x to
>work in an old ST, as long as you also put in various other
>modifications. I don't know what these might be, or even how much has
>to be changed in hardware. I'd bet you have to know the ST pretty well
>to install the modifications, though.
No, that's right. What you need is a hardware-modification and a fitting
TOS. As it seems Atari is going to support their users.
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I Cynics-Dev I I
I Hamburg / Germany I---------------------------------------------------I
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 12:08:05 BST
From: "D." Summerbell
<d-summer@national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk>
Subject: Triangle drive and Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>My friend bought a used Mega 2 that came with a mono monitor & a
>Triangle 40 MB Soft Innovation Hard disk. This is a autobooting
>type harddisk. On bootup the following sign-on messages appear.
> Traingle turbo drive PCML Ltd.
>Ver 1.2Er Room Boot RGH 12/9/88.
>* (This is a British made product)
>The drive works ok in ST mode. Next, my friend tried to install
>Spectre/128 system (V 1.9 Copyright 1988)that he bought quite long
>time when it was first introduced in the UK. He made five parti-
>tions. The first three are ST & the rest 2 are Spectre partitions.
>However, the Spectre program fails to recognise the hard disk &
>could not find any partitions at all.
I encountered the same problem with the same hard drive. I was
never able to overcome it and eventually bought a new drive.
The Triangle has other problems, basically its not a genuine SCSI
device. It will therefore not daisy chain with other drives (nor
presumably with an Atari Laser Printer, though we have not tried
this latter configuration). It also has problems with some
non-Triangle hard disc utilities software and we suspect
occasional bad interactions with some non-related software. We
still use the Triangle, apart from these problems of integration,
its a very nice drive unit. Small, reliable and VERY fast. Much
faster than anything else that we have. Forget quoted access
times, we have 11ms drives that work fine, the Triangle outruns
them all.
Power Computing (who took over Triangle) were extremely unhelpful,
objectionably so, I now never deal with them.
We have hard drives from 3rd Coast, Atari, Supra and Ladbrokes.
All work fine with Spectre and daisy chain with eachother.
Dennis
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via earn-relay is more reliable. The problem is that nimr is
unofficial, some nodes do not have it in their YP.
Real address is: @national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk
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