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Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 26 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 410
Today's Topics:
Accidently formatting (3 msgs)
Could someone answer this?
crabs -- Screen-eating program for MiNT
DC Weekly Post 7/26
Function Proto types (was Re: Lattice C -- Single Pass?)
Help! (2 msgs)
Mint
neo 1040 for sale (upgraded 520STfm)
OSI Personal Pascal bug
Phasar 4.0
Start magazine
The Best Magazine, Bar None?
Turbo-C
use unlzh 1.72 for unlzhing! works with all!
WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses
Where to get PC-DITTO II PALs ??????
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Date: 26 Jul 91 12:57:23 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!wsu-cs!jake!pbh@ariz
ona.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul25.124220.1136@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
>carlfred@idt.unit.no (Carl-Fredrik Soerensen) writes:
>
>>A friend of mine have an Atari 1040STE.
>>He has accidently formatted a floppy with some days work (he had no
>>backup).
>>I wonder if there exists any opportunities to recover the data (as
>>Norton Utilities etc.)
>
>Formatting a disk means deleting the data completely. You don't have
>the slightest chance of recovering them unless your friend stopped the
>process soon enough.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot
sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it.
Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of
how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all
the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?)
--
Genie - P.HAGGOOD2 Internet -pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu
PRODIGY - Not anymore, Jackson. Bitnet - phaggoo@waynest1
Phone - (313) 577-0669
Voice - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!"
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Date: 26 Jul 91 19:39:12 GMT
From: dkoski@arizona.edu (David Koski)
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul26.125723.27759@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick
Haggood) writes:
>Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot
>sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it.
>Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of
>how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all
>the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?)
No, the format uses the WRITE_TRACK command on the FDC... The whole track
is written over with some gaps between the sectors, and some header info. The
sectors themselves are written with a 'virgin' value, usually $E5. The norton
utilities won't do it, I think the way that they work is to use a
non-destructive format (that is, read the sectors, write the track, write the
sectors). It is IMPOSSIBLE to recover a formatted disk.
David Koski
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Date: 26 Jul 91 22:41:04 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kurto
@arizona.edu
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1701@caslon.cs.arizona.edu>, dkoski@cs.arizona.edu (David Koski)
writes:
> No, the format uses the WRITE_TRACK command on the FDC... The whole track
> is written over with some gaps between the sectors, and some header info. The
> sectors themselves are written with a 'virgin' value, usually $E5. The norton
> utilities won't do it, I think the way that they work is to use a
> non-destructive format (that is, read the sectors, write the track, write the
> sectors). It is IMPOSSIBLE to recover a formatted disk.
~~~~~~~~~~
>
> David Koski
No it's not. It's just very difficult and you need some expensive equipment.
The reason it's still possible is because very seldom do the read/write heads
line up in the EXACT same place for a given track so there is usually
some of the old information available. It is like this:
* - old info
= - new info (ie. from the format or whatever)
blah blah blah blah blah ...
track x blah blah blah blah blah ... (where blah = bits on disk)
blah blah blah blah blah ...
************************ ...
track x+1 ======================== ...
======================== ...
blah blah blah blah blah ...
track x+2 blah blah blah blah blah ...
blah blah blah blah blah ...
So if you have the correct equipment and know enough about how a given
disk system stores information, you can read the disk bit for bit using
a track density about five times higher then the original and then pick
out the stuff you want. If you know what was written over (E5 E5 E5 for
most ataris) then it is even easier to find your original data. Even
when you actually write directly over the top of data it is possible to
read ghost images from the disk, again with the correct equipment.
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Date: 26 Jul 91 19:33:07 GMT
From: kodak!cygnus!nelson@cs.rochester.edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
Subject: Could someone answer this?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
START has gone to the big bit bucket :-(
There have been rumors of START being taken over by another magazine but
nothing has happened yet.
--
Bruce Nelson | Phone: (716) 726-7890
Rochester Distributed Computer Services | Internet: nelson@kodak.com
Eastman Kodak Company |
Rochester, NY 14653-5221 |
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Date: 26 Jul 91 19:44:03 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorke
lwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: crabs -- Screen-eating program for MiNT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, I just took the lzh that I got from uudecode and tried it...
It worked flawlessy.
Sigh,
RIPLEY
--
Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30 | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP)
Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/
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Date: 27 Jul 91 00:01:04 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua
ce0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts)
Subject: DC Weekly Post 7/26
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
DC No-Stic will prevent hard disk stiction from happening. Stiction
was such a problem with Seagate drives that they put in circuitry to
move the hard disk heads after a length of disk inactivity. DC
No-Stic emulates this logic.
100% assembly. ST, STe and TT compatible. Work with all hard disks.
- mike vederman / double click software
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Date: 26 Jul 91 21:19:24 GMT
From:
news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net
(Jim Omura)
Subject: Function Proto types (was Re: Lattice C -- Single Pass?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul25.095947.24697@newcastle.ac.uk> D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk
(Dave Halliday) writes:
>In article <1991Jul24.180103.25979@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim
>Omura) writes:
>|>
>|> My best guess is that Lattice is a single pass compiler after all.
>|>I asked around before and was told it was multi-pass. But it's not
>|>something that some programmers would notice. At least not unless
>|>they try porting programs written by people who organize top down.
>|>
>
>No, It's a multi pass compiler but ANSI compatable. You have run into
>ANSI function prototyping. In ANSI C the compiler checks to see if you
>pass the correct values to functions in a simmilar manner to Pascal, thus
[deleting a nice example of function prototype usage -- JO]
Well, I know about function prototyping. The problem is that
I had ANSI compatibility switched off. Now in that case the compilers
I've used has supported forward and backward references without
function declarations. In effect making them "old style K & R C."
As far as I know, ANSI's spec doesn't tell you whether a compiler
is going to be restricted regarding forward referencing when ANSI
compatibility is "disabled". (An interesting point of logical reasoning
there. :-) So properly, it's a subject for the manual to discuss in
an appropriate place. I'd put it in the general description of the
compiler. Alternatively, it might be mentioned in the area of compiler
switches. If possible, it should be *everywhere* that one might reasonably
look for it.
So far, I think the Lattice C compiler will be a very satisfactory
compiler (subject to that 1 major compiler bug that I seem to have
hit in my most important project), but the 1st edition manual is
annoyingly deficient in many ways. I hope I'll be able to arrange to
buy an updated manual.
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
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Date: 26 Jul 91 10:03:48 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pr
imate.wisc.edu!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!uc!shamash!timbuk
!marc@arizona.edu (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Help!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <F6VN61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, arktik@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ryan
Daum) writes:
> I have successfully connected to Atari archive at 141.211.164.8. It asks
> for a login and password. I used "anonymous" for the login, what is the
> password?
Anything you like, really... Typically, it will ask you for your ID. So I
usually enter `marc@sequoia.cray.com', just as a courtesy (just in case anyone's
listening at the other end ;-) ).
[M][a][r][c]
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Date: 26 Jul 91 13:00:30 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless!ndch@uunet.uu.net (Dave Halliday)
Subject: Help!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <F6VN61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
arktik@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ryan Daum) writes:
|>I have successfully connected to Atari archive at 141.211.164.8. It asks
|>for a login and password. I used "anonymous" for the login, what is the
|>password?
|>
|>
You should use your mail address as the password. This also applies for almost
all ftp which have anonymous logins.
Dave Halliday
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Dave Address: Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK.
Halliday EMail : D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk
Phone : +44 91 222 8214 Fax : +44 91 222 8232
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Date: 26 Jul 91 23:41:21 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!walt.disney.com!walt!sma@arizona.edu (Steve
Acheson)
Subject: Mint
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have started using mint. I have bash, mgr, ksh. I had to dig out
an old copy of mg (micro-gnu emacs) to do editing, as my vi and emacs
crashed mint. So I have a basic system and want more. Several of the
sample scripts/setups with mint referenced other utilities but I don't
know where to find them. I have rummaged through archive, but it is
difficult to try to find mint compatible progs/utils etc.
I would appreciate any pointers to archives or utils/progs that are mint
compatible. I would also enjoy working on the mint system (in all of
my spare time :-) if needed.
Thanks
Steve Acheson
sma@walt.disney.com
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Date: 26 Jul 91 17:51:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!hamblin.math.byu
.edu!news@arizona.edu (Chad)
Subject: neo 1040 for sale (upgraded 520STfm)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
--
FOR SALE:
Atari 520STfm upgraded to 1meg RAM and DSDD floppy.
Has external "mungo big" industrial power supply that can
power several HD too. (power supply is > $100 value)
SM124 mono Monitor.
NEC P2200 24 pin printer and cable
Home built HD adapter to attach a SCSI disk.
Atari Word Perfect
Microsoft Flight Simulator
Balance of Power game
HD backup utility
Lots of PD disks
Personal Pascal v2
This machine has not been used for a year because I
started to use a Mac for my MIDI due to a piece of
software that I needed on Mac.
All for $600 plus shipping.
for more information contact Chad @ (801) 378 6472
or email chad@yvax.byu.edu
*************************************************************
Chad Leigh
Brigham Young University / on leave from DEC
chad@yvax.byu.edu / chad@norge.enet.dec.com
*************************************************************
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Date: 25 Jul 91 09:24:36 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!mcshh!janhh!jan@uunet.uu.net (Jan Willamowius)
Subject: OSI Personal Pascal bug
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Charles Richmond wrote:
> I believe I have found a but in my Personal Pascal V2.0
> compiler.
Maybe there are more peple interested (like me). Please ost a short
description.
> Since Optimized Systems Software (OSI) is no
> longer in business, does anyone still support this compiler?
> Can anyone direct me to the people in Germany who actually
> wrote this compiler?
As far as I know the complier was written by Joerg Lohse (currently
working at the University of Hamburg). But I don't think he is involved
in supporting the compiler any more.
The German distributor is:
CCD, K. Meyfeld, Schoene Aussicht 41, D-6229 Walluf, Germany.
I heard rumors that they might drop ST-Pascal. Details anyone ?
- Jan
--
Jan Willamowius, Nienredder 6, 2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
E-Mail: jan@janhh.hanse.de
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:21 EDT
From: JOHNBARNES@ENH.NIST.GOV
Subject: Phasar 4.0
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Sprry about the scrambled Subject lines. The subject for this message
belongs with my last posting, and the one for that posting belongs with
this one.
As a staff member of Current Notes magazine I am gratified, as was our 8
bit editor, at the support that Lauren Howard showed in his unsolicited
testimonial. All I can say is "Aw, shucks, guys. Thanks."
I would, however, like to dispell the notion that CN is a user group
publication. It did start out that way, but it has since evolved into a
commercial enterprise that more or less pays its own way because people
like Ben Poehland, myself, and others put a lot of work and love into it.
There is no way any Atari magazine could afford the staff that Current
Notes has.
This is our way of paying back our friends in the Atari community.
I have captured the relevant messages and will forward them to our publisher
and ST editor.
Please keep those cards and letters coming. If you have anything that is
urgent please send e-mail to me directly, as I often get out of touch
with Info-Atari16 for extended periods.
John Barnes
Current Notes' Junkyard Pussycat
Johnbarnes@enh.nist.gov
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Date: 26 Jul 91 16:45:58 GMT
From: ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!bboychuk@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (The Majestic Llama)
Subject: Start magazine
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <26JUL91075827@etsuv2.etsu.edu> r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu writes:
>
> Maybe I missed something, since I don't read this group often, but
>Could someone please tell me what happened to START magazine? Last I heard
>they were going bi-monthly, but I haven't gotten anything from them since.
>
And you won't. Start is dead, along with Antic (the magazine, not
the company -- the company is now putting out a PC rag, "PC Home
Journal.")
And speaking of Start, is anybody else having trouble
collecting money owed for articles printed? Antic Publishing has
owed me over $1,800 for nigh six months now and is refusing to
acknowledge that I exist, despite the fact that I've been to Small
Claims and won a settlement against them. The money guy there,
Chris Ballard, won't even call me back -- even though I've
threatened to send in the sheriff to start impounding stuff.
And since the company still exists, shouldn't we subscribers
be getting reimbursement for undelivered issues? Or issues of
another magazine?
Ah! Nothing like a healthy instance of getting screwed to
make you look at the world with a bright, sunny outlook.
--
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bboychuk@ucsd.edu "My GOD, did you see the power and majesty radiated by
that llama?" "Well, of course I did, you fool..."
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:11 EDT
From: JOHNBARNES@ENH.NIST.GOV
Subject: The Best Magazine, Bar None?
To: INfo-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
May Kay Petersen asks if anyone has any experience with Phasar 4.0. I have
used this product extensively for the last 3 or 4 years. I could not live
without it. I published a lengthy tutorial on it in Current Notes in the
March 1990 issue.
Perhaps some one close to you can lend you a copy.
The package makes keeping home finances very simple. It lacks the beauty of
MacIntax when tax time comes, but it does let you create your own forms to
do the arithmetic.
The program has many "help" features built in. I find it to be very robust.
Some GEM snobs turn up their noses at the screens, but the program does
work quite well.
I especially appreciate the way it handles transfers between accounts. It does
have limits on the number of accounts and the number of transactions, but I
doubt that these would be significant on a 1 Meg ST handling a set of
personal or family accounts.
John Barnes
Current Notes' Junkyard PUssycat
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Date: 26 Jul 91 13:03:59 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf)
Subject: Turbo-C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <11582@m.maus.de>, Martin_Gaeckler@m.maus.de (Martin Gaeckler)
writes:
>
> Dave Halliday D.C.Halliday%newcastle.ac.uk @ SUB am Mo, 15.07.91 11:02 writes
>
> >|>Did Borland give a reason for stopping to support the Atari ST product?
>
> No, Borlang USA didn't give any reason for that. Turbo C for the Atari ST was
> only supported by Borland Germany an independed company which was owned by
> Fritz Heimsoeth. After Borland USA bought Borland Germany (in July 1990) they
> didn't take interesting in supporting Turbo C. And, unfortunately, it take a
> long time to give back Turbo C to the the developpers.
>
> Greeting from bavaria
>
> Martin Gaeckler
Just for your information:
In Germany, the distributor of Turbo C is now Application Systems, Heidelberg
(ASH), better: of the successor of TC called PureC.
PureC is a complete development system (graphics shell-editor-Ansi C compiler-
assembler-debugger-linker). It will cost about 400.- DM. The Developpers of
Pure-Software have also done the developpement of TC 2.0.
Users of Laser-C and Megamax C will automatically be offered an update to
Pure-C.
(informations taken from: TOS 8/91, p.11)
greetings bst
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Date: 26 Jul 91 16:58:26 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!midway!mac
hine!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: use unlzh 1.72 for unlzhing! works with all!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
People a lot more familiar with computers than I am have tried to get lharc
running on chinet (running Interactive Sys V r 5, I believe), and failed. If
someone knows the proper incantations to compile a publicly-available version
of lharc on a this system, I'd appreciate a note explaining how (I won't thank
you right away because I'll be away for a while).
Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us
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Date: 26 Jul 91 17:10:28 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpmcaa!patrick@arizona.edu
(Patrick Hawke)
Subject: WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I too have wondered about the Sega Glasses. I'd be willing and would love to
hack a pair to make'em work.
Does anybody have the Lead/in/out info a pair of the Stereo-Tek glasses?
Without this info I'd be lost in the fog.
Thanks all,
Patrick
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Date: 26 Jul 91 10:03:29 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.
edu!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!uc!shamash!timbuk!marc@arizo
na.edu (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Where to get PC-DITTO II PALs ??????
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul25.214137.26773@watmath.waterloo.edu>,
ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey) writes:
> In article <1991Jul24.184336.3460@electro.com> george@electro.UUCP (George
Reimer) writes:
> > I would like to buy my friend's PC-DITTO II from him
> > but... He has no PALS for it!!
>
> What is a PAL?
Why, LJ, a pal is a buddy, a friend, a colleague, a mate... :-) :-)
> --
> Prof Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1
> Internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca
> UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ...!uunet!watmath!ljdickey
> Obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs
Couldn't resist that one!! ;-)
[M][a][r][c]
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