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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 6 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 424
Today's Topics:
2.5 Meg ST for Sale (loaded)
<None> (3 msgs)
Atari CD-ROM? (2 msgs)
C-manship
Dialog Boxes
Fractint
Info-Atari16 Digest V91
Laser C source level debugger
lynx
Maxtor in TT
MINIX/TT
nothing in particular
PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC (4 msgs)
Plea for help <-- dead 1040!
Spectre GCR
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Date: 5 Aug 91 21:19:12 GMT
From: uupsi!stiatl!iam@rice.edu (Ian Mercado)
Subject: 2.5 Meg ST for Sale (loaded)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
FOR SALE:
Atari 1040 ST w/2.5 meg upgradable to 4
2 megs worth of 1Mbit 150ns chips
50 megs of hard drive storage all in one SH204 case
1 QMI Deskcart cartridge w/ battery backed up clock (Brand new battery)
1 external DS floppy drive
1 SC1224 Color Monitor
1 SM124 Monochrome monitor
1 Astra monitor switching device
1 Atari joystick
Boxes and boxes of disks
Best REASONABLE offer takes it all.
--
-------- ---- ---- -- | Ian Mercado: iam@stiatl.salestech.com |
-- - - ----- -- | emory!stiatl!iam |
-- -------- -- ----- | |
-------- -- -- -- ---- | "Can't keep my mind from the circling sky" |
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Date: 6 Aug 91 14:27:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.roches
ter.edu!lchd_ltd@arizona.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----)
Subject: <None>
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1266.289e2de7@vger.nsu.edu> ** Sender Unknown ** writes:
>
> When I recently upgraded my NeoDesk to patch 3.02, I
> I seem to recall a discussion of the problem of finding an
> If Atari ever wants to rerelease WUP, it has a lot to do. Fix
> Oh yeah, moral of this story, when debugging a NeoDesk
>Path:
uvaarpa!haven.umd.edu!ames!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!kir
a!news
>From: pegram@kira.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram)
>Subject: Word Up 3.0 and the PATH
>Message-ID: <1991Aug5.201253.22070@uvm.edu>
>Sender: news@uvm.edu
>Organization: Univ. of Vermont, Eng., Math., and Bus. Admin. (EMBA) Computer
Facility
>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 91 20:12:53 GMT
>Lines: 8
>
>Sometimes I wonder if it's all worth it; then I look at a bare desktop
>8-).
>
>Bob Pegram
>
>pegram@{griffin,kira,sadye,newton}.uvm.edu
> or
>...!uvm-gen!pegram
BOB!!!ENOUGH!!!CALM DOWN!!!
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Date: 6 Aug 91 15:21:28 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kurto
@arizona.edu
Subject: <None>
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug6.142734.10109@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) writes:
> In article <1266.289e2de7@vger.nsu.edu> ** Sender Unknown ** writes:
>
> BOB!!!ENOUGH!!!CALM DOWN!!!
Guys, I don't think Bob keeps posting this. I would guess a mailer/news
posting problem. So lets not take it out on Bob, OK? Talk to your news
manager and see if you can figure out how to kill it (like sending out
cancelation notices? or maybe something else.)
Kurt Olsen
kurto@cc.usu.edu
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Date: 6 Aug 91 15:27:57 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kurto
@arizona.edu
Subject: <None>
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug6.092129.48651@cc.usu.edu>, kurto@cc.usu.edu writes:
> In article <1991Aug6.142734.10109@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) writes:
>> In article <1266.289e2de7@vger.nsu.edu> ** Sender Unknown ** writes:
>>
[Stuff about being nice, blah, blah, blah]
>
> Kurt Olsen
> kurto@cc.usu.edu
Look at the message. It has two paths, I think that Bob's message somehow
got slapped on top of, but not completely covering someone elses message.
Also check your message ID's for the various message of subject <None>, they
are all different. So you might want to place something in your kill
files to temporarily wipe these suckers out. Then once they've been expired
from the net, we can remove those from our kill files. What to put in the
kill file, I don't know, any suggestions? Or any other ideas about getting
rid of these messages?
Kurt Olsen
kurto@cc.usu.edu
PS - Bob, I'm not trying to get you "black-listed" (ie. stuck in everyones kill
files), but these do need to be taken care of, somehow.
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Date: 6 Aug 91 17:50:41 GMT
From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Atari CD-ROM?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug5.124752.6807@csv.viccol.edu.au> gjocc@csv.viccol.edu.au
writes:
> I noticed with interest the release of the CDTV from Commodore.
> ...I have seen magazine articles on computer games in development for the
> CDTV, that sound very impressive.
> Commodore seem to be pushing this multi-media hype stuff pretty hard,
> if it catches on I could be persuaded to by a CDTV for the mega games
> that will be available.
Before you run out and buy a CDTV please wait for CD-I (Compact Disc
Interactive). CD-I, the next generation of CD player (developed by
Philips, Sony, and Matsushita) will play current audio CDs as well as
mega-games and full-motion video (roughly VHS quality). Probably
advantages over CDTV are that the nine largest consumer electronics firms
in the world will be producing CD-I players, so the software support should
be tremendous. Availability is slated for October in Europe, probably a few
months later in the US (but I could be wrong either way).
> It seems to me that a STE with CD-ROM and the right software could
> perform similar functions.
CD-I players are based on the 68340 chip, a derivative of the 68020, and
CD-RTOS, a specialized version of OS-9. Since the STE (or TT) can both
run OS-9, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for either machine to be
CD-I compatible, though it might take some additional hardware (on a VME
card?) to support the full motion video.
--
##############################################################################
# Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill #
# Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 #
############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################
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Date: 7 Aug 91 00:10:33 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!boblu@uunet.uu.net (Robert Luneski)
Subject: Atari CD-ROM?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1896@mwca.UUCP> bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) writes:
>
>Before you run out and buy a CDTV please wait for CD-I (Compact Disc
>Interactive). CD-I, the next generation of CD player (developed by
>Philips, Sony, and Matsushita) will play current audio CDs as well as
>mega-games and full-motion video (roughly VHS quality). Probably
>advantages over CDTV are that the nine largest consumer electronics firms
>in the world will be producing CD-I players, so the software support should
>be tremendous. Availability is slated for October in Europe, probably a few
>months later in the US (but I could be wrong either way).
>
Before you hold your breath for the introduction of CD-I, consider that
Phillips has been promising it's imminent introduction for the last three
years. Sound like any company we know? Nah.... :-)
____________________________________________________________________________
Bob Luneski boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM Genie: B.LUNESKI1
The opinions expressed herein are my own and in no way reflect the
opinions of Tektronix, Inc.
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Date: 6 Aug 91 22:41:35 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!galileo.cc.ro
chester.edu!news@arizona.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----)
Subject: C-manship
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Looking for a used C-manship.
Please e-mail me if you have one to sell.
Thanks.
..
Ling Cherd
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Date: 6 Aug 91 16:16:52 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!zvm
055@arizona.edu (U.Kuehn)
Subject: Dialog Boxes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug6.015143.20026@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
says:
>Dialogue boxes would open and close and disappear, but
>anything printed under the dialogue box would disappear when it
>closed. Now that I have a new VDI workstation and window openning
>up the dialogue boxes don't disappear after they're closed.
>So far I haven't seen anything in the manuals that would account
>for this (the Lattice C manuals I've been talking about that is).
When you have reserved the area under the box using form_dial() and give this
area back after closing the box, the GEM will send a redraw message to the
former owner of this area. If it was the desktop, the the owner is GEM and it
draws the background over all which was there to hide the box.
If there was a window, the owning application has to redraw it for GEM does
not save anything exept under dropdown-menues and alert-boxes.
Ulrich
+---------------+----------------------------+-----------+
| Ulrich Kuehn | Internet: | no MOTD |
| Stud.Math.Inf | kuehn@math.uni-muenster.de | found yet |
+---------------+----------------------------+-----------+
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Date: 6 Aug 91 13:53:37 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!agate!linus!linus!mbunix
.mitre.org!cazier@arizona.edu (Cazier)
Subject: Fractint
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
This is posted for a friend:
A *long* while back I saw someone talking about having converted FRACTINT to
the Atari ST. From the messages, it appeared nearly done. But, I never saw any
posting about a finished product. I was wondering what happened to it. If it
did get posted then is there an internet ftp site for it? Please e-mail the
response since I don't access the "atari" group at all.
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 91 11:59:52 MST
From: <ICBMK%ASUACAD.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91
To: <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
From: Bonnie M. Klassen
Library Specialist
Arizona State University
UNSUBSCRIBE INFO A16
Bonnie M. Klassen (602) 965-1892
In-Reply-To: note of 08/06/91 11:28
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Date: 6 Aug 91 14:02:38 GMT
From: van-bc!jonh!jhenders@uunet.uu.net (John Henders)
Subject: Laser C source level debugger
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <3216@cod.NOSC.MIL>, Mike Healy writes:
>Does anybody have Megamax's current phone number and mail address?
Last time I called it was 1-(214)-699-7400
--
John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
Vancouver,B.C or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
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Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:30 GMT
From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
(Chuck Schul)
Subject: lynx
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
where are all the new softs people!!!
----
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Date: 6 Aug 91 14:18:25 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf)
Subject: Maxtor in TT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi there!
I need some harddisk help:
I want to change my built-in Seagate ST157N-1 and to replace it
with my new Maxtor LXT 213 SY. My machine is an Atari TT030/6
with TOS 3.01, diskdriver AHDI 4.0.
I got only one data sheet with the disk, it says (in german):
Jumpersetting:
...
Jumper 5 (PIN 9,10) activates the Parity (cannot be switched off)
Jumper 4 (PIN 7,8) chooses the spin power option
Questions:
1. I know that the ICD Host Adaptor (often used to connect the
ST 157N-1 with a Mega ST) is not able to drive a SCSI disk without
paritity. This is an information from ICD Germany.
Will the host adaptor in the TT (bought 11/91) be able to drive
my new 210 MB disk?
2. What does Jumper 4 mean???
Thank for your replies, i won't install the new disk before!
BTW: Does somebody know how to connect the ST157N-1 with my Megafile 44?
I want to install it in the same case, are there any built in frames to
hold the disk?
Thanks Bernhard
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Date: 6 Aug 91 07:31:10 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!cstw18!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans
Meulenbroeks)
Subject: MINIX/TT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
Since mentioning MINIX/TT several people asked about its state and
availability. Well, here are some of the answers on the frequently
answered questions.
1) Does MINIX/TT exist?
Yes, from a certain point of view it is. I have it running on my
system. However it is not yet finished.
2) Have parts of MINIX/TT been posted to the net.
No. I don't consider it "good enough"
3) Is there another way to get a copy?
Mmm. Depends. If you can live with the current version and you have
MINIX/ST we can arrange that I send you some diffs to this version.
As a return favour I'd like to hear from you how you are going with
it. Do not ask for a copy if you do not feel competent to hack the
kernel. Also please give me some motivation what you want to do with
the stuff. Remember that every request I have to deal with costs
some time, which cannot be used for further developments of MINIX/TT
Also please describe your hardware.
4) What is the current state of MINIX/TT
It works. That is, every MINIX/ST program runs on it.
It supports external asci hard disks, and probably one serial
port (I still have to convert from 25 pin cables to 9 pin cables).
I suppose the printer will also work, but I don't have a parallel
printer to test this out.
5) What needs to be done?
Quite a lot:
- support fast ram (there is some code, but it need to be polished)
- support the real time clock
- make use of the mmu and remove the shadowing code
- support the internal hard disk (scsi port)
- support the additional rs232 ports
- clean up stvdu and the font stuff to deal with the TT resolutions.
6) When will this be finished?
No idea. Hopefully somewhere this autumn. remeber this is an
evening job, and that my time is rather limited.
Hope this informs you all a little.
PS: something unrelated: if you read to here, you probably own a TT.
If so, and if you know/have a nice demo which demonstrates the TT
capabilities (e.g. a nice graphic or sound demo), please mail me
a copy. Thanks.
--
Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl)
Philips Research Laboratories
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Date: 6 Aug 91 16:46:00 GMT
From: lewhoosh.umd.edu!jeffy@umd5.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Subject: nothing in particular
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Oh dear, chuckie@pro-odyssey seems to have shown up again. This time he
drools, amongst rationalizations for wanting to pirate software:
>has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and
>company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any
>policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we
>all feel.
Or maybe it has something to do that Alan Pratt, who does most of the posting
from Atari, works in the R&D *technical* side of Atari and has nothing to
do with decisions about how longs products are witheld and various other
business decisions. What a concept!
Jeff
--
|Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen |
| | Laughing, loving, |
|jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe |
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Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:24 GMT
From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
(Chuck Schul)
Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and
company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any
policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we
all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would
catch on !!what a concept!!!!!
----
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UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
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Date: 6 Aug 91 16:29:03 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!news
@arizona.edu (Todd C. Miller)
Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug6.111624.769@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
(Chuck Schul) writes:
>In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
>
>has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and
>company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any
>policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we
>all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would
>catch on !!what a concept!!!!!
Could it be that they are programmers and not PR types? Yeah, that's the ticket
Lets not lose a great source of (technical) information by alienating A. Pratt
and Ken B. Remember, they don't get paid to answer questions on the net.
- todd
--
Todd C. Miller | "But all the politiCIAns now
millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | They have no excuse
al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | They just hide behind their power
University of Colorado @ Boulder | And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn
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Date: 6 Aug 91 18:54:25 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!b.ee.engr.uky.edu!parsons@arizona.edu (Greg Parsons)
Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug6.111624.769@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
(Chuck Schul) writes:
>In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
>
>has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and
>company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any
>policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we
>all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would
>catch on !!what a concept!!!!!
>----
Considering that they give a hell of a lot better input to
this newsgroup than you have, you shouldn't criticize. However,
the answer to your question could be:
1) Because they are not in charge of releasing products
2) Because they aren't allowed to release policy information
3) Because it's not their job. (See number one).
4) Because they hate YOU.
I suppose it would be silly of me to tell you to get a spell-checker.
--
parsons@b.ee.engr.uky.edu
Born with a steering wheel in my hand, and lead in my feet!
The small furry one... Rat
All statements belong to someone, who I'm not quite sure.....
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Date: 6 Aug 91 22:19:48 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!caen!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns
.ca!morgan.ucs.mun.ca!garfield!david10@arizona.edu (David Churchill)
Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Aug6.111624.769@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
(Chuck Schul) writes:
>In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
>
>has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and
>company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any
>policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we
>all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would
>catch on !!what a concept!!!!!
Maybe it's because they are technical personnel (i.e programmers) and not
in marketing? If the marketing personnel were on Usenet, would you ask them
technical questions about hardware and/or software? Chances are, they wouldn't
know the answers anymore than Mr. Pratt et al know about Atari's marketing
strategies (if they have one :-)).
Now, if Bob Brodie could get Usenet access . . .
Dave C
>----
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--
Dave Churchill DoD #266 CS Undergrad
david10@garfield.cs.mun.ca Memorial University of Newfoundland
ar473@freenet.cleveland.edu St. John's, Nfld. Canada
"I'm always sober enough to know when I'm drunk." - Andy Capp
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Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:18 GMT
From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
(Chuck Schul)
Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In-Reply-To: message from thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
sounds like the atari 800 cart needed to be opened and cleaned the contacts
to me!!
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Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:14 GMT
From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
(Chuck Schul)
Subject: Spectre GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In-Reply-To: message from ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
at the same time can you run the apple 2 emulator on the mac on specture(2
in a amac?)
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