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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 253
Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 6 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 253
Today's Topics:
"Install Application"
50hz Spectrum 512 viewer
C++ compiler
Cal 4.7 - problems with 'save'?
Cal 4.7 - problems with 'save'?exit
Drawing, plotting, ...? (2 msgs)
GEMINI (2 msgs)
How to do the overscan mod to a 1040ST?
lzh question
Postscript Converter for 1st Word +
Prospero Software - U.S. Distributor?
Question: Pascal for the ST?
TT & HD on DMA/TT & UNITERM
Weird TT hard disk thingy
Who knows SH204 interiors? Help!
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Date: 6 May 91 20:23:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!glens@arizona.edu
(Glen Sescila)
Subject: "Install Application"
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is it good practice to Install one application for many different
file extensions ? (such as a text editor for .c .s .doc .txt)
Also, can you Install a new application for an extension that is
already used for a different application to "deinstall" the old one ?
And finally is there any limit to the number of applications you
can have installed ?
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 6 May 91 20:50:58 WET DST
From: Mr I C Mccall <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: 50hz Spectrum 512 viewer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know where I can get one of these?
Cheers,
Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1)
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Date: 3 May 91 19:18:00 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!artco
m0!hb.maus.de!bn.maus.de!Klaus_Guhr@arizona.edu (Klaus Guhr)
Subject: C++ compiler
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
DJ> Simple question - Is there a C++ compiler for the ST?
GNU C++ V. 1.35.
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Date: 6 May 91 16:26:53 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ncar!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@arizona.edu
(Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Cal 4.7 - problems with 'save'?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May6.115950.4773@uni-paderborn.de>, marc@uni-paderborn.de (Marc
Gumbold) writes:
>I unbundled the nice 'Cal v4.7' tool (posted in c.b?.atari.st some
>time ago). It's really nice, and I would really like to use it.
>But then after playing around with it a while I decided to enter
>my personal birthday list. I did it and then I left the program
>with asked me to save my changes. Well, I pressed the [save] button,
>and expected the file select box to come up. But, instead ...
>...?
>...?
>... nothing happened. Nothing! The program hung. I waited some rather
>long time (perhaps this nifty thingy has to clean up its tables after
>entering quite a lot of new data? - I thought) but... nothing. I finally
>(siiiiiiiiiigh!) pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del. I hoped it was a single effect
>and would never return again... I started entering my birthday list again,
>saved some times in between, all went well, but... half way through...
>save failed again with the same behaviour. I was rather annoyed.
I helped to beta test the program. For one thing, when you say "save", it
does not immediately write to the disk. What it does is save THAT particular
event into it's database uniquely. If you hit "repl", it replaces the one
you edited with the new one. Only when you exit the program does it actually
save to disk (after asking you).
>
>I like that program (no, really, besides that effect, at least). The
>author left no e-mail address (and I'm too lazy to write postcards...
>perhaps I should, yep). So, anyone else out there with the same problem?
>I think I did have no spectacular environment, but, to be sure, something
>like: 520 ST+ (1MB) monochrome, TOS 1.4, CardFile, Rho Control Field and
>Cal 4.7 as ACCs, Desktop Picture (v. Kruysbergen?), Vortex HDplus 30, ...
>
>It would really be a pity if I couldn't use that nifty program just
>because of some stupid misbehaviour like this...
I have a real funny feeling that it is something else in your setup, or that
it was working fine but you did not understand what it was doing. I am getting
ready to post the latest version (5.0), which has a rewritten manual. I
suggest you get it from atari.archive (in a couple of days). In the mean time,
why don't you try putting it on a floppy and running without any auto or
other acc's. I am unsure if the program locked up, or just did not "save" the
way you thought it should (from your above description). If it is the
second, the program was working fine (you just need to exit all the way out
for it to write to disk, after all editing is done). If it is the first,
I would say it is another acc or something. Personally, I use it renamed as
a .prg, since I don't trust accs :-).
>
>Any ideas? Is the author reading this? (forgot your name, boy, my ST's
>at home)
>
His name is Bill Aycock. Great guy.
--
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Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 6 May 91 19:42:51 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rl
collins@arizona.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Subject: Cal 4.7 - problems with 'save'?exit
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I had problems with it and Gemini (or GDOS). I tried to use the program,
but with GDOS loaded, I get an error FROM GDOS about some invalid
handle, and then it hangs. Any ideas? (This is with AMCLITE.PRG, not
Atari GDOS.)
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Date: 6 May 91 17:00:32 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Drawing, plotting, ...?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May6.121144.4862@uni-paderborn.de>, marc@uni-paderborn.de (Marc
Gumbold) writes:
>As I decided to give my poor old ST yet another chance to be
>treated as a real, usable, reasonable, adult computer, I'm looking for
>(possibly from the PD realm...):
>
> (b) some plot program that could plot x-y (or better
> x-y1-y2-...-yn) style data files and, if possible,
> function graphs. Or, put it this way, is there a
> decent port of Gnuplot running on a 1 MB monochrome
> ST available? (Think I read something like that somewhere...)
I have several great programs for this. First of all, you can try SubCal 1.14
on atari.archive.umich.edu. It is primarily a calculation tool, but does
support graphing. Now, here is my problem. I have two tools from magazines.
They are Sci-Plot and Ultra-Graph. Either one would be ideal for what you
want (Sci-Plot is probably better, as it is more printout oriented). However,
I am unsure if I can put them on atari.archive. Does anyone know? One of the
magazines is dead (STlog), so would that one be ok? Is STart dead yet? Here
are the issues:
STart November 1988 - Sci Plot
STlog November 1988 - Ultra-Graph (geez, that's weird!! I never noticed
the identical dates before?!?)
Anyway, if you can find the back issues with disk, you have got it made.
Otherwise, if someone can figure out a way that I can legally put them
somewhere, let me know.
Sci Plot is geared toward making professional graph printouts. They
come out looking great, and it is very flexible in terms of data input,
graph type, error bars, placement, text on the graph, etc.
Ultra-Graph is more of a screen oriented function plotter. It is absolutely
stunning on a color monitor (I remember many days of dinking with this
one when I got it). Also looks nice in high res. It can do 2D stuff, but
it was really designed to show 3D plots. You can move your point of
perspective, enter your own functions, change colors, etc.
--
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Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 6 May 91 18:07:56 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@arizona.edu
(Timothy Gallivan)
Subject: Drawing, plotting, ...?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May6.122808.3748@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey
Boyd) writes:
|> In article <1991May6.121144.4862@uni-paderborn.de>, marc@uni-paderborn.de
(Marc Gumbold) writes:
|> >As I decided to give my poor old ST yet another chance to be
|> >treated as a real, usable, reasonable, adult computer, I'm looking for
|> >(possibly from the PD realm...):
|> >
|> > (b) some plot program that could plot x-y (or better
|> > x-y1-y2-...-yn) style data files and, if possible,
|> > function graphs. Or, put it this way, is there a
|> > decent port of Gnuplot running on a 1 MB monochrome
|> > ST available? (Think I read something like that somewhere...)
I have a the ST port of gnuplot, but the screen driver is not very good.
Also, it is command line oriented and produces mediocre printer
ouput, even though it supports postscript. I have tried several other
PD plotters, but they are generally disappointing.
[stuff about Sci-Plot, Subcal, and Ultra-graph]
|> Sci Plot is geared toward making professional graph printouts. They
|> come out looking great, and it is very flexible in terms of data input,
|> graph type, error bars, placement, text on the graph, etc.
I have had Sci-Plot for a long time. It is great, but is basically
worthless to me for one reason. It cannot produce high quality
output files. Plots can be saved as DEGAS pictures, but that is the
best it can do. I need GEM metafile or postscript output.
|> Ultra-Graph is more of a screen oriented function plotter. It is absolutely
|> stunning on a color monitor (I remember many days of dinking with this
|> one when I got it). Also looks nice in high res. It can do 2D stuff, but
|> it was really designed to show 3D plots. You can move your point of
|> perspective, enter your own functions, change colors, etc.
Does this thing plot 3D DATA (not just functions)? Does it produce
resolution independent output? If so, I want it.
There is some commercial graphing software called FirstGraph which
produces GEM output files, but I have been unable to find the demo program.
I refuse to purchase it until I can try it out. Does anyone know where
I can get this demo?
Tim Gallivan
timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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Date: 6 May 91 17:50:55 GMT
From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@uunet.uu.net (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: GEMINI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Jonathan Carroll writes:
>...
>My problems with Gemini are relatively solvable so I won't
>mention them (I'm running TOS 1.0 %-0 ) EXCEPT -->
>
>1. ...
>
>2. ...
>
>3. How do I add icons to Gemini ?? I've done it using a resource
> editor but the small and large icons don't quite measure up/match
> (meaning --> If I make a large icon and a small icon for the same
> program to use, how do I put them in the resource so that they line
> up when assigning them to a file ?)
Well, I don't really understand this question because, in Gemini, there is
no need for a small icon to line up with a large icon. Gemini can display
either large or small icons...but *not* both on the desktop. If you take a
closer look you 'll find out that there are 2 seperate trees in the resource
file GEMINIIC.RSC, one for large icons and one for small ones.
Perhaps what you 're trying to do is to mix large icons with small icons
_inside_ the same tree. Although you are free to do something like that it
is quite messy and IMHO will make Gemini's desktop look awfuly inconsistent.
The "right" way to add icons is the following:
1. use any resource editor that accepts icons (the PD MKRSC.PRG doesn't)
2. open the file GEMINIIC.RSC
3. open the 2nd tree (it's the one with the large icons)
4. Now if the resource editor provides a way of sorting objects, you can
add the new icon anywhere in the tree otherwise I suggest you add it as
the last object in the tree.
5. Sort the tree (if this feature is provided by the editor)
6. close the 2nd tree
7. open the 3rd tree (it's the one with the small icons)
8. repeat step #4, being carefull to place the new icon at the same point you
placed the corresponding large icon in the 2nd tree. (i.e. if you put the
large icon as the 5th object in the second tree, you _must_ put the corre-
sponding small icon as the 5th object in the 3rd tree)
9. repeat step #5, being carefull to sort the 3rd tree in the same way you did
with the 2nd tree.
10.close the 3rd tree
11.save the modified file
12.close the resource file
The whole process seems tedious, but I think that the fact that Gemini sup-
ports variable-size icons makes it up.
whaoo...the article turned out to be longer than thought..I am sorry
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Date: 6 May 91 20:13:55 GMT
From: @oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Subject: GEMINI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <80943@bu.edu.bu.edu> harryk@bucsf.bu.edu (Harry Karayiannis) writes:
} Jonathan Carroll writes:
[Huh ???? Not one to brag BUT I wrote the quoted material that follows]
} >...
} >My problems with Gemini are relatively solvable so I won't
} >mention them (I'm running TOS 1.0 %-0 ) EXCEPT -->
Meaning .. I could always get TOS 1.4 (I'm working on it (Honest :-))
} >3. How do I add icons to Gemini ?? I've done it using a resource
} Well, I don't really understand this question because, in Gemini, there is
(Actually you do :-).... You answer it later on :-))
} no need for a small icon to line up with a large icon. Gemini can display
} either large or small icons...but *not* both on the desktop. If you take a
WRONG !!!!!! If you put some program icons onto the desktop it
(Gemini) uses the current icon size (And keeps THOSE icons that size).
So you can have both large AND small icons on the desktop at the same time.
} closer look you 'll find out that there are 2 seperate trees in the resource
} file GEMINIIC.RSC, one for large icons and one for small ones.
I noticed.....
} Perhaps what you 're trying to do is to mix large icons with small icons
} _inside_ the same tree. Although you are free to do something like that it
Not quite......
} The "right" way to add icons is the following:
[I deleted this... it answers my question..... and is basically the
way I did it (except for putting ALL of the new icons at the end of
the two icon trees in the right order--Oops)]
} The whole process seems tedious, but I think that the fact that Gemini sup-
} ports variable-size icons makes it up.
Actually, I had fun doing it :-). The one thing to notice is that IF
you add a large icon in the one tree you MUST add a small icon in the
same position in the other tree. That's where I really goofed. (I also
added a couple more icons for different types of devices to the first
tree but hadn't checked them out yet.... %-) )
} whaoo...the article turned out to be longer than thought..I am sorry
but chock full of info..... which is what counts around here :-)
-Andy-
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Date: 6 May 91 20:12:02 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rl
collins@arizona.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Subject: How to do the overscan mod to a 1040ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can someone please help me with Overscan. I would really like to install
it, but all the stuff on atari.archive is very confusing, and doesn't
really explain it that well. If someone could tell me how to do it to my
1040ST I would be very appreciative!!
Thanks......
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|||| Power Without What IS the format of a rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET
/ || \ The Price!! MAC HFS floppy disk? R.COLLINS1 on GEnie
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Date: 6 May 91 14:58:22 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute)
Subject: lzh question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May4.143037.22718@cs.dal.ca>, silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill
Silvert) writes:
|> Just install *.LZH as an UNLZH application and click on the archive to
|> extract it. I haven't actually looked at my version of UNLZH for ages,
|> it is so easy to extract *.LZH archives this way. Same works for *.ARC
|> files with UNARC. Just wish that I could extract ZOO archives as
|> easily.
|> Should be a simple hack of BOOZ -- has anyone done this?
You can *almost* do this with Arcgsh 3.5: Install Arcgsh as a desktop
application for *.ZOO files, doubleclick on a Zoo archive and you are
presented an options dialog. Here you simply select the "extract" button,
click on "OK" and your archive will be extracted.
This works the same for Arc and LHarc archives, and even for uuencoded files.
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
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Date: 6 May 91 16:23:16 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!csual@uunet.uu.net (Jason Morris)
Subject: Postscript Converter for 1st Word +
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I seem to remember a discussion a while back about PostScript converters but I
never followed it at the time.
However, I've just been given an assignment and the lecturer insists on
everything being laser printed and I don't have one of those! What I want
to be able to do is write the docs etc with 1st Word + on my ST, save the
output in PostScript format, and then I can stick it on the laser here at Uni.
I have had a few ideas like using barrel.prg and a PostScript printer
driver, but I haven't looked closely to see whether either can do the job!
Any other ideas would be appreciated, as I can't be bothered to learn nroff!
Jas.
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Date: 6 May 91 16:48:03 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!erka
mp@arizona.edu (Bob Erkamp)
Subject: Prospero Software - U.S. Distributor?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am trying to track down the U.S. distributor for Prospero Software. I need to
update my compilers (C & Fortran) to work with TOS 1.4. I have a email address
for Prospero in England but I would rather deal with an U.S. distributor if I
can. Does anyone know how to get in contact with them?
Thanks
Bob
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Date: 6 May 91 20:17:01 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!vsnyder@arizona.edu (Van Snyder)
Subject: Question: Pascal for the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May3.134817.17871@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey
Boyd) writes:
>As a sub note, all Prospero compilers (C, Pascal, FORTRAN) can share object
>files, and have the same touchy feelie front end. Also, the C and Pascal
>(I do not know about the FORTRAN) are ANSI.
Prospero Fortran is ANSI X3.9-1978 compatible. The arithmetic is IEEE format,
but doesn't work like IEEE says it should - the fraction seems to have one
less bit than it ought, and there are some other quirks. I discovered this
by running PARANOIA, which I got from NETLIB. A limitation I encountered
was that a program unit couldn't have more than 32k of instruction space.
--
vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
ames!elroy!jato!vsnyder
vsnyder@jato.uucp
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Date: 6 May 91 16:12:09 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: TT & HD on DMA/TT & UNITERM
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Re: TT and hard drives. I had a problem with the TT (and MegaSTE) not
recognizing an ICD drive on the DMA port. I called CS&S in Toronto
(they sell ICD drives to dealers) and they told me to take off the
parity jumper on the drive. Once I did that, the TT and MegaSTE
recognized the external HD.
Re: UNITERM on the TT. It works, but it only uses 640x400 pixels
on the TTM195. On the PTC1426, you can set the rez to ST high and
UNITERM works fine.
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Date: 6 May 91 14:23:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!unmvax!uokmax!d.cs.okstate.edu!unx2.ucc.okstate.edu!cummins@ar
izona.edu (John Cummins)
Subject: Weird TT hard disk thingy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2925@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
>
>In any case, you are mistaken. A working setup on an ST will work fine on
>a TT. What part of this conversation makes you think it won't? The only
>oddity will be that SCSI drives (like the internal one), if present, will
>have their partitions appear first in the sequence of drive letters. But
>if you have a working chain of drives coming out of your ST, and you unplug
>the end of the chain from the ST and plug it into the TT, all those drives
>will be accessible and will work just fine.
>
Even if there is no drive 0 in the working chain of drives attached to
the ASCI port? ie, my ICD drives, with ASCI to SCSI adapter and drives
with SCSI id's 2 and 4? (I havn't the foggiest what ASCI id they (it?)
would have, from previous disclosures, I understand I can have an ASCI
id 0-7 for 8 different host adapters, and 0-7 SCSI id's on each?)
naw... I thought the host adapter was "transparent" and the SCSI id's on
the ASCI attached drives became the ASCI id.
Conjecture: My two drives (SCSI id's 2,4 on an ICD host) would show up
as ASCI id's 2,4 and work just fine (With ICD's software) attached to a
TT.
>Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
>reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
John Cummins
(still wondering IF there's a problem with NOT having an SCSI ID 0 on a
chain of host adapter equipped drives attached to an ASCI port on a TT)
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Date: 6 May 91 17:03:25 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@uunet.uu.net
(Claus Brod)
Subject: Who knows SH204 interiors? Help!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
sievert@gypsy.ims.fhg.de (Karsten Sievert) writes:
> Q: The SH204 controller accesses my ST251 HD-drive after the HD has finished
>it's selftest. It's not the Atari, it's the controller, as the Atari does
>not have to be connected. What does the controller look for on the HD?
>None of my friends (most of them use IBM's) has any idea.
The Adaptec tries to read the disk's format from the drive itself. The
format data must have been written onto the drive before, of course. This is
done when formatting the drive.
After reading the disk format, the controller seeks to 18 zones on the
surface of the drive.
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