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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 442
Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 18 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 442
Today's Topics:
ATARI 1040STFM for SALE
Atari Mega ST 2 System for sale! (2 msgs)
ATARI MEGA STE
atarivir.291(where do you get the other docs?)
BCF77
BinHex on platforms other than mac???
DC (formatter?) (2 msgs)
diffs for GNU make 3.59
Lap-link type program? for ST/TT?
MEGA STE news
Minix?? Unix on ST??
Personal Pascal VS. Modula - 2
SPECTRE & SYSTEM 7 AND THE NEW SPECTRE 256
Spectre GCR and System 7
System 7 and Spectre GCR
TT printing
Turbo St
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Date: 18 Aug 91 23:57:32 GMT
From: ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@rutgers.rutgers.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd
*----)
Subject: ATARI 1040STFM for SALE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have the following for sale:
Atari 1040 STfm
- CPU /w keyboard
- 1 MG RAM
- built in 720K 3.5" floppy disk drive
- Mouse
- RS232C port
- MIDI port
- catridge 128K ROM port
- DMA hard drive port
- 2nd disk drive port
- RF port - for hooking up to color TV or VCR
--- $300 or best offer
and
Back Pack - utilities in catridge --- best offer
Procopy ST (copying software) --- $5.00 obo
ST-Talk (communication) --- $7.00 obo
Haba Check Minder (checking account reminder) --- $7.00 obo
Print Master Plus (graphics utility ) --- $10.00 obo)
Gnictron Football (Football Game) --- $7.00 obo
Space Shuttle (Game) --- $7.00 obo
Defender of the Crown (Game) --- $10.00 obo
Tanglewood (Game) --- $3.00 not working with TOS 1.0 and 1.6
The Darkness Rises (Game) --- $10.00 obo
Fast (ST Dos and other utilties) --- $7.00 obo
Dungeon Master (Game) --- $5.00 no manual but with maps and hints
Falcon (Game) --- $15.00 obo
Epstart (Macintosh Epson printer driver for Spectre ) --- $30 obo
VIP professional (Spreadsheet - Lotus 123 clone) --- $25.00 no manual
and
2 atari joysticks --- $5.00 each
dusk cover for 1040STFM free with the STFM
or $400 (obo) for the whole package
Buyer pay shippings.
Please e-mail to lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Some of the softwares do not have documentation.
Please e-mail me and make an offer for any items above.
Thanks.
..
Ling Cherd
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Date: 18 Aug 91 00:26:59 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!hgobioff@arizona.ed
u (Howard B. Gobioff)
Subject: Atari Mega ST 2 System for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a used Atari Mega ST 2 system for sale included is:
Atari Mega ST 2 CPU
KeyBoard
SM 124 Monochrome Display
SC 1224 Color Display
Monitor Master - Allows simple switching of displays
Software (original disks):
Flash
Populous
Laser C
Manhunter
Ikari Warrios
Micro C Shell
Paladin
Tempus Word Processor
I will see what documentation I can dig up for whomever ends up
with the system. I know I have the following documentation and
probably more : Laser C, Tempus, Micro C Shell.
This system has not been used for about a year so it is now time
to tell it. Anyone who is interested in making an offer for the
machine can contact me at hgobioff@wam.umd.edu or hgobioff@avw.umd.edu...
I wish to sell the system as a unit. Shipping arrangements would
have to be arranged with whoemever purchases the machine.
Howard Gobioff
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Date: 19 Aug 91 00:43:03 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!hgobioff@ames.arpa (Howard B. Gobioff)
Subject: Atari Mega ST 2 System for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a used Atari Mega ST 2 system for sale included is:
Atari Mega ST 2 CPU
KeyBoard
SM 124 Monochrome Display
SC 1224 Color Display
Monitor Master - Allows simple switching of displays
Software (original disks):
Flash
Populous
Laser C
Manhunter
Ikari Warrios
Micro C Shell
Paladin
Tempus Word Processor
I will see what documentation I can dig up for whomever ends up
with the system. I know I have the following documentation and
probably more : Laser C, Tempus, Micro C Shell.
This system has not been used for about a year so it is now time
to tell it. Anyone who is interested in making an offer for the
machine can contact me at hgobioff@wam.umd.edu or hgobioff@avw.umd.edu...
I wish to sell the system as a unit. Shipping arrangements would
have to be arranged with whoemever purchases the machine.
Howard Gobioff
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Date: 17 Aug 91 21:43:00 GMT
From: icd.ab.com!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as903@uunet.uu.net
(Bruce Urbanski)
Subject: ATARI MEGA STE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
mine has worked perfectly scince I got it.. Been using it for 4 months now..
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Date: 18 Aug 91 02:22:59 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@uunet.uu.net (Richard
Clarkson)
Subject: atarivir.291(where do you get the other docs?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I recently downloaded the file atarivir.291.
This is a doc file on atari viruses! Very well documented and full marks to
the authors!
It had info about other doc files :
atarivir.a89 Nov 15 1989
atarivir.b90 june 5 1990
Does anybody know what ftp site these other files are available from?
or could someone send them to me?
I got atarivir.291 from ftp 141.211.164.8
Many thanks in advanc
Richard Clarkson t821431@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
(AUSTRALIA)
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Date: 17 Aug 91 03:42:53 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!u
b!csn!ccncsu!lamar.colostate.edu!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: BCF77
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Helleo:
Does anyone knows about BC-FORTRAN 77? There seems to be a file called bcf77ata
in some European FTP sites, what's in it? How's it compares to the Prospre f77?
Does any US place handles it?
Thanks
Tang
sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 91 19:17:02 -0400
From: jmz@17.77.ucc.nau.edu
Subject: BinHex on platforms other than mac???
To: EAST"Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu"
unBinHexers are available in the sumex archive (sumex-aim.stanford.edu):
info-mac/unix/unsit-15.shar
info-mac/unix/unxbin.shar
info-mac/unix/xbin-25.shar
info-mac/unix/xbin-to-binary.shar
info-mac/unix/xbin.shar
_________ Jean-Marc Zucconi
| |\ /| /
| | \ / | / bitnet: zucconi@frobes51
| | \/ | / span: obsbea::jmz
| | | / internet: jmz@obsbea.dnet.nasa.gov
\_____ / o | |o /________ o or jmz%obsbea.dnet@east.gsfc.nasa.gov
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Date: 18 Aug 91 09:31:33 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
itt.edu!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko)
Subject: DC (formatter?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I thought of a very useful utility that maybe one of the Double-Click
programming masters can create - a Background formatter. What do I
mean by this? Well, there is an IBM program I found at msdos.archive
called CNFMT106 that is a TSR program. When a chosen hot-key is
pressed, a "format?" menu pops up - after you choose the format
you want (5.25, 3.5, 720k, etc) it begins formatting and drops you
back to DOS until it is done. When it is done, you can have
a window pop up telling you so. The nice thing about this kind
of a program is that you don't spend the entire day watching the
computer format disks -- the IBM version for example worked fine
behind Word Perfect, etc. Although the IBM version doesn't seem
to work under PC-ditto, not did it seem to work under the Supercharger
(maybe it has something to do directly with the drive?).
Anyways, hopefully an ST version is possible (sure would save
alot of time). Best bet would be to try the IBM version, and
work from there.
Well, that ought to keep minds frying for awhile....
Robert Anisko
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Date: 18 Aug 91 18:04:26 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa384@arizona.edu (Doug
Wokoun)
Subject: DC (formatter?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In a previous article, rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Robert J Anisko) says:
>
> I thought of a very useful utility that maybe one of the Double-Click
>programming masters can create - a Background formatter.
It's been done! It's called Mystic formatter and it's a DA version
of the DC Formatter. I think I got it from the Terminator archive.
--
Doug Wokoun / / | If you don't
(aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) [o]-[o] | stand for something,
||| L (((( STe )))) | you will
Atari / | \ S I G \___/ | fall for anything.
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Date: 17 Aug 91 02:31:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!p
acific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William
Rosenkranz)
Subject: diffs for GNU make 3.59
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
if anyone has diffs for GNU make 3.59 for gcc on the ST, could you
please send them to me? i have the (an?) executable, but wish to tailor
it to my environment. i have original source from prep.ai.mit.edu.
the version i have tries to spawn /bin/sh if it detects redirection
(i think). otherwise, this version seems fine, at least for my KISS
makefiles. i got the ttp from atari.archive.
also, can i make a general suggestion that if hard-coded paths to
executables and other files (make needs /bin/sh, appearently), that
we adopt a more favorable policy to make patching binaries possible?
for example, if you have:
char *file_name = "c:\\bin\\xxx.ttp";
that you instead use:
char *file_name = "c:\\bin\\xxx.ttp\0 ";
the \0 after the string truncates it and the spaces provide patch space.
include at least 64 total chars of space. this make life MUCH easier for
binary patching if u either 1) have no time to recompile, 2) don't have the
necessary tools to compile, or 3) don't have the skills to compile. sometimes
i find myself in all 3 categories :-).
thanx...
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
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Date: 16 Aug 91 14:53:51 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!ford@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Usher)
Subject: Lap-link type program? for ST/TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Why not connect your hard disk to the TT?
I realise that if the hard drive is an internal one, then this isn't possible.
The port on the TT into which to plug the ST hard drive is the one called DMA or
ASCI in the TT manual (The 15 pin one near the floppy port).
Steve
--
<-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 841503 -->
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Date: 18 Aug 91 12:26:26 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.colum
bia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!forwiss.uni-passau.de!scotty!wieninge@arizona.edu
(Christian Wieninger)
Subject: MEGA STE news
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello out there,
last week I called ATARI Germany in Raunheim. I asked ,if they know the
problems, which are familiar on the net. And what a supprise, they said,
that they know the problems. But there are no plans, how to get them fixed.
So we have to wait.
The problem of "flipping screen" is perhaps not only a hardware problem.
Today I checked the machine-code of the programs, where the problem occures.
As you know the screen flipps only on the left, when you switch the screen
to another. So there are two ways to make this:
- take XBIOS(5) SETSCREEN
- or adress directly the screenadress.
The best way is the first one. The second oner can make problems.
I searched for any xbios(5)-calls, and couldn't find one. So I think
the problem occures only if screenswitching is not made by
system-call(xbios(5)).
Please check too your programs and mail what you have found. I make a summarize.
Good luck to all, Christian.
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Date: 17 Aug 91 15:44:40 GMT
From: coplex!disk!unknown@uunet.uu.net (unknown)
Subject: Minix?? Unix on ST??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can anyone help me out here? I own one of the first 520ST's with TOS in
ROM (tos 1.0) and I haven't had access to usenet or any major atari news
for a few years.. If my questions take too much bandwidth to answer then
please mail me, but I have a feeling that others would also appreciate
these answers..
First, What is minix? Is it PD? And I've seen some message that said
you could run amiga and atari st binaries? Is that true? And can you run
unix? is it included? How compatible are all these things?
Second, what are the absolute best programs (PD and other) that would
be good to get? I need to get my ST up to date. I'm considering a 520 to
2.5 meg upgrade, but I'd like to know what's out there..
Third, I've read in magazines that Dave Small had such a problem with
people copying a software mac emulator that he made older versions PD..
Is this true? And where can I get PD versions of it?
Fourth, Is there a good PD (and ANSI standard compatable) Personal
Pascal editor/
gIo?'Fompiler? I have Lattice C for the ST, but next year in Highschool
I'm taking a class on pascal, and I'd like to be able to continue my work
at home.. Thanks!!
Also, anything else that an ST user should know, please tell me! Like,
how does one get a TOS upgrade to 1.4 or whatever the highest version is?
Is it on disk, or cartridge?
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Shawn Beltz :) :) :) The opinions expressed in this message are
unknown@disk.UUCP the opinions expressed in this message are
uunet!ukma!corpane!disk!unknown the opinions expressed in this message....
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Date: 17 Aug 91 22:54:30 GMT
From: atha!aunro!ersys!mforget@decwrl.dec.com (Michel Forget)
Subject: Personal Pascal VS. Modula - 2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello. How does Personal Pascal compare to Modula - 2 (the TDI version)
in terms of compiler efficiency? I've written a program in Personal
Pascal that uses entirely too much memory, and I think converting it to a
different language (one that I have) will result in a program that uses
less memory. Modula - 2 is the closest thing I have to Pascal, which
will make for a less painful conversion, so that is what I am hoping to
convert it to. Any ideas?
<< ---------------------------------- >>
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >>
<< Michel Forget >>
<< "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >>
<< ---------------------------------- >>
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 91 00:23:52 SST
From: "S. Suthipuntha" <AKISUJAR%NUSVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: SPECTRE & SYSTEM 7 AND THE NEW SPECTRE 256
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello from Singapore,
The Spectre might work with the Beta version of System 7. One netter in
England told me that he saw it running on hiss friend 1040STF. I have tried
the 'Rock Solid' version which I FTPed from Apple.COM since early June on both
Mega 4 and Mac IICi. There is no way that I could get it to work on the Mega 4/
Spectre GCR (As confirmed by Dave himself). On the Mac IICi although it works
quite well I got a lot of Line-F errors when running my existing Mac programs
and even with 5MB RAM on board I got a 'Memory low' message after running a few
programs due to all of them remain resident unless I properly quit each of them
after running. I am now change back to System 6.1.5 in order to make use of my
existing programs. I therefore do not see much point in using System 7 on Atari
/Spectre now especially when you can not use virtual memory. I have to add 6MB
virtual memory on top of the 5MB in my IICi to avoid the 'Memory Low' problem.
Regarding the 256 ROM for Spectre (or the Spectre 256)
In article <1991Aug16.175233.28468@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>I remember reading "way back when" and article by Dave Small in which
>he said that Apple made it VERY difficult to purchase 256K ROMS. Since
>his Spectre relies on the buyer being able to plug in Apple ROMs, it isn't
>surprising to me that he hasn't supported this yet. He is walking a very
and Chuck Richard responds:
Dave Small has been looking into the new Mac ROM clone chips being designed
by NuTek for their clone systems. NuTek has said publically that they make
their chips available for other clone makers that were interested, so if
they actually do get them out, Dave should have no problem using them for
the "Spectre 256".
bry@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (bryan.nystrom) also writes:
>I also read last night on GEnie that Dave is VERY seriously considering
>going after the 256K ROM emulation. He had put out "Feelers" about a
>month or so ago as to how much interest people would have in the 256K version
Aren't the 256K ROMs even harder to get a hold of than those 128K ROMs are
now? What good is a new cartridge to use it if we can't get the ROMs?
If you can recall there is a Third Party Mac Laptop called "Out Bound" which
when it first launch was advertised that it requires the usser to remove the
128K ROMs from the MAC Plus and link it to the ROMless Mac Plus when running
The Out Bound at home. However, their latest advertisement in Last month Mac
User states that The Out Bound caoms with 512K ROM. Could it be that they are
now using the Nu Tek Chip set? Otherwise how can they manage to get the 512K
Mac ROMs which is 32-BIT Clean ROM? I have been trying to get one for my friend
SE/30 but the Apple people here refused to sale or swap with his SE/30 SIMM
ROM card.
Another problem in using 256K or 512K ROM with Atari is that Atari Cartridge
port can only access(or address?) up to maximum 128K. Dave may have to use
DMA port or Expansion slot inside the Atari Mega or VME slot instead of the
usual cartridge port which means that the older Atari ST will not be able to
the New Spectre 256. Or is it possible to use the Disk drive port similar to
the A-MAX II on Amiga? Or could it plugged in to the extra 4 empty ROM sockets
on the Atari motherboard? I am sure that Dave must have the solution for it
already.
Hurry up Dave!!! We are all waiting.
Suthipuntha, School of Architecture, National University of Singapore
AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET
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Date: 17 AUG 91 17:11:32 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: Spectre GCR and System 7
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Ross Judd writes:
>
>I am trying to bring up the System 7 Mac operating system under
>Spectre 3.0. I built the System 7 version I am using to run on a
>MacPlus without printer and network services. So far no luck.
>Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
System 7.0 is on the very back burner as other projects have
greater priority. Dave Says that it can be fixed to work with
Spectre, but System 7.0 does so many different things that currently,
it just doesn't work. Much of the advise is to wait for the Mac
software to be upgraded and possibly wait til 7.0.1 is
released. Lots of things broke when 7.0 came out. Some fine tuning
needs to be done to 7.0 before things can really get serious.
Dave says it will be done. Just be patient. Such a significant
OS upgrade as 7.0 will require a wait. Recall that Spectre, by its
own right, is more or less a miracle in being able to do what it is
doing now.
I can wait. Actually, my views are flavored by the fact that
the local Mac SE's hard drive was trashed when System 7.0 was
installed. The Mac won't even recognize its own drive. I really
think that 7.0 needs to be worked on a bit more.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 15 Aug 91 18:09:37 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!uokmax!occrsh!fang!att!cbnewsd!cbfsb!cbn
ewsf.cb.att.com!bry@arizona.edu (bryan.nystrom)
Subject: System 7 and Spectre GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <31604@know.pws.bull.com>, by JUDD@CC49.CRL.AECL.CA:
> Help!
>
> I am trying to bring up the System 7 Mac operating system under Spectre 3.0.
I
> built the System 7 version I am using to run on a MacPlus without printer and
> network services. So far no luck.
>
> Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Ross Judd (juddr@crl.aecl.ca)
Dave Small has stated on GEnie that System 7 presently does not work
under Spectre 3.0. He said that he will be spending more time on that
problem when he gets the SST ( 030 project ) out the door.
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Date: 18 Aug 91 03:05:46 GMT
From: ludwig.sharebase.com!glenn@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Glenn Linderman)
Subject: TT printing
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
So, I finally got my TT030! My current programming project gets loaded on,
and runs slower than on my Mega...until I rework the memory allocation to
fast RAM, and then it generates a complete screen of graphics before the Mega
starts (given simultaneous commands) to even update the screen. All is
wonderful...until I try to print.
Even from the Desktop, double-clicking on a text file, it says printing that
file, delays proportionally to the length of the file, and quits.
Nothing appears on paper. I test the printer from another computer (1040 ST),
the printer works fine. I try the computer with another printer, no difference.
Both printers work fine with the ST. Neither works with the TT. I try a
shorter cable, still nothing. Printers are Epson GQ3500, Toshiba 341.
Desktop printer configuration is to the parallel port. Any clues?
2nd problem: I plug the modem cable in to write this message from the TT. As
I do so, I hear a disheartening disk spin down...the modem port is right under
the power cord, and apparently jiggling the power cord caused either a short
or an open...and it wouldn't turn on for several minutes after...I eventually,
after delays and more jiggling got it to turn back on. Anybody else seen this?
Glenn Linderman glenn@sharebase.com 408-378-7575 x2366
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Date: 18 Aug 91 05:28:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory
@arizona.edu
Subject: Turbo St
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>
>> Can any one tell me if Turbo St by Softrek is still around,
>> if so what is the latest Version..
>>
SofTrek is still around, I have version 1.82 and think Turbo is up to
1.83 or 1.84. SofTrek is at P.O. Box 5257, Winter Park, Florida,
32793, phone 407-657-4611. As I recall, upgrades are about $10 US with
your old disk.
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