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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 373
Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 4 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 373
Today's Topics:
1040 Monochrome ST and ICD harddrive for sale
1040 ST system for sale
68881?
Ancient Germanic
Atari Conference guests and topic ideas wanted
Atari Dealers
bug or virus ?
Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
Elvis unusable on german keyboard
Hardware Upgrading Questions
Looking for a ST(HD)
MEGA STE problems (Summarise)
MINIX on an Atari TT?
Patch for ZZ-COM available thru anonymous FTP
STalker/STeno v3.0? (2 msgs)
This week's program (2 msgs)
What's a STE anyway?
ZPCAD - where??
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Date: 4 Jul 91 12:20:41 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!udel!sbcs.sunysb.edu!usenet@arizona.edu (Lean L. Loh)
Subject: 1040 Monochrome ST and ICD harddrive for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The following is for sale:
Atari 1040 ST with SM124 monochrome monitor.
(both bought in summer 86)
asking: $225
ICD 30 meg FAST hard-disk drive.
(bought in 88 or 89.)
asking: $250
software included:
Personal Pascal, C compilers.
WordUp, TurboST, G+Plus, PublishingPartner/PageStream
LaTeX, DVI previewer, Metafont generator.
Gulam, Beckmeyer Micro Csh
Uniterm, UW.
and a many more.
Preferably, all units are picked up from my apartment. :-)
The ICD harddrive did stop spinning once. I called up ICD; they instructed
that I opened the casing, and give the spindle a spin manually, and
everything will be fine. I did just that and everything has been fine since
then. ICD said that that's a known problem with the Seagate drive, but that
the solution is fairly simple (giving it a manual spin).
Interested call (718) 448-7263 and leave a message if i'm not in.
I'm in the NY metropolitan area.
..LeAn
--
if you can dream it, you can do it ... CSNET:lean@sbcs.csnet
go sleep ARPA:lean@sbcs.sunysb.edu
UUCP:{allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax}!sbcs!lean
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Date: 4 Jul 91 07:21:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!c
lark!pro-haven.cts.com!bandersnatch@arizona.edu (Kevin Raley)
Subject: 1040 ST system for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In-Reply-To: message from Unknown
Could you send a software list to me...I might be interested in purchasing
all of it....
----
ProLine: bandersnatch@pro-haven Kevin Raley
Internet: bandersnatch@pro-haven.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-haven!bandersnatch
ARPA: crash!pro-haven!bandersnatch@nosc.mil
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Date: 3 Jul 91 22:26:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think
.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!world!azog@arizona.edu (azog-thoth)
Subject: 68881?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
This has probably been asked before...
Is there a way to add a 68881/82 to an ST? Hardware-wise. I relize that
software-wise, theres probably not a whole helluva lot of software
written to take advantage of an 81/82. But I think it would be a fun
hardware hack anyways :-)
BTW: I have an STfm, but am considering upgrading to a Mega STe...
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine | Close your eyes, what do you see? Dreams in |
| azog@world.std.com | rhyme with reality. - Fates Warning |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
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Date: 4 Jul 91 00:51:18 GMT
From: lll-winken!aunro!atha!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura)
Subject: Ancient Germanic
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is there anyone with an Atari ST who has studied ancient Germanic
languages? I need the opinion of someone who can read and write.
In particular, someone who studied the original "oetts" rather than
the later styles.
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
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Date: 4 Jul 91 06:54:54 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa338@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Mark Leair)
Subject: Atari Conference guests and topic ideas wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The Atari S.I.G. on the Cleveland Freenet wishes to plan some special
Atari Conferences for its local irc Atari conference on Sundays
at 8pm EDT, on channel +AtariCon (Freenet local irc).
Ideas for topics and guests are welcome! Dealers, producers, and developers
are also encouraged! What a great way to promote that up-coming products
or service with an online interaction with Atari Users. For more information
please send e-mail to myself at aa338@po.CWRU.edu.
In the meantime, check out the Atari SIG on Freenet.
Available by internet at "Freenet-in-c.cwru.edu".
Type "Go Atari" to get to the SIG.
--
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Date: 4 Jul 91 07:29:42 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Atari Dealers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Keith Mullins asks:
>Being a new Atari owner, I do not know the locations of
>the Atari dealers in the USA. Does anyone have a list of places
>where I can purchase Atari software, preferably in New England
Sorry Keith, but Atari Corp has systematically killed off its US dealer
network..
If you're interested in specific products like NeoDesk, it'd probably
be better to contact the manufacturers directly, or check the advertisements
in Atari magazines for mail-order sources..
BobR
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Date: 4 Jul 91 13:22:57 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!uniol!Frank.Moehle@uunet.uu.net (Frank Moehle)
Subject: bug or virus ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi everybody.
The sun is shining hot in germany, an I have the following problem:
I am using an ST with 2.5 MB, TOS1.4, Seagate ST157N with an ICD- hostadapter
and a lot of stuff on it. I have been using my harddisk for a very long time
now, but recently my ST started behaving strage :
I can boot from my HD, open windows and so on.
But sometimes, after leaving a program, IT happens :
I return to desktop with NO open windows (I had some opened berfore entering
the program). As I try to open a window, the alart-box "4 Windows already
open, please close winsdows before opening new ones" (roughly translated)
apears. WHY ????
When I select "close.." or "close window" from the menue bar, my ST
starts playing "dead man".
Did I catch a virus (if so : how can I get rid of it) or is this just
a strage GEMDOS bug??????
please help me,
Frank
--
============================================================================
Nick : Lateman | I may be late,
Real : Frank Moehle, Oldenburg, West Germany | but I'm worth
Inhouse : faramir!moesel | waiting for.
EARN/BITNET: 025881@DOLUNI1 UUCP: moehle@uniol +-----------------
DOMAIN : Frank.Moehle@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de
------------------------------>Fascinating.<--------------------------------
In an infinite space there can be no rain, because there is
no UP for it to fall DOWN from. (hitchhiker)
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Date: 3 Jul 91 22:51:07 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!udel!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!dmb@arizona.edu (David M.
Baggett)
Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul03.063410.16919@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david
parsons) writes:
>|Elvis? I've tried Levee too, and would use it except for the 32K file
>|limit. (Is there a more recent version of levee without the 32K
>|restriction?)
>
> Nope. I'm working, at somewhat less than the speed of continental
>drift, on it. It's the sort of thing that requires a lot of mental
>energy, and thus is too much for me at my advanced age...
>
>.david parsons __
>orc@pell.uucp(?) \/
Is the figure "32K" a constant that you could tweak up to, say,
"256K"? That would be fine for most purposes (at least for me).
Granted that would increase memory requirements for editing small files
(I assume), but I could live with that.
Levee was my favorite for quite some time. It's fast and seems quite
robust.
Dave Baggett
dmb@wam.umd.edu
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Date: 4 Jul 91 15:48:02 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!gypsy!sievert@uunet.uu.net (Karsten Sievert)
Subject: Elvis unusable on german keyboard
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi!
Some friends of mine would like to use Elvis like me - but there is a nasty
problem: You can't do that using a german keyboard.
All <alt><shift>-keys generate <a><s>... key sequences. But on our
keyboard all the special "UNIX" characters like [,],{,},\ and so on are
shift-alt-combinations.
You shure can map them in INPUT-mode, but what about the command line?
I am using a software mapped american kb, which brings new problems with
other programs.
My idea is this: Any key, which reports a valid ASCII char should be
accepted as souch. Only if there is no valid char, it's a good idea to manage
the keys this way.
Would it be easy to add this feature an conquer a hole new continent? ;-)
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Date: 3 Jul 91 14:14:32 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!ox-prg!oxuniv!ameij@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Hardware Upgrading Questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear Chums,
Three questions about hardware...
1) I want to fit a hard disk to my Mega 2 ST. Has anyone any experience of
internal ones? I think the box is dead neat, and would prefer not to add
another.
2) Does anyone know the status of the putative Atari-UK DMA port transputer add
on box? There were strong rumours about it around 8 months ago, but since I
have heard nothing.
3) I may want lots more numerical bang. Would I be better to buy a TT (I
imagine I would need the maths coprocessor, if that's an option) or an ATW?
Can anyone let me know how much an ATW is in Britain these days?
Jan Ameij
ameij @ uk.ac.oxford.vax
PS _Particularly_ re question 3 - Please please please don't tell me I need an
IBM/Amiga/Mac something instead. I shall consider all the options. I am here to
request info on Atari products...
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Date: 4 Jul 91 01:31:53 GMT
From: bu.edu!m2c!jjmhome!jjmhome.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tad J. Hunt)
Subject: Looking for a ST(HD)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
WANTED: hard drive (for an Atari 1040STf), any size, any speed, CHEAP!
also needed is a host adapter to run it. Prefered is a SCSI drive and an
ICD host adapter with appropriate software to run the drive.
Please mail all reasonable offers to:
hunt%jjmhome.uucp@m2c.m2c.org or harvard.edu!jjmhome!hunt
or
hunt@jjmhome.m2c.org
or
hunt@control.com (not preferred)
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Date: 4 Jul 91 12:39:43 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!alp!johnj@uunet.uu.net (John Janssen)
Subject: MEGA STE problems (Summarise)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello again, I'm back on the net.
Our project moved to another location, which did
cut us from the world for about a Month.
(I have a new email address; see signature).
My last mail to the net were some questions about
my MEGA STE, I bought just then. I promissed to
summarise, so here it is.
The original postings included two questions about
booting from hard disk and some tests of ST applications
running on the MEGA STE.
Man I never have got so many responses from the net.
Thanks all of you. I have tried to thank everyone
individually by email, but I could not check for
bounced mail (as we were cut off, you know).
1. The first problem was that DEGAS messes up the screen, when
you switch from menupage to drawpage. (I mean the good old
DEGAS, not DEGAS ELITE which I didnot test).
The symptom:
After a few switchings, the right side of the screen (about
1 cm/ 0.5 inch) becomes visible on the left side of the
screen which is annoying. You have to re-boot the system
to get rid of it.
I got the following mail from Lars-Erik
>Exacly the same problem I had....
>I know of LOTS of examples of MEGA STE's with this bad chips that causes the
>monochrome diplay to wrap when you change screen adresse and causes static in
>the DMA sound, but Atari Corp won't confirm this and tell me that this is
>only a problem with my machine (but you are the 4th one I've heard about).
>Replace the chip with a chip from an old STE (not the same number so you need
>the print-layouts for both MEGA STE and STE to do this, the chip is called
>GSTSHIFTER and has to do with both video and sound in the STE machines..)
>I would again like a comment on this from Atari Corp. You can't just ignore
>this problem that applies to a great number og MEGA STE's !!!!!???
I am however not sure that this is the case, as I went to my local dealer
and tested all the MEGA STEs available. They all had the same symptoms.
Atari in the Netherlands (=Atari Benelux) reacted as follows:
1. Problem not know.
2. Hardware for screens in 1040STE is identical to MEGA STE,
so there can be no differences between them.
3. Problem must lie in the sofware itself, as TOS 2.05 is new.
They recommended another drawing package.
So, that's it.
2. The floppy drive light stays on after booting, when there is no
floppy in it at boot-time.
I got a lot of responses, telling me that this is 'normal'.
I can (have to-) accept this, but I find it a little bit strange
that this light is much more brighter than the power led.
3. It takes ages to boot from harddisk. Even when an empty formatted
diskette is in the floppy drive.
Even this seems to be 'normal' for a MEGA STE.
I got some mail telling me that if I just press a key, the actual loading
from hard disk starts earlier.
Even after trying, it did not work out for me.
Thanks to some people, I found out that you should wait with pressing
a key or moving the mouse until the hard disk spinns normally.
And it turned out to be that this was my problem, as I only have a
small desk, and I have to reposition the mouse everytime I want to
switch on the system.
It works ok when I take care to not touch the mouse and keyboard
immediately after switching on.
OK, that was all.
Thanks again to everybody who responded (or tried to).
--
John Janssen Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl (has been changed!)
The Netherlands
Work: +31 40 756588 Atari Mega STE, MIDI, C-lab Notator and Unitor.
Priv: +31 77 513177 Astro -Birth/Place/Date/Time you > you.doc
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Date: 4 Jul 91 09:53:03 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!philce!nlvs31!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans
Meulenbroeks)
Subject: MINIX on an Atari TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>In article <A0b7wig2@mwowm.mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:
>>Has anyone tried running ST MINIX on a TT? Does it work? Anyone know of
>>any plans for a TT MINIX?
>A few people had modified theirs to run with 68020s, so I'd imagine half the
>work has already been done. Apparently the processor-specific changes are
>minimal. The next problem is how to utilize the new TT peripherals and such.
As I stated before in comp.os.minix, I intend to do a TT port.
The problem is that I'm still waiting for the delivery of the TT.
It seems they ran out of keyboards.
The changes to get things running are not that big.
However, in order to utilize the TT hardware fully, one would also
abandon shadowing. This is more work.
And finally I want to support some of the new TT peripherals.
That is: the real time clock, the scsi port and the additional rs232 ports.
I don't think this will be available from Prentice Hall before 1992.
I intend to post a beta test version to comp.os.minix before though.
--
Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl)
Centre for Software Technology
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Date: 4 Jul 91 14:35:53 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek)
Subject: Patch for ZZ-COM available thru anonymous FTP
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I do not know if anyone has the ZZ-COM communications program outside
of France, or maybe even Europe, but the author, indirectly, has asked
that his patch to ZZ-COM to make it run on Mega STe's be made
available through anonymous ftp. So I had it placed on laas.laas.fr
in the directory
-rw-r--r-- 1 ralph 759 Jul 1 10:58 zz_patch.prg
-rw-r--r-- 1 ralph 2133 Jul 1 12:16 zz_patch.txt
Cheers,
--
Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77
===============================================================================
Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ;
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Date: 4 Jul 91 03:12:32 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory
@arizona.edu
Subject: STalker/STeno v3.0?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Stalker 3.0 is not out yet. Eric is still fine tuning it and adding little
whistles. He's on GEnie at least every couple of days, you'll hear about it
as soon as its released, right here.
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Date: 3 Jul 91 13:50:24 GMT
From: aurs01!whitcomb@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Subject: STalker/STeno v3.0?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul2.113557.18479@netcom.COM> yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher
Russell) writes:
>Was version 3 of STalker/STeno ever released? Anybody know of a mail-order
>house where I can get it? This version was to support z-modem background
>and scripts. Thanks....
Last I heard Gribnif Software had gotten ahold of the distribution rights
and had turned STalker and STeno into separate packages, and is
charging (I think) $15 to upgrade each to V3.0. Of course, I bought the
two as a single package for about 18 bucks, and if Gribnif thinks I'm
gonna shell out 30 bucks to upgrade, they are out of their minds...
especially when there are far better telecom packages available PD.
I've heard Gribnif usually has outrageous upgrade fees... one of the
reasons I steer clear of their products.
Speaking of telecom software, has anyone tried out Stealth? They really
toot their own horns in the ads, but I haven't heard any real feedback
on the program. I'd need a pretty convincing argument to change from
Uniterm (for VT100 emulation) and Dterm (for general bbs usage). Flash
is a good tool for beginners, but I didn't find STalker useful at all.
**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb UUCP: <whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org>
Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh, NC GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
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Date: 4 Jul 91 07:07:26 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: This week's program
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Comments about "DC Homey"..
I dunno... suppose you're in a completely "BrainDead" application that
doesn't process mouse input properly..?
(I can think of a zillion examples... you forget to put a disk in A: and
the program just freaks out... you get a dialogue box that wants you
to "Abort or Continue" with the default set to Continue.. and naturally
the mouse pointer is disabled... what'cha gonna do..?)
Hit ALT CTL LSHIFT H and the mouse is returned to a known starting position..
even without the pointer being displayed, you can at least hit the Cancel
button a whole lot more easily than just clicking at random..
So it's obscure... would everyone rather have Double Click developing on
the Mac instead..?
BobR
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Date: 4 Jul 91 15:35:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!uace0@
arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman)
Subject: This week's program
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Bob -
That is an excellent example of why we write these "useful ditties"- IMHO.
The actual purpose was brought about by the dimming display of our Stacy and
the ease of losing the mouse cursor. It's very frustrating to try to find the
cursor with the trackball especially in graphic laiden programs... So, off the
top of my head I thought of a "homing" program that would put the cursor in a
specific position on the screen- the result Yet Another Program of the Week
DC Homey.
What the users end up doing with one of our programs is up to them obviously,
even -sadly- file 13. ;)
We (Double Click) have a very ambitious undertaking upon us. It isn't a burden
but a labor of trying to boost the Atari market and heighten our public
recognition. We had hoped that others (developers and hobbiest) would follow
suit and start to "rejuvinate" the user market.... Whether or not this
actually happens only time will tell I guess.
- keith gerdes (Double Click Software)
PS - We like the constructive critcism that others have been giving about our
programs. You can be assured that we take them into conderation each and
every week.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others
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Date: 3 Jul 91 23:30:29 GMT
From: ifi.uio.no!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: What's a STE anyway?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
My MEGA STE has only one fan (no special fan for the harddisk)
But that one fan sure make a lot of noise :-(
Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________
Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: Thu, 04 Jul 91 10:21:33 MEZ
From: Michael Burschik <UPP201%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: ZPCAD - where??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can anyone tell me where to ftp ZPCAD?
Cheers.
Mike.
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Date: 4 Jul 91 16:32 -0100
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To: <atari2@VMS.MPIIB-FREIBURG.mpg.dbp.de
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