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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 16 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 277
Today's Topics:
BART and how to get binaries
BBS's for the Atari.
Game question
GFA Raytrace
GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs! (2 msgs)
info on availability of Spectr
Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? (2 msgs)
Mouse Virus
Print spooler for STe
Publishers
STart bit the big burrito!
To post or not to post....
TOS Command Line
TOS filing system for MiNT
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Date: 16 May 91 09:56:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira
.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!fub!geminix.in-berlin.de!tertius.in-berlin.de!gaertne
r@arizona.edu
Subject: BART and how to get binaries
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>
>> The directory structure (if any now) is not very clear with the new index
>> style.
>
> You really don't think so? I've clearly listed the beginning
> of each directory with the name and a colon (i.e.'games:'),
> and I've clearly marked the end of each directory with something like
> '/end of games directory/'. Are others having this trouble with the
> Index? Perhaps we should just nuke the whole thing and go back to an ls -lR??
> I'd be interested in any feedback anyone has on this.
>
The directory structure is really clear in the `CompInd.Z' file. I also think
that the missing of the binaries/sources entries makes the index file more
accessible for those who can access atari.archive only by e-mail.
Ralf
---
Ralf Gaertner gaertner@venus.rz-berlin.mpg.de
FHI Berlin
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Date: 16 May 91 08:07:10 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!midway!linac!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.o
z.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!cpjim@arizona.edu (Jason I Mcclure)
Subject: BBS's for the Atari.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi I am posting this to alt.bbs, so apoligies to those of you
who get duplicates, that out of the way :-)...
I was wondering if anyone could recommend BBS software for the Atari and
where I might be able to ftp it from...
If it's not available for ftp an address where a physical letter will
reach the relevant persons would do just as well... I here QuickBBS is
very good and was wondering what the latest version was and where to get
it from.
Thanks to any who respond, I can be e-mailed at the below address...
Jason.
--
- May a flying camel never crash land on your head...
cpjim@marlin.jcu.edu.au (that's right a northern banana bender)
Jason Mc Clure (Ec) --- James Cook University
Townsville, Australia. (life's tough in the tropics. :-) )
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Date: Thu, 16 May 91 11:53
From: "Grupp , Andreas"
<JG05%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Game question
To: Atari ST Info Liste <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Hello,
I am searching for a friend of mine the name of
Roy Rodger's dog ???????????
E-mail please directly to me because the digest is always damaged
since several weeks.
Thanks, Andreas
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Date: 14 May 91 14:38:05 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!ccsg@uunet.uu.net (Samuel
Grosdemange)
Subject: GFA Raytrace
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Organization : Loughborough University, UK.
Keywords:
Hello everybody, I just would like to answer to Thomas
about Gfa Raytrace Package. I don`t know all the tools in this Pack
but if you are a beginner I don`t think that Gfa Raytrace could bring
you a lot of very interesting things. Let me explain why: At first
Gfa Raytrace is really specific. You know that this software uses the
Raytrace technic to show pictures. Of course the result is very nice
but the calculation is very slow (1-5 Hrs sometimes...or sometimes
all the night). Moreover Gfa Raytrace uses a lot of colors and it`s
difficult to use this process in GFA. But if you want to use the
Gfa Raytrace pictures try to find a converter from GFA Raytrace to
Spectrum (It`s exist!) and then you can use a Spectrum 512 routine
to show your pictures. If you can`t find a routine try to find
a executable binary file which load the pictures. (And if you want
make a DEMO for instance you can use the instruction EXEC or PEXEC 0
to exec the binary file... look in your Gfa basic manual).
Well, what I can say now? I could maybe introduce
myself... I`m called Samuel Grosdemange and it`s the first time
I use USENET NEWS .More other I`m French and I`m 19 (So, I beg
your pardon for the mistakes... thanks in advance). I begin to
code in Assembler 68000 some DEMOS and we have made a crew in
France (in Epinal near Nancy near Strasbourg). The name of our
crew is Passion and if you want to contact us (It`s a call to all
coders and ST users all other the world) write to the following
adress:
Samuel Grosdemange
3,Rue des Ducs de Chatel
88000 PALLEGNEY
FRANCE
Now , Thomas I hope you could receive a few letters
explaining you what Gfa Raytrace offer as a programming tool.
Good Luck with yous Atari ST and write me.Good Bye!
Sam,
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Date: 16 May 91 13:32:24 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek)
Subject: GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I received e-mail that stated that there might be an interaction
between GNUMAKE and PINHEAD. So I deactivated PINHEAD, and the
problem is identical. In this addendum I enclose the debug output for
`gnumake -ndp -f makefile':
# GNU Make version 3.54, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath.
# Copyright (C) 1988, 1989 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
# This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
# There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
# PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Reading makefiles...
Updating makefiles....
Considering target file `makefile'.
Looking for an implicit rule for `makefile'.
Trying pattern rule with stem `makefile'.
Trying implicit dependency `makefile,v'.
Trying pattern rule with stem `makefile'.
Trying implicit dependency `RCS/makefile,v'.
Trying pattern rule with stem `makefile'.
Trying implicit dependency `s.makefile'.
Trying pattern rule with stem `makefile'.
Trying implicit dependency `SCCS/s.makefile'.
No implicit rule found for `makefile'.
Finished dependencies of target file `makefile'.
No need to remake target file `makefile'.
Updating goal targets....
Considering target file `make'.
File `make' does not exist.
Considering target file `acm/planning.tex'.
Looking for an implicit rule for `acm/planning.tex'.
Trying pattern rule with stem `planning.tex'.
Trying implicit dependency `acm/planning.tex,v'.
Trying pattern rule with stem `planning.tex'.
Trying implicit dependency `acm/RCS/planning.tex,v'.
BOOM! BOOM!! Two bombs. Is there any way to disable the implicit
rules for RCS and SCCS?
Thanks!
--
Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
===============================================================================
Proud owner of a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-|
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Date: 16 May 91 16:40:55 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.ed
u!entropy@arizona.edu (maximum entropy)
Subject: GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <RALPH.91May16153224@orion.laas.fr> ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
writes:
>I received e-mail that stated that there might be an interaction
>between GNUMAKE and PINHEAD. So I deactivated PINHEAD, and the
>problem is identical. In this addendum I enclose the debug output for
>`gnumake -ndp -f makefile':
> [...deleted...]
> Trying implicit dependency `acm/planning.tex,v'.
> Trying pattern rule with stem `planning.tex'.
> Trying implicit dependency `acm/RCS/planning.tex,v'.
>BOOM! BOOM!! Two bombs. Is there any way to disable the implicit
>rules for RCS and SCCS?
I believe the problem is a memory leak somewhere. GNU Make seems to
crash after I use it for a while, and the more memory I have
available, the longer it takes. I haven't really tested this idea out
scientifically, so it should be taken for what it is--pure
speculation. In reality, the problem might be caused by something
completely different.
entropy
--
entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu
entropy. . .it's not just a good idea, it's the second law.
Boycott Lotus, Apple, Ashton-Tate and Xerox. Join the League for
Programming Freedom! Write to league@prep.ai.mit.edu for more information.
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Date: 16 May 91 00:53:38 GMT
From:
deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!fuug!funic!nntp.hut.fi!saha.hut.fi!s37837
k@decwrl.dec.com (Jari Lehto)
Subject: info on availability of Spectr
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <18477@k2.maus.de> Christoph_Bregulla@k2.maus.de (Christoph Bregulla)
writes:
>
>C@>In the UK the price seems to be about 290 pounds (approx $550) and thats
>C@> *without* the Mac ROMs.
>
>That's very much... Here in Germany it costs _with_ the ROMs nearly DM1000.-,
>that's about $600. In the US it's cheaper...
Except you can't get ROMs from the US any more... Germany is the best Source
for Spectre now. Or at least for the ROMs.
Jartsu
* Jari Lehto * 90-387939 * Jari.Lehto@hut.fi * Music, love & *
* Tenavatie 19 A * 90-382887 * jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi * friendship! *
* 00760 HELSINKI * 94040/02887 * jartsu@otax.hut.fi * Garlic, beer &*
* Finland * fax +358 0 8735916 * s37837k@saha.hut.fi * sausage! *
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Date: 16 May 91 12:00:52 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.a
c.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu
Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May14.192458.19903@dvorak.amd.com> bpohl@dvorak.amd.com (Bion
Pohl) writes:
>
> Is there a parts joining script for rejoining the parts of a uuencoded
> binary or source file before uudecoding? I've just been doing it by hand and
> I'm getting tired of it, cutting out the header and comments, etc. I wand
> something that will take all the mailed/posted part and make one .uue file I
> can send to our VAX for uudecoding (the uudecode on the SUN tends not to
work).
>
> I don't want to bother doing my own if someone has one that works (UNIX
> is still new to me). If you have one that you like, please e-mail it or post
> it. I can't ftp off site so I'd need it SENT TO me.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> SLATFATF,
> Bion
I do have a UUdec that works with the Headers etc, you can append all
the volumes together, no cutting needed..
--
Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
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Date: 16 May 91 13:11:16 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek)
Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Sorry, I do not understand this shell script. Don't all versions of
Dumas' uud strip extraneous headers and trailers from uuencoded files?
The problem arises with all the nonstandard decoders/encoders that
exist.
I use GNUS for reading, and I call uud directly from the Article
buffer in the case that the encoding is complete. Otherwise, if the
article is recognized as a `uud' part, then the proper named part file
is automatically saved.
Cheers,
--
Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
===============================================================================
Proud owner of a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-|
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Date: 16 May 91 03:10:33 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!gatech!psuvax1!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!mips!atha!aunro!apss!ersys!mforge
t@arizona.edu (Michel Forget)
Subject: Mouse Virus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
NCOYNE@ESOC.BITNET writes:
> Listen I ve got the dreaded mouse pointer reversal virus. I need to
> stamp out this beasty.
Okay:
(1) Re-Boot your system with no disk in the disk drive.
(2) When you get to GEM, format a disk. Use this to boot from now
on.
(3) Call a BBS, or download from atari.archives, a Virus Killer.
Use the program on all of your disks.
When you have cleaned all of your disks using a Virus Killer, then you
will not need to use the boot disk from step to. You can go back to
doing things the way you did before the Virus. Also, if you find out how
you got the Virus, please let us know.
Note: The Atari Virus Killer 4.00GB detects Link Virus programs, which
are Virus' that get executed when you run certain files you download.
So, try to get the Atari Virus Killer.
<< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >>
<< or in the language that PEOPLE use >>
<< Michel Forget...:) >>
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Date: 16 May 91 05:33:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucselx!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.ed
u (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Print spooler for STe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can someone please recommend a good print spooler? Preferably one that
works on the STe. Thanks.
--
||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu]
||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
/ | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
TWO WEEKS UNTIL GRADUATION!!
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Date: 16 May 91 14:07:06 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!men
udo.uh.edu!uace0@arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman)
Subject: Publishers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1059@isgtec.UUCP> ken@isgtec.UUCP (Ken Newman) writes:
>
>In article <1991May10.185652.19983@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim
>Omura) writes:
>|>
>|> I've just finished a program and magazine article and I sent it
>|> off to STart Magazine. So right now, I'm planning my next bit of
>|> work...
>|> All I've seen lately in North America for paying work is STart Magazine.
>|>
>
>Good luck in getting your stuff published in Start. If it does by some
>miracle, you will not get paid for it. As far as I have been able to tell,
>they have not been paying authors for a long time (including me). Start is
>going down real fast. They are not getting any advertising money - advertisers
>are staying away in droves. I actually heard recently they've been running
>some ads *for free* just to try and keep things alive. Bob Brodie is doing
>his new column for free. A great pity, Start's kinda all there is left
>in terms of mainstream Atari magazines in North America.
>- kn
You're not the Lone Ranger!
STart is dead! The magazine is not being published any more.
Antic software is in (and I quote) "Survival mode" and is selling all their
ST software at outrageous prices, and even trying to cut special deals with
distributors.
They have not paid us for two (2!) years for the sales of Shadow!!!
*** As a side note, we have terminated the contract with Antic and now have
*** regained complete control of Shadow. WE ARE UPGRADING SHADOW NOW!!!
*** Stay tuned for more details about Shadow 2.0! We heard and are doing!
They say they have "every intention of paying everyone we owe money to."
Sure, sure... We hope so.
As an editorial aside...
It is truly sad to see this happen. I remember buying Antic #1 when I had
my 8-bit. I 'grew up' with Antic, watched them grow and become a major
selling point for Atari. They were the last cornerstone in the US market.
(OK, so ICD now is the last cornerstone - at least they are doing ok).
If anyone wants to keep tabs or follow the creative forces that were once
Antic software, then buy AutoDesk software. Many of the Atari greats from
Antic work there (Tom Hudson, Jim Kent, Gary Yost, etc...)
- mike
--
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Date: 16 May 91 10:23:17 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wciu!abode!scale@arizona.edu (Luis Outumuro)
Subject: STart bit the big burrito!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello fellow c.s.a.s. netters,
I thought this news flash might be of interest to those of you
that read STart magazine:
This is a Z*BREAK SPECIAL NEWS BULLETIN:
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Z*NET INTERNATIONAL ATARI NEWS SERVICE - Z*BREAK #91-20 - 5/15/91
START MAGAZINE CEASES PUBLICATION
Story by John Nagy
After days of conflicting rumors, it was confirmed by START Magazine
staff members today that the bi-monthly Atari magazine START will NOT
publish another issue until further notice.
"STart has suspended publication pending a sale of the magazine," said
Editor in Chief Tom Byron. A sale is said to be in the works with
unidentified parties, and no timetable is being discussed publicly.
Byron also said that the next issue, the June/July edition, is complete
and was waiting for printing when he got the news today that the
suspension was in effect.
The resolution of the fates of subscribers and the many writers to whom
STart has owed moneys dating back to mid 1990 is not known or
predictable at this point. If STart is sold, it may be that those owed
will be paid from the revenues, or the new owner may assume the
liabilities of the company. A third possibility is that there would be
a liquidation and sale of assets held by STart itself, which may be
negligible.
Z*Net will continue to follow this story which is of great concern to
the entire Atari community. STart is the last commercial "slick"
magazine for the Atari in the U.S.A. It will leave behind only Atari
Explorer, Atari's owned house magazine, and newspaper-type publications
like AtariUser and ST INFORMER.
Look for followup on the STart story in Z*NET #91-21, this weekend on
telecommunication services and bulletin boards world-wide.
Z*NET Atari Online Magazine is a weekly publication covering the
Atari and related computer community. Material contained in this
edition may be reprinted without permission. Z*Net, Z*Net Atari
Online and Z*Net News Service are Copyright (c) 1989-91, Rovac
Industries Incorporated, Post Office Box 59, Middlesex, New
Jersey 08846-0059. Voice (908) 968-2024, BBS (908) 968-8148 at
1200/2400 Baud 24 hours a day.
Compuserve at PPN 71777,2140 ... GEnie at address: Z-Net.
--
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Luis Mark Outumuro III | "Well... you're damned if you do,
Computer Office Products 818/813-1051 | and you're damned if you don't!"
Infoline 818/813-1053 | - Bart Simpson, 1990...
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Date: 16 May 91 01:05:27 GMT
From:
deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!news.funet.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!saha.hut.
fi!s37837k@decwrl.dec.com (Jari Lehto)
Subject: To post or not to post....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May15.163217.6142@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner) writes:
>
>Ok folks, here's the deal: Would anyone be interested in us
>posting uploads for the past week to comp.sys.atari.st?
At least I am. It is not recommended to use overseas connections for just
checkin if there is something new...
>Does anyone think this should be posted? Or, is mail service via
>bart and ftp availability enough?
It should definitely be posted! Information is useless until delivered...
>Meet my mom and dad : {tom,diane}_weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu, but be nice.....
I promise to be. But they have to be too...
Jartsu
* Jari Lehto * 90-387939 * Jari.Lehto@hut.fi * Music, love & *
* Tenavatie 19 A * 90-382887 * jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi * friendship! *
* 00760 HELSINKI * 94040/02887 * jartsu@otax.hut.fi * Garlic, beer &*
* Finland * fax +358 0 8735916 * s37837k@saha.hut.fi * sausage! *
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Date: 15 May 91 21:10:41 GMT
From: cadence!cadence.com!bammi@uunet.uu.net (Jwahar R. Bammi)
Subject: TOS Command Line
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <TyVo23w164w@ersys.uucp> ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca (Michel
Forget) writes:
> The shells that suppot Zmodem, namely Zflash, have problems with the
> command line as well. They try to send as many as thirty-two files along
> the command line, but the command line simply isn't big enough. Not very
this is a problem with the shell, not rz or sz in the zmdm
distribution. they dont pass args using established conventions.
recommended Xargs is not such a hot idea either in my opinion -- now
that we have a (liviable) standard, lets use it and make things just
that -- standard.
--
--
bang: uunet!cadence!bammi jwahar r. bammi
domain: bammi@cadence.com
GEnie: J.Bammi
CIS: 71515,155
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Date: 15 May 91 16:51:12 GMT
From: imagen!atari!apratt@sun.com (Allan Pratt)
Subject: TOS filing system for MiNT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer) writes:
>I'm about to start work on an MeSsy-DOS filing system for MiNT, and would
>appreciate some advice about the way it should handle filenames.
Before you "start work" please check to see if TOS's and MiNT's own
filesystem isn't what you need. They *are* MSDOS compatible. You can
take TOS disks and use them on PC's.
Well, that's not quite true. They have to be formatted by a program which
does an MS-DOS compatible format. The difference is a couple of bytes at
the beginning of the boot sector. Original TOS didn't set that up the way
MSDOS needed. New TOSes (1.4 and greater) do. Other people's formatters,
like DoubleClick, let you select this as an option. There is no difference
at all in the data part of the disk, only a couple of bytes in the first
sector which we ignore and they use.
Sometimes you can format a disk on a PC and use it on an ST. You can
certainly READ the disk on the ST. You can't WRITE it unless the disk was
formatted with two FATs. Some newer MSDOSes think they're doing you a
favor by writing just one FAT. If you have one of those, use the option to
FORMAT which says, "Put two FATs on the disk."
Aside from these details of formatting (which are not minor), the TOS
and MSDOS filesystems are identical, files, subdirectories, and all.
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
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