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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 7 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 256
Today's Topics:
BACKING UP HARD DRIVE TO VCR TAPE
CodeHead Software Util.s
Curious..
Drawing, plotting, ...?
Mark Williams
Mark Williams C (2 msgs)
Must Sell Atari COlor!!
Professional GEM series...
sale
sorry
Sounds files from Australia
SPC <--> GIF
Spectre GCR - Transverter loses data.
The 16/32-bit Computer Support Team
TOS Command Line
USENET mail order service???
version Mark Williams
Which monitors can use TT high res?
WordPerfect update - STe support
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Date: Tue, 7 May 91 20:37:12 +0200
From: Z07801%BBRBFU01.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: BACKING UP HARD DRIVE TO VCR TAPE
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear prudence,
I have try the DVT VCR from Seymor/Radix system without success.
I must say that in Belgium we use the PAL system for the VCR. As far
as I know the system comes from USA (NTSC) and was adapted in
France (SECAM).
I have send to the vendor some software remark, but no new release
is annonced, .... Bad news.
More precision available on request :-]
Patrick, INSTALLE
> V.U.B BITNET : Z07801@BBRBFU01.BITNET<
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Date: 7 May 91 17:01:00 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!midway!msuinfo!kira!schultzd@arizona.ed
u (Count Zero ... Interrupt)
Subject: CodeHead Software Util.s
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Just a small defense of GDOS...
It was said that G+Plus is better than GDOS because it doesn't load
all the fonts at bootup like GDOS does. Well, GDOS doesn't load all
the fonts at boot-up.
From what I've heard, G+Plus is much better than GDOS. However, the
loading of the fonts isn't included in that reason...
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Date: 7 May 91 19:55:37 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.
edu!csn!ub!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v053qhyx@arizona.edu (Jeremy A Berger)
Subject: Curious..
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi... I'm debating selling my 1040ST and was curious what I could get
for it... so I'm taking offers for the following:
Preferably as a system but will seperate if necessary..
1040ST 2.5 megs tos 1.4, with clock chip
sm1224 Color Monitor(One of the original color monitors..)
sm124 monochrome monitor, panasonic kxp1091 printer, atari SH204 20 meg hard
drive. Best mouse,1200 baud modem,
Timeworks Destop Publisher, WordUp, Spectre 128
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Date: 7 May 91 22:33:32 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@uunet.uu.net (Warwick
Allison)
Subject: Drawing, plotting, ...?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>> (a) some kind of vector oriented drawing tool, like
>> good ol' Gem Draw (perhaps improved?) or something like that.
>If this isn't available perhaps someone could co-ordinate all you GEM
>boys out there to write such a beast..
I'll write it if someone gives me some METAFILE documentation. I am in
desperate need of a Metafile editor.
Anyone!?
Warwick.
--
_-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.-._/ University of Queensland,
v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
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Date: 7 May 91 13:44:53 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun2!galaxy!smaal@uunet.uu.net (Wouter Smaal)
Subject: Mark Williams
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does any body know what is the latest version for Mark Williams C (Atari
ST) ? I Use version 1.1 and is upgraded to 3.0 ('88).
I asked my local ST dealer, but he doesn't know. (unknown who is the
current distributor in Holland for Mark Williams C) ...
--
E-Mail-To: smaal@duttnph.tudelft.nl
P-Mail-To: Delft Univ. of Tech., Lorentzweg 1, 2628 CJ Delft, Holland
V-Mail-To: 31-(0)15-782031, 31-(0)15-781416, Fax 31-(0)15-626740
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Date: 7 May 91 13:19:17 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun2!galaxy!smaal@uunet.uu.net (Wouter Smaal)
Subject: Mark Williams C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
What is the latest version of Mark Williams C (for the Atari ST).
I use version 1.1 updated (in '88) to 3.0.
I asked my local ST dealer, but it is unknown who is the current
distributor in Holland for Mark Williams C ...
Regards,
Wouter Smaal
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E-Mail-To: smaal@duttnph.tudelft.nl
P-Mail-To: Delft Univ. of Tech., Lorentzweg 1, 2628 CJ Delft, Holland
V-Mail-To: 31-(0)15-782031, 31-(0)15-781416, Fax 31-(0)15-626740
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--
Regards,
Wouter Smaal
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Date: 7 May 91 13:30:31 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun2!galaxy!smaal@uunet.uu.net (Wouter Smaal)
Subject: Mark Williams C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
What is the latest version of Mark Williams C (for the Atari ST).
I use version 1.1 updated (in '88) to 3.0.
I asked my local ST dealer, but it is unknown who is the current
distributor in Holland for Mark Williams C ...
Wouter Smaal
E-Mail-To: smaal@duttnph.tudelft.nl
P-Mail-To: Delft Univ. of Tech., Lorentzweg 1, 2628 CJ Delft, Holland
V-Mail-To: 31-(0)15-782031, 31-(0)15-781416, Fax 31-(0)15-626740
--
Regards,
Wouter Smaal
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Date: 7 May 91 17:22:44 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!csus.edu!ucdavis!csusac!csuchico
.edu!neonman@arizona.edu (Justin DuBois)
Subject: Must Sell Atari COlor!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Must Sell!! Atari Color Monitor!!!
SC1224: Great Picture, Better Image than the newer ones
No repairs, No problems.
$250 or best offer!,
willing to come down on price If you pay shipping.
note: I am moving to NY and I dont want to haul this with me. The monitor
has been used in a non-Smoking environment. Quite Clean (a little dust)
please call me voice, (916)898-4166, or leave me E-mail
neonman@ecst.csuchico.edu
Thanks Justin...
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Date: 7 May 91 17:10:21 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!netcomsv!rcb@arizona.edu (Roy Bixler)
Subject: Professional GEM series...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <6485@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> rmacgreg@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sorcerer)
writes:
>At last! I apologise for the delay, but the copy of the files I was sent
>got deleted by accident and I've only just managed to get my backup back onto
>the system. Having said that the archive is just over 200K long, so it is a
>biggy. Anybody with ftp access can find it at atari.archive, directory:
>/atari/programming. The files are progem.arc and prosrc.arc.
There is another copy of the Progem series under
'gnustuff/tos/progem.LZH'. This copy needs 'proff' to be printed out,
but it contains 17 sections (the one in the 'programming' directory
only has the first 13), the programming samples in appedices and an
index.
--
Roy Bixler
rcb@netcom.com -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb
"Just when you think you know it all, it changes!"
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Date: 7 May 91 20:04:58 GMT
From: uhura.cc.rochester.edu!ub!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v053qhyx@cs.rochester.edu
(Jeremy A Berger)
Subject: sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi.. Sorry about That I forgot some software
Spectre 128 with roms, Hard Drive with lots of programs P.D. and
non P.D. will include all docs of course!
Dungeon Master, Gauntlet, Datamanager St... Haba Checkbook balancer(yes
someone still has it..)lots of spectrum pictures, HD accelerator, MT cshell
Micro C Shell, Cad3d, Regentbase 2..Zoomracks I and II, etc.. lots more..
make a bid and its yours!
Jeremy
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Date: 7 May 91 13:56:18 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun2!galaxy!smaal@uunet.uu.net (Wouter Smaal)
Subject: sorry
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Because my mailer mails me that the (MarK Williams) posted article was
failed, I repeated it more then once (.signature problem), sorry ....
Wouter Smaal
--
E-Mail-To: smaal@duttnph.tudelft.nl
P-Mail-To: Delft Univ. of Tech., Lorentzweg 1, 2628 CJ Delft, Holland
V-Mail-To: 31-(0)15-782031, 31-(0)15-781416, Fax 31-(0)15-626740
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Date: 7 May 91 18:31:42 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid)
Subject: Sounds files from Australia
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
I FTP a lot and have found a site in Australia which contains sound
files of some sort. But the extender is .au which I assume means Australian
University since that is the site. This is not an ST site, they have many
GIFS and sound files though. Has anyone tried to use these files on the
ST. I ask because most are very ( 600 - 800K ) songs and I would rather ask
than try and fail ( 2400 baud is slow ). Anyone with any info, please Email.
Thanks,
Stephan
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\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves Salamanders Are Cool...
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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Date: 7 May 91 20:10:28 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: SPC <--> GIF
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
There are several Spectrum512 --> GIF and GIF --> Spectrum512 coverters,
but does any one have programs that handles 4096 (on STE). I digitize
pictures to Spectrum with 4096 colors on my STE but the SPC2GIF converter
doesn't understand the extra STE color-bit and messes everything ut (of
course I can save them with just 512 colors, but then the result is so much
worse and the GIF picture gets worse to...) i would also like a GIF to
Spectrum converter that use all 4096 colors on the STE (SPCSLIDE that comes
with Spectrum does handle STE palett - Why no other programs....)
Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________
Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: 7 May 91 11:24:46 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!root44!praxis!cged!johnr@uunet.uu.net (John Richards)
Subject: Spectre GCR - Transverter loses data.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am running Spectre GCR 2.65. I have a hard disc with four ST partitions
and two Mac HFS partitions. When I use the Transverter program to move a file
from an ST partition to a Mac floppy (MFS format), a part of the file gets
lost.
The files I am moving are PostScript files of about 100K in size.
Typically, I lose a few hundred bytes in one lump, somewhere in the middle
of the file. I get no warnings or messages; the first I notice is that the
printer doesn't understand the PostScript. It seems to happen nearly every
time. I've had to switch to a different method of getting my files to the
printer. Can anyone suggest what is going wrong?
Some more info: my floppy drive seems to behave itself most of the time.
Occasionally, I get a Mac floppy corrupted and when I try to read it on a
real Mac, it complains the disc is unreadable. Might be linked, might not.
I sent off for Spectre 3.0 a few weeks ago. Might this help when I get it?
--
John Richards
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Date: 7 May 91 21:53:13 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!xx004@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Atari SIG)
Subject: The 16/32-bit Computer Support Team
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
INTRODUCING...
______ ______
/ \ / \
/________\ /________\
| ______ | | ______ |
||Atari || ||Atari ||
|| Mega|| _||ST,STe||
||______|| | ||______||
/|________|\ | |________|
/____________\ /
|_/|\_ _--_ | / _____________
_|____________| | |/////////////|
| \|/////////////|
\ ____________ _ |_____________|\
|/////////// | \ | /////////___| |
|LLLLLLLL LLL| _ |LLLLLLLLL LLL| _
|LLLLLLLL LLL||'| |LLLLLLLLL LLL||'|
|_[____]_____| - |_[_____]_____| -
16/32-bit Computer Support Team
The 16/32-bit Computer Support Team is a group of individuals on the
Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG dedicated to bring in the most important
information for your Atari ST,STe,Mega,Mega/STe,STacy, and TT
computer around!
This is no joke. The 16/32-bit Computer Support Team is extremely
serious in what it is trying to do and is doing it for everyone, including
themselves.
The 16/32-bit Support Team's main goal is to create an information source
for all Atari users.
Have you ever NEEDED reviews for certain software and hardware but
didn't know where to find them?
Do you want a bulletin board that has only the MOST valuable information
coming from Usenet, CompuServe, and GEnie?
How about ONLY the most valuable information taken from online magazines
(with credit of course) posted to the bulletin board so you can keep up
with everything without READING everything?
What about a summary section that gives you more information on a product
than just the name?
And how about a Tips & Tricks section that tells you all kinds of
things that you can do with your computer that you never knew?
And lastly- would you like to see a Support Team for Atari Computers that
is so powerful that even Atari Corporation will listen to what they
have to say?
A 16/32-bit Computer Support Team is forming with goals that its members
are determined to reach. The Support Team already has a system that will
hold all of this information and it is accessible through Internet. There
is already a "16/32-bit Info & Support" area established on this system for
the Support Team.
There is no enthusiasm for computers like Atari computers.
The users are a VERY unique breed and that is why an unheard of Support Team
like this can be formed.
So, how can the Atari 16/32-bit Computer Support Team help you get the
most out of your computer?
The Support Team works by a system called synergy. Each team member
does a part to contribute to the success of the goals set by the team.
Each person in the team knows that he or she could not get A LOT of reviews
or summaries by themselves to meet their needs. If a team member has
only collected two reviews on MIDI software and there are four other
software titles that he has not read about that could satisfy his needs,
he would be missing out- especially if someone else has those reviews.
If both these people get together and post the reviews in a certain area,
they can get the most out of it by sharing information that each other
had. The more people, the more reviews that can be shared.
This is what the Atari 16/32-bit Computer Support Team is all about.
It makes sense!
If a team member goes to the Atari SIG on GEnie and another member goes
to the Atari SIG on Compuserve, they can post messages in the Cleveland
Free-Net Atari 16/32-bit Computer Support Area to trade information that
the other has not received. A person who does not call Compuserve or GEnie
but writes reviews for products can trade his reviews for their Compuserve
and GEnie information. Everyone benefits by joining the 16/32-bit
Computer Support Team.
Not a bad idea, aye? But if it is such a good idea, why hasn't it been
done before? It hasn't been done before because there was no
organization before. Now there is! And it can work like a powerful tool
for each and every one of us.
What can you do to be a part of this "Atari 16/32-bit Support Team"?
You can become a team member! As a team member, you will be contributing
a little and gaining a vast amount of information.
Can you imagine if you joined the Support Team, contributed 4 reviews
and there were nineteen other team members who did the same? There would
be 80 reviews for you to search through anything you need anytime you may need
it. This goes for EVERY SINGLE ASPECT that the Support Team has to offer-
not just reviews. Now let's take even a higher number. What if there were
fifty people that contributed 4 reviews to the Support review section?
That is 200 reviews that can be obtained by you and you only had to
give 4 reviews. The number can grow tremendously by more people joining
the Support Team without you having to do any more work.
This message is originating from the Atari SIG account on the Cleveland
Free-Net Community Computer System.
If you would like to make the most out of your Atari Computer and start
something that other computer owners could only dream about, reply to this
message and find out what you can do as a team member to reach the goals set.
Get the most, why stay with less?
Thanks,
Atari 16/32-bit Computer
Support Team
--
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Date: 7 May 91 22:52:08 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!lll-wink
en!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu (Michel Forget)
Subject: TOS Command Line
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know how to use the Pexec function so that it will take a
command line longer than 80 charactes. I am writing a program that will
require longer command lines, but I'm stumped on this one. The
documentation that I have does not mention anything about command lines
longer than 80 characters, yet they are possible...
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< or in the language that PEOPLE use >>
<< Michel Forget...:) >>
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Date: 7 May 91 15:32:58 GMT
From:
lll-winken!aunro!alberta!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bright@uunet.uu.net
(Bob Bright)
Subject: USENET mail order service???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <kc9P9j600VAyI12EVd@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
writes:
> I have recently been toying around with an idea. I have the facility to
>get most current ST software and hardware at wholesale, and was thinking
>that maybe, since there are so few dealers of ST stuff lately, and not
>everyone subscribes to STart or some other source of mailorder
>advertising, that I might offer a sort of USENET ST mail order service.
>
> Question: Does anyone think this goes against USENET ethics about
>commercial advertsing, etc.?
> Question: Would anyone be interseted?
This sounds like a very good idea to me. An on-line mail
order service would be a very convenient source of info on price/
availability of software etc. for all netters. If Mark can provide a
good range of stuff at decent prices, and make a few bucks in the
bargain, I think we'd all win big.
The rub is that regular posting of a mail order catalog
*would* violate news guidelines for commercial postings, which allow
for only 1 short announcement of a product or service. I can't see
any objection, though, to maintaining a mailing list for the catalog,
or else setting up a simple mail server that would allow people to
explicitly request it. (If you decide to go the mailing list route,
Mark, please add my name to the list. :-) Perhaps a line or two could
be added to the FAQ document informing new users of the service.
This, plus a little "word of CRT" advertising in c.s.a.st ("Hey, I
just got the latest version of Blibbleglitz from Mark Choi for $4;
great game!") should keep you in business.
BBB
--
Bob Bright <bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Man R3T 2N2 (204) 474-9105
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Date: 7 May 91 13:38:08 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun2!galaxy!smaal@uunet.uu.net (Wouter Smaal)
Subject: version Mark Williams
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
What is the latest version of Mark Williams C (for the Atari ST).
I use version 1.1 and is updated (in '88) to 3.0.
I asked my local ST dealer, but it is unknown who is the current
distributor in Holland for Mark Williams C ...
Wouter Smaal
--
Regards,
Wouter Smaal
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Date: 6 May 91 01:50:46 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!mips!daver!dlb!netcomsv!rcb@ariz
ona.edu (Roy Bixler)
Subject: Which monitors can use TT high res?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May6.010100.9329@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>I know that the TT has a really high-res mode (more than a 1200 by
>600? pixels), and I know that Atari is (or will be) selling a
I read it was 1200x960.
>monitor which takes advantage of it. My question is, is there
>a reason why only Atari's monitor can be used with the TT high res,
>and if so, is it available and how much does it cost?
Along the same lines, does Atari sell a monitor that can take
advantage of the 1200x960 monochrome and the 640x400 color mode? If
there's no Atari monitor which does this, are there any multi-sync
alternatives?
>Jim
>yegerleh@mn.ecn.purdue.edu
>
> "Laufet Brueder, Eure Bahn,
> Freudig wie ein Held zum Siegen!"
> - Friedrich v. Schiller
>
>--
>__ __ | |
> \ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner
> \/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House
> | `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906
--
Roy Bixler
rcb@netcom.com -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb
"Just when you think you know it all, it changes!"
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Date: 7 May 91 13:45:46 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net
Subject: WordPerfect update - STe support
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May7.025043.13220@milton.u.washington.edu>
iho@akbar.cac.washington.edu (Il Oh) writes:
> larock@software.software.org (Curt Larock) writes:
> >I just got the latest WordPerfect update, dated April 18, 1991.
> >According to the release notes WP now supports the STe (TT support
> >was in the December release). There are also some minor bug fixes.
>
> Do they still have no plans to port 5.0 (or 5.1)? Until they do, I'll
> happily use MS Word under Spectre GCR. I bought a copy of WP for Atari,
> WP 5.1 for DOS, and MS Word for Mac. I just use the one that works well.
> --
> "I'm sorry. | Il Hwan Oh
> If you were right, | University of Washington, Tacoma
> I would agree with you." | iho@cac.washington.edu
> -- Dr. Malcolm Sayer, _Awakenings_ |
Well from what I have just read in Znet or was it ST-Report, that
WordPerfect has droped Atari all together...
There was some thing about the Germans did not want a USA product
bundled with Atari computers,(about 10,000 units),
they wanted a German product instead..
WordPerfect did not like this, and decided that they could no longer
afford to support the Atari Version..
Correct me if I'am wrong, but this is the way I read it..
--
Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
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