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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 436
Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 16 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 436
Today's Topics:
Accelerators for the ST forsale
Amigoids from hell
Atari CD-ROM?
Atari Show - how much? (3 msgs)
gnu emacs keybindings and 50 line mode
Gobs o' MIDI stuff FOR SALE !!! (gosh!)
HiSoft
Line_A Versus VDI
MIDInet
Puting a pixel to screen (2 msgs)
TT and Genlock (2 msgs)
TT demos and sound samples wanted
Version
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Date: 12 Aug 91 05:04:38 GMT
From: sequent!muncher.sequent.com!ether!bug!stevef@uunet.uu.net (Steven R
Fordyce)
Subject: Accelerators for the ST forsale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have come to possess a large number of Processor Accelerators for the 520,
1040, and Mega ST that I will sell for $65 each shipping included. I will
sell two for $100. These are new units, in the box, were built by CMI and
are fully tested. These accelerators are on multilayer boards that plug
into a socket you solder onto the 68000. These boards are built around a 16
MHz 68000 and run at double the standard processor speed. The speed
up you get with this product depends on the software you are running, but it
runs from 10 to 30%.
These boards (there is a different one for the 520/Mega or 1040, so let me
know what you want) also accept 68881 floating point unit of any speed,
although it doesn't pay to get one faster than 16 MHz. For software that
uses the math chip you can get speed ups of eight to ten times or more.
There is also a socket for an Atari blitter chip if your machine didn't come
with one. You can get these from your Atari dealer.
These boards originally sold for around $300. Schematics and PAL equations
are available on request. Complete instructions are included. DON'T try to
install one of these if you are not handy with a soldering iron and haven't
done this kind of thing before! I will not be liable for your mistakes.
If you want one of these, call or send a check to:
Steven R. Fordyce
6913 Sunnyview Rd NE
Salem, OR 97305-9543
(503)362-8637
Steven R. Fordyce uunet!sequent!ether!stevef
--
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef I am the NRA Steven R. Fordyce
Not all activists are leftists ... We have an energy policy: the free market.
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Date: 13 Aug 91 00:16:54 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!c
huck@arizona.edu (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD))
Subject: Amigoids from hell
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hey guys! Guess what Amiga users are saying about you in the IBM area...
In an article, aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan) writes:
>From article <1991Aug8.005832.20798@herald.usask.ca>, by lowey@herald.usask.ca
(Kevin Lowey,159 Physics,(306) 966-4826,(306) 249-3232):
>>>> I have noticed that there are more Amiga "gatecrashers"
>>>> in other groups than there are other "gatecrashers" into their groups.
>>>> Why is this so? Are they all show-offs? Small-dick-syndrome or what?
>No, pity on those obliged to put up with MessDros and its kind :-)
>Curiously, the intruders into the Amiga areas are mainly crazed Atari
>owners. There are few IBMers, presumably they are quite happy in their
>cocoon.
>Allan Duncan ACSnet a.duncan@trl.oz
>(+613) 541 6708 Internet a.duncan@trl.oz.au
> UUCP {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan
>Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
Gee, I have read the Atari and IBM groups for some time now, and I never
realised that you Atari guys were invading the Amiga newsgroups like crazed
maniacs. I guess you can only know people so well... :-)
--
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
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Date: 12 Aug 91 16:29:22 GMT
From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Atari CD-ROM?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <14336@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> kiki@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack W.
Wine) writes:
>In article <1896@mwca.UUCP> bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) writes:
>>CD-I players are based on the 68340 chip, a derivative of the 68020, and
>>CD-RTOS, a specialized version of OS-9. Since the STE (or TT) can both
>>run OS-9, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for either machine to be
>>CD-I compatible, though it might take some additional hardware (on a VME
>>card?) to support the full motion video.
>I hope more information can be given on CD-RTOS...
Specific CD-RTOS information is generally only useful to manufacturers of
CD-I and related equipment, because you must have a "Green Book" license from
Philips to use it. However, OS-9 (which will run on the ST/TT and all other
68xxx-based hardware) information (which at an applications level is virtually
identical to CD-RTOS) is available from Microware, (800)475-9000 or
(515)224-1929. If you have interest in becoming a CD-I developer (get in
early - remember how well Activision did as the first 3rd party Atari VCS
developer?) producing multimedia software titles (games, education,
reference, entirely new unthought-of applications) contact a Microware rep,
who can refer you to vendors of CD-I development tools.
>Mating Microware's CD-RTOS with Motorola's M68340 super-muscular micro-
>controller sounds awesomely devastating. Supposedly, one series of CD-I
>machines will use a Signetics 68070 which is something like a 68K with
>integrated DMA, timer and I/O support.
While the 68070 was originally to be the CPU for CD-I hardware, I believe
that all manufacturers will now be using the 68340 to handle the additional
demands full-motion video will require. The difference between the two chips
is roughly analogous to the difference between the 68000 and the 68020.
>I don't know much about the M68340, but found this info about a close
>relation, the M68332:
>...
A Motorola rep could answer this far more authoritatively, but I believe the
difference lies in the support hardware (serial/timer support, etc.). Each
chip is best suited for its own particular application; for CD-I the 68340
is most suitable.
Sorry if this topic is wandering a bit from the ST/TT, though those machines
could certainly play a significant role in CD-I development given the right
tools. Follow-up to e-mail or comp.os.os9 may be more appropriate...
Disclaimer: My company produces OS-9, CD-RTOS, and other CD-I software/tools.
--
##############################################################################
# Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill #
# Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 #
############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################
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Date: 13 Aug 91 09:59:25 GMT
From: castle.edinburgh.ac.uk!eang62@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Herbert Sauro)
Subject: Atari Show - how much?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear Netters,
Does anybody know how much (I assume its not free) the enterance fee is
for the Atari show in Germany? I've written to Atari and (suprisingly)
they sent me their show blurb but no hint as to how much it might cost
to enter.
One other question, why does a TT cost almost as much as a decent Mac
in the UK while in Germany its almost a 1000 pounds cheaper?
Herb
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Date: 13 Aug 91 17:03:27 GMT
From: ERCVAX.EDINBURGH.AC.UK!EANG62@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Atari show - how much?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear Netters,
Does anybody know how much (I assume its not free) the enterance fee is
for the Atari show in Germany? I've written to Atari and (suprisingly)
they sent me their show blurb but no hint as to how much it might cost
to enter.
One other question, why does a TT cost almost as much as a decent Mac
in the UK while in Germany its almost a 1000 pounds cheaper?
Herb
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Date: 13 Aug 91 12:07:53 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf)
Subject: Atari Show - how much?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <9108130959.aa23637@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eang62@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk
(Herbert Sauro) writes:
>
> Dear Netters,
>
> Does anybody know how much (I assume its not free) the enterance fee is
> for the Atari show in Germany? I've written to Atari and (suprisingly)
> they sent me their show blurb but no hint as to how much it might cost
> to enter.
If you mean the Atari fair in Duesseldorf from 23.8.-25.8.91:
Last year the enterance was 7.- DM (ca. 2,5 Pounds?)
bst
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Date: 13 Aug 91 07:24:09 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!geog.ubc.ca!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter Jackson)
Subject: gnu emacs keybindings and 50 line mode
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have just set up jrd's gnu emacs port (v18.55) for the ST, and have
a couple of questions I'm hoping someone can help with:
1. Is is possible to map the keypad to something useful (besides
what is printed on the keys which is not particularly)
2. Is there anyway to get it to display 50 lines of text (in mono)?
(I have set nrows 50 in gulam, and tried hi50.prg, however only
half of the screen is used by emacs)
Thanks for any help.
--
======================================================================
Peter L. Jackson | peter@geog.ubc.ca
Atmospheric Science Programme | pjackson@unixg.ubc.ca
Department of Geography | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet
University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150
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Date: 12 Aug 91 22:39:07 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!tod@arizona.edu
(Tod Edward Kurt)
Subject: Gobs o' MIDI stuff FOR SALE !!! (gosh!)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hey everyone, what you've always wanted: a complete MIDI system!
(but I will part with the parts --after all: parts is parts)
Prices (descriptions follow below):
----------------------------------
Atari 1040 STfm + stuff -- $500
Ensoniq Mirage + other stuf -- $500
Roland MT32 sound module -- $250
Dr.T's KCS 1.7 for ST -- $125
Dr.T's D20/D10/D110 editor -- $75
Kurzweil 1000 series ObjectMover-- $50
MIDImouse MT32 editor -- $50
Ulitmate Keyboard stand + shelf -- $50
Note: all reasonable/irrational offers considered. I'm parting with all of
this stuff because my loan shark, Guido, is gonna....no, actually
it's because I'm upgrading to a Mac IIci & EPS 16+ and need the cash.
All of this stuff is in real good condition (honest!) and has never
left my personal hi-tech recording studio (read: my bedroom).
I'd prefer if someone in the Ca. area bought the big stuff, but if
you really want it, go for it. However, you pay shipping.
MIDI computer: Atari 1040 STfm
------------- - 12" color monitor, 2 3.5" 720k drives, Epson RX-80 printer,
- 1 Mb Ram, thousands o' colors, good built-in sound
- built in MIDI ports (in, out & kinda-thru)
- disks & disks of software (not much organization,
but, hey, half the fun is finding out all you get!)
- but you do get many namebrand games, applications, etc.
- and lots o' documentation
MIDI software: * Dr. T's KCS 1.7 -- pro quality sequencing software
-------------- - not for the weak-hearted, but really powerful
- 3 modes: tape-style mode, sequence-mode, song-mode
- MPE: Multi Program Environment supported, so you
can mulitask your brains out
* Dr.T's D20/10/110 editor / librarian
- awesome, awesome, awesome. Fully MPE compatible
(edit patches while you sequence)
- easy to use, easy to get good sounds with
- includes 6 banks (6x64 sounds) of way cool stuff
* MIDImouse MT32 editor / librarian
- cool editor prog, also friendly, easy to use
- with librarian Desk Accessory
* Kurzweil 1000 series ObjectMover Librarian
- works with any 1000 series device (PX, HX, SX)
- includes a whole slew of new sounds to play with.
MIDI keyboard: Ensoniq Mirage
------------- -awesome classic sampler, 8 voice multitimbral
(can be tricked into 16 voices)
-MASOS software --advanced sampling effects on board
-good keyboard feel (this was my master controller for
including release velocity!)
-hundreds of sounds on bunches of disks included
-great for industrial music (samples body noises
and car crashes with zeal)
MIDI modules: Roland MT-32 --great powerful little box
------------ - like 8 synths, drum machine, & digital effects in one
- used with many compuer games
Keyboard stand: Ultimate 3-tier "A"-frame stand
--------------- -three tiers for three keyboards or use it like I did
and use third tier for computer, mixer, etc
-includes hand-made (highest quality) blackblackblack
shelf to rest computer-type stuff on
-infinitely adjustable to any tilt, position, etc.
-goes up & takes down fairly easily
whew! you read it all,huh? Okay, this waste of bandwidth brought to you by:
Tod E. Kurt
EE at large hum fone: 818-578-9952
California Inst. of Tech. werkfone: -ha!-
Pasadena, California geekfone: tod@yvonne.caltech.edu
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Date: 12 Aug 91 21:51:36 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!well!fh@arizona.edu (Fabian Hahn)
Subject: HiSoft
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>Can someone send me an address for HiSoft in England (or a US address if
>they have one)? Does anyone know of a better place to obtain the latest
>version of Personal Pascal?
Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. is the distributer for HiSoft product here
in the US. The address is:
Goldleaf Publishing, Inc.
700 Larkspur Landing Circle #199
Larkspur, CA 94939
To get more info about their line of HiSoft products or to order
call Bob at (415) 257-3513. Bob also handles the reregistration for current
owners of HiSoft products that were bought form other sources.
Fabian Hahn
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 91 14:19:18 BST
From: Dave Wade <DAVEW%D.SSS.CO.UK@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Line_A Versus VDI
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
<I hope it is not too slow.
<I have read form this group that Line-A is not a good idea, but I did
<not find any simple pixel routines from VDI.
Kimmo,
Sorry I can't be presice, but there is a "write symbols" or "write mark"
routine which draws points if you make the mark a point. Thats waht I used
any way. Sorry but I don't have the code to hand here.
Dave Wade
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Date: 13 Aug 91 12:37:32 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!generic.physi
cs.utoronto.ca!ists!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!nexus.yorku.ca!rreiner@arizona.edu
(Richard Reiner)
Subject: MIDInet
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I found a thing called MIDInet on atari.archive which claims to allow
one ST to mount the disks of another, using a connection over the MIDI
ports. Does anybody use this? Does it work? Just *how* slow is it?
Thanks,
//richard
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Date: 12 Aug 91 21:35:53 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!opal!ki@uunet.uu.net (Karsten Isakovic)
Subject: Puting a pixel to screen
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello Kimmo,
you asked:
# I want to know what is now the "official" way to put a pixel to screen.
# I have read form this group that Line-A is not a good idea, but I did
# not find any simple pixel routines from VDI.
use the v_marker() function with marker type 1 (single point) and a
single coordinate pair. It is not slower than the linea call.
Hello Bill,
in your answer to Kimmo, you write:
# pscrn = Physbase (); /* get screen loc */
This won't work with _any_ big screen monitor, since Xbios() functions only
return the values for a standard st/tt monitor hardware. It won't even work
with standard software bigscreens, since Physbase() returns the address
of the physical screen and not the adress that is used for drawing. Logbase()
would be a little bit better, but there will be graphics cards around that
don't share screen memory with the ST/TT... The Logbase() function would be
a Dummy() in this case.
# pbyte = (char *) ( (long) pscrn + /* start here */
# (long) y * (long)scrn_w/8L +/* goto line */
# (long) x / 8L ); /* and byte */
This does not work with the overscan modification, which is installed in
over 5000 STs, nor with the reflex card or some VGA-cards. The scrn_w value
is _not_ always pixel / 8!
# this *should* be 100% portable, regardless of ST, STe, TT, etc.
Please don't use it! Even if you would use LINE A you are a lot 'portable'
than using this ;-) _Never_ draw directly into the screen memory, there
are cards that have diffentent bit-layout's or the screen memory is not
accessible from the ST/TT.
Greetings,
Karsten <ki@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de>
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Date: 13 Aug 91 12:18:40 GMT
From: convex!rosenkra@uunet.uu.net (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: Puting a pixel to screen
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
hmmm... so it sounds like the only way to write portable graphics for
the ST (in its myriad configurations) is with VDI, and even that might
not work. thanx for pointing out my ignorance of this subject. with only
a "stock" mega4/sm124 i guess i should not venture into these waters.
still, you'd think that these special graphics modifications would tap
into the xbios and try and mend things. is the reason why physbase
is not guaranteed to be correct because the address is out of "real"
memory? is the screen memory mapped into high addresses (like $fxxxxx)?
can't the driver translate this for the xbios? it sounds like any
program calling Physbase won't run on big screen monitors.
the method i posted, however DOES work on "normal" STs. and i think it
might work on at least some configuration of TT, tho i have no way of
verifying this.
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
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Date: 13 Aug 91 00:26:43 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!metro!macuni!suna!ahendo@uunet.uu.net (Ashley Henderson)
Subject: TT and Genlock
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <meulenbr.681633396@cstw18> meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans
Meulenbroeks) writes:
>What I would like to do, is to record TT images onto my VCR.
>I'm not very familiar with this subject, but I'm told I need something
>like "genlock" to achieve this.
>Now I've read somewhere that the TT should support this one way or
>another (by grounding a pin of the monitor plug and supplying a sync
>signal on another pin, sorry, forgot which pins exactly).
>However, as I see it my TT only delivers RGB signals whereas my VCR
>needs CVBS. Is there perhaps an easy way to convert RGB signals to
>CVBS? Can I use the CVBS sync as input for the TT?
>Or doesn't the VCR provide a sync when recording, but should I supply
>a sync signal to both VCR and TT??
If anyone knows how to do this with a 1040fm ST('87') could you PLEASE
tell me ! I once read about some guys in Scotland who made their own
Genlock and do adds for TV on it.
Great things could be done with an ST,overscan,genlock and VCR.
Thanks a million to anyone who can help.
--
_-_|\ ahendo@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au
/ \ Computing Services, My opinions are mine.
\_.-._/<--- Macquarie University, Worthless,crazy and even
v Sydney, AUSTRALIA. stupid, but MINE.
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Date: 12 Aug 91 07:05:22 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nic.funet.fi!lahtinen@uunet.uu.net (Kimmo
Lahtinen)
Subject: TT and Genlock
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I noticed you request for a Genlock (or similar) for Atari, here is one clue:
ELV
Postfach 1000
D-2950 Leer
Germany
fax: +49-491-72030
They are making kits for all kinds of stuff but they have also ready made
things. The products you might be interested are:
9197 Genlock for Atari ST DM 298,00 (kit)
9198 """"""""""""""""""" 398,00 (ready made)
9199 ST fix (you need this) 9,95 (kit)
9158 "" 19,95 (ready)
3707 VCP 7001 (RGB->video) 199,95 (kit) PAL
3710 "" 498,00 (ready) PAL
8108 Audio-Video-Prozessor 695,00 (kit) PAL+NTSC+Secam
8109 "" 1198,00 (ready) ""
And then you need little soldering skills (at least to put that
little fix to your computer) and some ability to read German.
That AVP 300 is a superior thing, you could convert between different
color systems and mix sound and correct color balance. You could
use it without a genlock to record only the computer signal to VCR.
With genlock you can combine video and computer graphics.
There is also an English company selling genlock for Atari
(I think they are PAL):
Third Coast Technologies
Unit 8,
Bradley Hall Trading Estate,
Standish, Wigan
Lancashire, WN6 0XQ
U.K.
tel: +44-257-472444
fax: +44-257-426577
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Kimmo Lahtinen E-Mail : lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi or
Finnish Meteorological Institute kimmo@field.fi
Phone : +358 0 758 1322
Possessed by a Spirit G3 Fax : +358 0 758 1396
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Date: 13 Aug 91 00:57:01 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sciences.sdsu.edu!ucselx!petunia!cindy!ekrimen
@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: TT demos and sound samples wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <meulenbr.681633746@cstw18> meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans
Meulenbroeks) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Since I now have my TT for a few weeks I was wondering if there aren't
>any neat demo's floating around for the TT. I looked in the
>binaries archive and on terminator, but there seemed to be no TT
>specific stuff, which exploits the TT graphical and computational
>capabilities. Does anyone have a nice demo for me (or a pointer to
>where I can find one). Note that I do not have ftp access.
>
There's a TT demo on GEnie, called something like STARWARS. It's pretty
huge, like 800K.
>Also I would be interested in a few sound files. I've found quite
>a number of players in the binaries group, but no sound files to go
>along with it. Of course I mean sound files for the STe/TT DMA sound
>subsystem, not .snd files for the TT.
There are a couple of utilities for the STE/TT which convert the
ST sounds to DMA version. (There's a name for them, isn't there? Signed
and unsigned, but I get them confused. :~)
I'll send a couple to atari.archive (with a LOT of other stuff :~) when I
get caught up and get a local account.
--
|||
||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu]
/ | \
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Date: 13 Aug 91 12:07:43 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: Version
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
What is the HT WAY to check what machine a program is running on
(In this case I want to check if it's a MEGA STE with a 16 MHz 68000
as the 8/16 switch adresses bombs on other machines....)
Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______
0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ /
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