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Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 10 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 324
Today's Topics:
Chaos Strikes Back
Connecting an external hard drive to the Mega STE
FSM-GDOS...When? How?
Latest ver. of Prospero-C??
lharc
Looking for Ed Krimen
man w/ pipe
Modem - send fax
More than 4 Meg ??
Motorola 68hc11 cross assembler
New version of BASH 1.05 for MiNT
Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation (4 msgs)
System 7 on Spectre
TT ram revisited
Using BART for large files
X for the ST? (2 msgs)
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Date: 8 Jun 91 18:16:44 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!lsmichae@uunet.uu.ne
t (Lars Michael)
Subject: Chaos Strikes Back
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
pwp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Purdom) writes:
>Does anyone have maps for Chaos Stikes Back that they are willing to mail me?
I don't know if you can ftp, but at atari.archive.umich.edu is
lots of help stuff for CSB.
---
Lars
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| lsmichae@faui43.uni-erlangen.de | | | | |
| Lars Michael | | | | "Down with ATARI, |
| Graduate Student of Computer Science | / | \ Long live the ST !" |
| at University of Erlangen/Germany | / | \ |
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------|
| "May the Schwartz be with you!" |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 91 23:47:35 WET DST
From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: Connecting an external hard drive to the Mega STE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
How can I do this? I'd like to just be able to copy over all my stuff
from my current hard drive (a home brew with a XEBEC S1410 controller,
BBDP host adaptor, and a Seagate ST225) to the Mega's internal before I
sell my current one. Do I have to do things like set SCSI addresses
etc.? They are currently just left at the defaults of 0, and I must
admit I know very little about this side of things.
Any help?
Cheers,
Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1)
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Date: 9 Jun 91 19:46:41 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!well!fh@arizona.edu (Fabian Hahn)
Subject: FSM-GDOS...When? How?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
longj@lonex.radc.af.mil (Jeffrey K. Long) has 4 questions about FSM GDOS:
No, FSM GDOS has not been released yet. Atari is saying 6 weeks, but they
have been saying this for quite some time now.
Yes, the newest beta versions that we have, do include drivers for the
HP laser printers.
No, Goldleaf can not ship FSM until it is released by Atari. But owners
of Wordflair II will be the fist ones to hear about the upgrade and
will be able to purchase it through Goldleaf.
Fabian Hahn
Goldleaf Publishing, Inc.
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Date: 8 Jun 91 21:22:04 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e
du!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!unixhub!slacvm!reeves@arizona.edu (Terry
Reeves)
Subject: Latest ver. of Prospero-C??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Actually, I think the latest version is 1.144. At least, that's the version I
have. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the Developer's Kit, although
I am interested.
Terry
Disclaimer: The above are my opinions and do not reflect those of SLAC,
Stanford Univ, the DOE, or the U.S. government.
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Date: 8 Jun 91 22:21:24 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!horga!nathan!ue@uunet.uu.net (Udo Erdelhoff)
Subject: lharc
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Jun07.185957.19357@convex.com>, William Rosencranz writes:
Hi there,
>no need to eat my words until ALL .lzh files everywhere are converted to
>this new "hot setup". do you see my point now?
get a copy of LHarc 1.1321 and start eating...
/s/
--
Udo Erdelhoff smart: ue@nathan.ruhr.de
Am Westheck 170 Fido: Udo Erdelhoff on 2:245/52.1
W-4600 Dortmund 12 (FRG) Maus: Udo Erdelhoff @ DO
Please keep your replies short - I have to pay for recieving mail
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Date: 9 Jun 91 19:54:13 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!dae
mon@arizona.edu
Subject: Looking for Ed Krimen
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Please excuse the bandwidth...
Ed Krimen, I have lost your mail address. Please mail to me.
Thanks.
BERNATOWICZ@vx6455.dnet.kodak.com
-or- Jim.Bernatowicz@f212.n260.z1.fidonet.org
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Date: 10 Jun 91 08:51:21 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.
de!news@arizona.edu (|S| Florian Dingler)
Subject: man w/ pipe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi folks!
This is what I found out about that man with the pipe. Thanks to all who
answered my question. I included a picture of Bob (see below). Its is the
bit image graphics of the 4 ATARI ST chars (28 to 31).
Hey, that's Bob Dobbs, leader of the Church of the Sub-Genius.
Slack off! Quit your job! Send your money to Bob!!
Bob is indeed a special person, being the revered icon of the Church of the
Sub-Genius.
Consult your weirdest bookstore for details.
Or join newsgroup alt.slack. and ask for details...
#######
#########
######## ##
## # This is Bob Dobbs as found in the
## # ATARI ST charset (chars 28 to 31)
#### #### You could fit his image into two
# ### # # # chars with 8 bit width and 16 bits
# # # height.
# ## # #
## ### ##
## # #
##### #
# ### #
### ####
###
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Date: 9 Jun 91 19:49:34 GMT
From: uhura.cc.rochester.edu!lchd_ltd%uhura.cc.rochester.edu@cs.rochester.edu
(----* Ho Ling Cherd *----)
Subject: Modem - send fax
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Thanks a lot to those who have emailed me about my question about
modem recently. Now I have one more question. I found that some
of the pc's modems come with Send-Fax capability. Could Atari ST
make use of this function (can ST send fax with these modem)?
If I have a Spectre GCR or any IBM emulators, can I use Mac and
IBM fax softwares to send fax? I came across a fax-modem by
Public Domain Corporation which they came that we can send fax
if we have Spectre GCR or and IBM emulator like AT-Speed. So is
this PDC modem same as those pc's modems that have send fax function?
Thanks in advance.
Ling Cherd
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Date: 10 Jun 91 08:49:03 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!avgroeni@uunet.uu.net (Annius Groenink)
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Yes. There exists an autoboot program named SIMMFIX.
The ONLY thing it does is check if the computer THINKS it has 4 MB
and the MMU says it has 2.5MB. Then, it sets the MEMTOP correctly,
and reboots.
~~~~~~~
- several descriptions are around of what happens then.
Some get bombs, some don't, my computer didn't do anything,
that is, the memtop wasn't corrected at all. I rewrote the
program: it jumped to the hd_init vector (or something sounding
alike) in stead of taking the real reset vector, which had the
effect that my machine (with no Hard Disk) did not reset. I changed
this, and it worked fine.
If I'm talking nonsense, please state so on the news. If someone's interested,
do the same, by mail. At this moment, my STE is at the manufacturer for the
famous
HD-problem (problem #2 :-/ ) for some months already. I have not had the
opportunity
to test anything I said here.
--
________________________________________________________
Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.
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Date: 10 Jun 91 02:23:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-
state.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!whitten@arizona.edu
Subject: Motorola 68hc11 cross assembler
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I know this is probably a shot in the dark, but I'm looking
for a 68hc11 cross assembler that someone has ported to the
ST. I have the source for the ibm version, but can't get it
to compile on my poor little 1040, and since my C knowledge
is very limited, I can't fix 'er up.
If anyone has done this, zap me at the address below.
Regards,
Chris
==============================================================================
WHITTEN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU Chris Whittenburg, Univ. of Kansas
WHITTEN@UKANVAX.bitnet Electrical Engineering
==============================================================================
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Date: 8 Jun 91 11:20:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!ugle.unit.no!ugle.unit.no!erlin
gh@arizona.edu (Erling Henanger)
Subject: New version of BASH 1.05 for MiNT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Please send binaries and patches, maybe as two separate files if the
patches are big.
Erling.
--
_______ _____ o ____ Erling Henanger
/___ /____/ / / /| / / Norwegian Institute
/ /\ / / / | / | ___ of Technology. (NTH)
------ / \ /____ / / |/ \____| o MS-dos should be dying!
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Date: 8 Jun 91 20:53:36 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!
toumon!commgw!wucc. dÉ ÌÆ^ %ÒBér£ªA '@ H@ øHà ø D Dø H àø @ø øäø@xàHÀ@à ù ààH$d øà À@À@à ÿ $øàø øø8àøäø@ D |ø <ø Dù Dü | Dø ø øà$Dø ø ø È øäø HøyÄøÀ xà ÈüD<|ø <ü d dü9$ø ø ø8@ø Hø À?
À8àxLø8à ùäø@ D$ ù ø HDø Dø ø@ xx H ø xx'H D ø ø @ ü|ø8øH Lü< ø Lø@ 8 $ If yours
is already equipped with the driver and the floppy drives, you should
be able to format the diskettes! When you have formatted the floppy,
if you write SunOs info onto the first blocks by 'mkfs', you will have
a SunOs floppy, and if you write IBM-PC info, you will have an IBM-PC
floppy. If you haven't got the PC format program on your system,
I can send you the appropriate data format of the first blocks of PC
diskettes.
(My ST is equipped with TEAC's FD235HF, the same drive you probably have
inside your SCSI floppy drive. So I can send you the data for 2HD and 2DD
if you like).
Tsuji
ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
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Date: 8 Jun 91 22:24:37 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd
@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <5807@wucc.waseda.ac.jp>, ytsuji@wucc.waseda.ac.jp (Y.Tsuji) writes:
>I am going to have a sun3/60 with its OS 4.0.3 in two day's time, giving up
>buying a more PC compatible 3/80 with 4.1.1 (I didn't know these were much
>cheaper than MEGA ST's). If yours does not support floppy
>drives, you must 'ftp' the driver ('mtool' or something). If yours
>is already equipped with the driver and the floppy drives, you should
>be able to format the diskettes! When you have formatted the floppy,
>if you write SunOs info onto the first blocks by 'mkfs', you will have
>a SunOs floppy, and if you write IBM-PC info, you will have an IBM-PC
>floppy. If you haven't got the PC format program on your system,
>I can send you the appropriate data format of the first blocks of PC
>diskettes.
The Mtools package is not just a driver for the floppy drive. It is a
collection of MS-DOS style utilities which allow you to read, write, make
directoried, cd, change attributes, etc. It is much easier to use than
the canned stuff Sun provides. Also, the Sun stuff is incredibly picky
about formatting floppies. If it gets just one error, it totally aborts.
I would advise formatting on a PC or your ST, and if you can compile Mtools
use it. It is really nice.
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 9 Jun 91 00:23:48 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!toumon!wucc!ytsuji@arizon
a.edu (Y.Tsuji)
Subject: Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
(1)If your OS allows to 'pc mount', you should be able to format/read/
write/'mkfs'/'pc mount' your floppies. Most SPARCstations use 4.1.1,
which is all right.
(2) Otherwise you need to add a floppy drive driver ('mtool' or something
to be 'ftp'ed).
(3) As the physical formatting shouldn't be different (512 bytes/sector),
DOS/TOS, SunOs, Minix diskettes are only differently initialised.
(4) Easiest way is to copy the first 72 sectors (72 x 512 bytes, that is)
from a freshly formatted DOS/TOS diskette to a file and then copy the file
to any diskette. This is equal to initialising the diskette in DOS/TOS
format. (72x512 bytes applies to 1.44 MB diskettes).
(5) A minor problem remains that the Volume Serial Number (TOS's poor
equivalent is three bytes, but the locations are different) and other
info specific to the diskette will be identical to the original.
You can re-write those if you like.
Tsuji
ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
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Date: 9 Jun 91 03:35:30 GMT
From: quasi-eli!cs.yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fischer-michael@yale.arpa (Michael
Fischer)
Subject: Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1372@zinn.MV.COM> kgg@zinn.MV.COM (Kenn Goutal) writes:
>In article <1991Jun04.154053.11570@lut.ac.uk> M.A.Rahin@lut.ac.uk
>(Mohammad A. Rahin) writes that he needs to know how to format,
>read, and write TOS floppies on a Sparcstation.
>
>I too would benefit from this information.
>-- Kenn Goutal
Others have mentioned the "mtools" package. It can be obtained by ftp
from cerl.cecer.army.mil and works quite well.
If you are running SunOS version 4.1, then you have another option.
SunOS now supports MS-DOS file systems. The file system type is
called "pcfs", and it is used with the normal Unix commands, e.g.,
"mount" to mount it, "ls" to list the directory, etc. Since mount
normally requires root privileges, you might need your system
administrator to provide a trivial setuid root program to call mount
with the appropriate arguments. Also, an appropriate entry must be
made in /etc/fstab.
--
==================================================
| Michael Fischer <fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu> |
==================================================
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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 91 23:43:18 WET DST
From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: System 7 on Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I must admit to being utterly confused. You see, as I've said, I've seen
this work! It was working on a 4meg STE (expanded 520), running version
1.9f of the software. It wasn't GCR, but Spectre 128 as well. What's
happening??!!
Oh yeah, can I use the latest software upgrades with just the 128
hardware?
Cheers,
Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1)
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Date: 9 Jun 91 10:21:06 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger
Sheppard)
Subject: TT ram revisited
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <3590@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> mbaker@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Matthew
Baker) writes:
> From article <meulenbr.676276267@cstw163>, by meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl
(Frans Meulenbroeks):
> > Hi,
>
> Hi... :)
>
> > Also I found out that the TT ram is 100ns ram. I do not have any 68030
> > doc handy, but with a 32 Mhz clock, I think at least one (and very maybe 2)
> > wait states will be required to access this memory.
> > Would it be technically feasible to replace this memory with faster
> > memory, and get rid of this wait state? Will 80 ns be enough to get rid
> > of the wait state, or should 60 ns be used??
>
> At the risk of making a fool of myself, I should call to notice the fact
> that most larger Intel-powered systems use 70 or 80ns DRAMs, with
> similar clock speeds. Even these chips aren't fast enough to keep up
> with the CPU. Various techniques are used to ensure that, most of the time,
> the same DRAM is not read twice in two machine cycles... on the rare
> occurence that it is, a wait state is inserted... - thus, you get quotes
> of 0.01 wait states, etc.
>
> > Since, if I'm not mistaken, the 68030 requires at least 3 clock cycles to
> > do a memory access. So removing a wait cycle would speed up the memory
> > access from 4 to 3 cycles. which would (in theory) lead to a speed
> > gain of something like 25 %. Now of course not all cpu activity is
> > memory access, so perhaps this figure is on the high side, but it seems
> > to me that a substantial gain could be obtained here.
>
> Not being sure of the exact details for the '030, but with the 000 and 010
> there are 4 clock cycles between /AS and the first scan for /DTACK.
> As I said, if the memory architecture is properly designed, in most
> instances, the memory will be capable of responding immediately.
>
> Any comments from those more familiar with the 030 and the TT's
> architecture are welcome...
>
> > Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl)
> > Centre for Software Technology
>
> Matthew
Well from what I have read, its only the CPU that runs at 32 mhz, the
other bits (buss) runs at 16 mhz.
Is it not the same as these 16 mhz Turbo options for the ST, you still keep
you standard Rams and Roms, ie, only the CPU runs at that speed ?.
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not ***
*** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! ***
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Date: 8 Jun 91 15:55:07 GMT
From: bu.edu!m2c!crackers!jjmhome!hunt@uunet.uu.net (Tad J. Hunt)
Subject: Using BART for large files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, if you send mail to bart with the word "help" in the body, it'll tell you
how to go about getting files larger than your daily limit............
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Date: 10 Jun 91 05:59:41 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!agate!earthquake.Berkeley.EDU!limsico@ar
izona.edu (Carl Limsico)
Subject: X for the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
This question has probably already been asked several times, but
here it goes: Does anyone know of any type of X-Window
emulation/server/host for the ST? Please either e-mail or post
replies!
Carl
limsico@ocf.berkeley.edu
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Date: 10 Jun 91 09:49:38 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!ma
th.fu-berlin.de!tmpmbx!netmbx!perstoro@arizona.edu (Wilhelm Schaefer)
Subject: X for the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
limsico@earthquake.Berkeley.EDU (Carl Limsico) writes:
> This question has probably already been asked several times, but
>here it goes: Does anyone know of any type of X-Window
>emulation/server/host for the ST? Please either e-mail or post
>replies!
There is!
I have seen it on the c-bit this year.
It was a st with x-win connected to a unix-tt.
But it was not working too good. :-(
As far as I seen it....
On the other hand there is a programm called UW (unix windows).
I think it was designed for the mac first, but it has been
ported to the st by someone.
After typing *UW* in the first window the host starts Unix-Windows and
from now on you can use, I think about 6, windows.
So I am able to work at different suns at the same time......
Thats fun :-)
(So my st could "have" 100 MIP's ore more... )
so long
-- --- good old perstoro --- --
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