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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 398
Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 18 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 398
Today's Topics:
anfrage
ANS: Double Click programs
ANS: Video Key
Apology
Atari in Concert
Elvis for MiNT
GFA Basic 3.5
GFA Basic 3.5 (3.6, really)
info wanted
Macintosh Plus Roms For Sale (REPOST: New Price)
Need real word processor.
PageStream VS Calamus
Price of a used 1040ST?
Reset-Proof Ramdisk
Spectre backups
STe and a Star Gemini II Printer
subscribe info-atari16
Supercharger IBM emulator for Atari ST
Supra modem for sale and SIMMS
The demise of ST World
Uniterm help - macro to receive ASCII file
Video Key
what I think about GEM
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 12:07
From: "Markus ERNI"
<UKCJ%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: anfrage
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
info
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Date: 18 JUL 91 09:20:36 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: ANS: Double Click programs
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Graham Thomas writes:
>
>I agree that DC Showit is a fine file viewer, and as a confirmed NeoDesk
>addict I miss it too.
>
Put me in as a voter for this also. I really miss being able to use
DC Showit with NeoDesk. I don't really need all the other goodies that
DC Shower has to offer, as neat as they are. I just want DC ShowIt to
work with NeoDesk.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 18 JUL 91 09:06:39 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: ANS: Video Key
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Rick Tatem asks:
"Has anyone any experience with a product called Video Key?"
I am using Video Key and am impressed with it. I discovered that
I rarely used my color monitor, except for playing games which is occasional.
Therefore, I sold my color monitor, using onl my NEC GS2A for monochrome
work.
VideoKey gives great color, with only a few dithering and color bleed
events--certainly not enough to hurt game playing. What will irritate you
is the poor resolution of your color tv. You may have to squint your eyes
a bit to read what used to be clear on your RGB.
VideoKey is increasingly difficult to find, though, since Practical
Solutions called it quits. I'd put out a call for a used one or check
the mail order places. I have seen the VideoKey going used for $35.00.
It retails out for about $85.00. Good luck!
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 18 Jul 91 12:09:02 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!dae
mon@arizona.edu
Subject: Apology
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I just flamed the info-A16 digest moderator for not posting my technical
queries. Next, I read the latest digest and ALL those queries were in one
digest. PLEASE, PLEASE accept my apology. Geez I'm bitchy before my
morning coffee!
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Date: 17 Jul 91 21:58:33 GMT
From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!frmug!elrond@uunet.uu.net (Bertrand Petit)
Subject: Atari in Concert
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul15.220055.12391@nntp.hut.fi>, s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari
Lehto) writes:
>
> I just happened to see the Jean-Michel Jarre's Paris-La Defense concert from
> TV. Atari France was one of the main sponsors for the concert and there were
> several Atari Mega 2/4 machines on the stage.
>
> The best PR Atari has done in long time... If someone noticed the machines.
>
Yes I have noticed the computers but only on the video version. While
sitting on the bridge in front of La Defense i have seen nothing on the
scene. I have also seen 5 pages in the magazine edited by Atari France on
the installation used by Jarre during the show.
Poor music but great multimedia show!
--
| Bertrand Petit | Signature is under construction |
| alias | |
| >Elrond le demi-Elfe< | Be sure to wear your helmet |
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Date: 18 Jul 91 09:53:47 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!rzsun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de!rospc1!hess@uunet.uu.net
(Hauke Hess)
Subject: Elvis for MiNT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
I just got Elvis, a wonderfull vi clone that even supports the abbr and
a tag command. Really nice, isn`t it. That`s what I thought, until I tested
it under mgr. It didn`t work. Then just pure MiNT with the simple shell.
It didn`t work too! It just doesn`t do anything. doesn`t build up a screen nor
accept any keystrokes (that`s what it did in mgr too).
Who could tell me that this isn`t true (or tell me, how to do it better)?
My second question is: why does elvis doesn`t do well on german keyboards?
The umlauts work fine, but []{}\@ get unreachable, until I remap them, so
the umlauts get a problem. And finally the []\ keys are unable to recognize
both alt and shift key, so that remapping []{} to the original alt-shift
sequences is also impossible.
Hauke Hess / University Hamburg / Germany
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Date: 17 Jul 91 02:03:31 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uupsi!pinet!rdf@arizona.edu (Robert
Feinman)
Subject: GFA Basic 3.5
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I just received an offer from GFA for an upgrade from 3.0 to 3.5 for
$49. Has anyone had any experience with this version?
Does anyone know what is included in the package? (New manual, compiler,
etc.)?
There is also an offer for an MS-DOS version. They claim that programs
are portable, but I don't know what that means exactly.
--
Robert Feinman rdf@pinet.aip.org
American Institute of Physics rdf@aip.bitnet
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Date: 18 Jul 91 18:06:58 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc
.MR.NET!ns!ns!logajan@arizona.edu (John Logajan)
Subject: GFA Basic 3.5 (3.6, really)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
rdf@pinet.aip.org (Robert Feinman) writes:
>I just received an offer from GFA for an upgrade from 3.0 to 3.5 for
>$49. Has anyone had any experience with this version?
>Does anyone know what is included in the package? (New manual, compiler,
>etc.)?
I just got my copy (it's 3.6). For the upgrade price you only get a
few manual pages with the Matrix commands documented. It does include
both the interpreter and the compiler.
>There is also an offer for an MS-DOS version. They claim that programs
>are portable, but I don't know what that means exactly.
The MS-DOS version (which I also received) is an expanded version of
the ST version. Since both versions allow rather low level messing
with their hosts, there is no real way to insure that programs are
universal across all machines. But if you stick to the higher level
type commands (including the higher level graphical interfaces) you
should be able to write code that is mostly transportable.
The MS-DOS version (versions actually) comes on four disks. There
is the one for chips up to the 286 and one for chips up to the
486. They also have versions which incorporate the co-processor
chips in both of the above versions -- four variations, one per
disk.
There are two manuals, one is a command reference and one is a
user's manual. The compiler will be shipped to all purchasers
when it is complete. In the meantime, they again provide the
run-only version for distribution to anyone.
Since they now bundle the compiler with the interpreter in the ST
version, they have dropped the ST run-only version.
They claim to be working on a Unix version. I will buy that when
it comes out, too.
--
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853
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Date: 18 Jul 91 11:59:30 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: info wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Two questions:
First, is there any way to connect a Star Gemini Printer (with a Commodore 64
interface) to an Atari ST?
Second, a local PC user blew away his son's hard disk (software wise) and
wants to do a low-level format, etc. He does not know which HD driver to
select from his installer option. He has a Western Digital HD with the
number WD 93044-A on it (serial # 028637). What drive(s) is this equivalent
to (# of heads, # cylinders, etc). Thanks.
Finally, I have had very limited success with posting question of a techincal
nature. The moderator for info_a16 seems to like posting endless messages about
'the man with the pipe' and 'terminator 2' appearences of the Portfolio. However
question, like anyone have checkers for the TT, to get my postings in the
digests?
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Date: 18 Jul 91 02:11:06 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-stat
e.edu!liter.cis.ohio-state.edu!schwarz@arizona.edu (Marc Schwarz)
Subject: Macintosh Plus Roms For Sale (REPOST: New Price)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
1 Pair of 128K Macintosh Plus Roms For Sale.
Rom Versions Are:
342-0341-C
342-0342-B
$105.00 postpaid.
Marc.
-=-
schwarz@cis.ohio-state.edu
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Date: 18 Jul 91 01:14:42 GMT
From: lll-winken!aunro!alberta!ubc-cs!fornax!bremner@uunet.uu.net (David
Bremner)
Subject: Need real word processor.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I had been following the Calamus vs. Pagestream flamefest with
interest, because I thought this might be what I was after. After
trying Pagestream out, I don't think so ( even ignoring the fact that
it, version 1.8, crashed twice within an hour ).
Here are the constraints
1) PostScript output
2) Some graphics/layout ability; i.e. need to import diagrams.
3) Usable as a word processor
Now Pagestream ( or a more stable version thereof ) would fulfill
items one and two easily, but I don't think I could stand to watch the
line I'm typing flicker for long periods of time.
Essentially what I'm looking for is a high end word processor, I don't
need to flow text around graphics or fancy stuff. It doesn't seem to
me that Wordperfect has the wherewithal.
A couple of options already considered and rejected:
1) LaTeX; I don't mind it, but S.O. hates it. Is there a colour dvi previewer?
2) Spectre; this seems expensive, especially with buying a monochrome monitor.
Any suggestions?
Mail is great, I will summarize
--
bremner@cs.sfu.ca ubc-cs!fornax!bremner
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 17:20:52 BST
From: "D." Summerbell
<d-summer@national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk>
Subject: PageStream VS Calamus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear David & Mark,
Stop knocking Greg Carter:
>Really Greg, you should not use this newsgroup to slam Atari, especially
>when you don't know what you are talking about.
>I just had to advise Greg here that he had better get a new minor. If he
>thinks he can get a job at any publisher, either newspaper or magazine or
>whatever, with his gawd-awful grammar (and spelling), he is sadly mistaken.
I think that Greg's doing really well:
> As for my Grammar, I am a computer scientist, not an english major.
>Just a journalism minor.
He obviously has the fundamentals of Journalism:
1. Forget the grammar, keep it short snappy and straight at the jugular
2. A fictional story is better than no story at all.
3. If the facts don't fit the story try innuendo and distortion and if all
else fails, outright lies.
4. When lost for a word use invective
By the way Greg, I'd forget the Computer Science, you seem to lack basic
competence; switch to Journalism, your a natural.
Dennis
___________________________________________________________________________
Dr.D.Summerbell INTERNET: d-summer@nimr.mrc.ac.uk
Limb Development Group or: d-summer%nimr.mrc.ac.uk@earn-relay
Nat. Inst. Medical Research DARPA:d-summerbell%nimr.mrc@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk
The Ridgeway, Mill Hill JANET: d-summer@uk.ac.mrc.nimr
LONDON NW7 1AA Tel: 081-959 3666 ext 2366
U.K.
The short Internet address does not always work from the US, indirection
via earn-relay is more reliable. The problem is that nimr is
unofficial, some nodes do not have it in their YP.
Real address is: @national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk
Is this a record?
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Date: 18 Jul 91 15:01:43 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.
edu!payman@arizona.edu (Payman Parastaran)
Subject: Price of a used 1040ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
What is the going price for a used 1040ST with the built in double sided
drive and a Monchrome Monitor? Please e-mail responses to the address
payman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu as I might miss reponses to this newsgroup.
Thanks, -- Payman
--
___________________________________________________
Payman Parastaran / payman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu........(217) 398-1452 /
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Date: 17 Jul 91 22:07:32 GMT
From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredMail@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk)
Subject: Reset-Proof Ramdisk
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
That more sounds like a problem with your memory then a buggy program..
* Origin: The R.I.P. (616)235-2313 [HST] (1:228/24)
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Date: 18 Jul 91 15:00:26 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!boblu@uunet.uu.net (Robert Luneski)
Subject: Spectre backups
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <86064@bu.edu> selick@bucsf.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>
>Has anybody found a program (mac or atari) that will back up a mac
>partition in Spectre 3.0? If so, please e-mail me a copy to
><selick@bucsf.bu.edu>
Diamond Back II will backup and restore Spectre 3.0 paritions.
____ ____
/\/\/\ Bob Luneski Diamond Back II Support: boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM /\/\/\
\/\/\/ Oregon Research Associates Genie: B.LUNESKI1 \/\/\/
\/\/ 16200 S.W. Pacific Hwy., Suite 162 Phone: (503) 620-4919 \/\/
\/ Tigard, OR 97224 FAX: (503) 639-6182 \/
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Date: 18 JUL 91 09:12:48 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: STe and a Star Gemini II Printer
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
>
>Once again, does anyone know if it is possible to connect a Star Gemini II
>printer (one with a Commodore 64 interface) to an Atari STe?
>
Several years back, I used to work at Federated and sold the Star
printers for Commodores. These used to have a "c" added to the name,
meaning that the printer interface was built-in. This kept the user
from buying user interfaces.
I would be quite sceptical if the Star Gemini 10c could be used with
an STe because of this built-in interface. It would take a lot of hacking,
I would think, but that is speculation on my part. A Gemini 10c is a standard
of its own neighborhood, incompatible with anything else.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:27
From: "Markus ERNI"
<UKCJ%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: subscribe info-atari16
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
subscribe info-atari16 ukcj@dkauni2.bitnet
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Date: 18 Jul 91 02:50:31 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
u!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko)
Subject: Supercharger IBM emulator for Atari ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For Sale: Supercharger IBM emulator for Atari ST (and TT), external
connection (no soldering!), uses Atari's monitor-disk drives-harddisk-etc,
NEC V30 chip (like 286 without protected mode) at 8mhz, math coprocessor slot,
can run concurrently with ST side, can launch IBM programs from ST's
desktop, use ST's mouse as a Microsoft-compatible mouse, runs most
programs I've tried (Turbo C++, Smalltalk/V, James Bond, Jeopardy,etc --
these programs not included), comes with DOS 4.01 (with DOSSHELL),
excellent for students - run your IBM programs for class on your Atari,
etc. Windows 3.0 is supposed to work on it.
Software version 1.4 (newest)...
Oh, has its own 1 meg RAM (so anyone from 512k to 4 meg can use it!)
Price: $300, comes in original box, cables, DOS 4.01.
If interested, please leave me e-mail (rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu)
Thanks...
Robert Anisko
rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu
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Date: 18 Jul 91 02:13:35 GMT
From: beguine!bbs.oit.unc.edu@mcnc.org (Ajay Choudhri)
Subject: Supra modem for sale and SIMMS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a Supra 2400 baud modem for sale with cable
for 75.00 + shipping
included original boxing, manuals etc.
and a shielded rs232 cable(worked on PC, ST and AMiga)
Also
16 megs of 70ns 1MegX8 SIMMS
25.00 a piece 4 megs minimum purchase.
reply to me
with fone number prefably.
or post on net if you cnnot reach me via e-mail
-AJC
Ajay.Choudhri@bbs.oit.unc.edu <<dunno if it werks>>
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 128.109.157.30
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Date: 18 Jul 91 13:05:36 GMT
From:
pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!decuk.uvo.dec.com!decuk.uvo.dec.com!les@decwrl.dec
.com (Les Carleton)
Subject: The demise of ST World
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul17.123058.24419@newcastle.ac.uk>, D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk
(Dave Johnson) writes:
|>Well its no confirmed ST World is no more, ST User is claiming that is is
going to change some more, the
|>section on games will form a tear out section, while the best of ST world will
be introduced to the pages of
|>ST User, the ST World product tests will take place form time to time.
It is a sad day for ST owners when a magazine such as STWorld cannot survive
in the market. STUser is not a magazine for serious users in my opinion
catering for the brain-dead games playing 8-16 year old bracket.
Thank Space for USEnet
|>
|>Also claimed by ST User is the the WHICH consumers organization rated the
|> ST(E) as a best buy in the sub 500
|>pound price range.
|>
Beacause it is cheap and plays good games I suppose. Nice buy for the kiddies?
|>Yours
|>
|>Dave J
|>
|>--
Les...
--
___________________________________________________________________
Les Carleton / Tel: +44 (256) 488351 \ \
Digital Equipment Corporation / Email: les@decuk.uvo.dec.com \ \
CSC/UK Ultrix Support Group / "The Video Widget" \ \
----------------------------+ "Open Standards ... Free Software" / /
"My opinions, My Mind, Don't take that away from me!" / /
_________________________________________________________________/_/
This .signature has been stolen by others ... please flame any you see!!!
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 17:58:31 +0200
From: Z07801%BBRBFU01.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Uniterm help - macro to receive ASCII file
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello uniterm fan,
I try to use uniterm (v2e) with macro command. The documentation
I have is dated of Febuary 3 1988.
I build a macro to get my mail semi automatically. The macro to
establisht the connection with the host runs perfectly. But, ..
I can't find a way switch on the reception of ASCII file directly
on disk in the same way as described for xmodem, ymodem or kermit.
I don't understand the use of the macro command 'unicommand(command)' in
connection with the so called 'Internal Function Numbers'(I suppose).
Patrick, INSTALLE
> V.U.B BITNET : Z07801@BBRBFU01.BITNET<
> Free University Brussels FAX : 32 2 650 99 99 <
> Plantengenetica Voice : 32 2 650 99 45 <
> 69, rue des Chevaux <
> B-1640 Rhode St Genese (BELGIUM, EC) <
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Date: 18 Jul 91 04:43:02 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken!aunro!alberta
!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!marco@arizona.edu (Marco)
Subject: Video Key
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
snoret@unx.sas.com (Rick Tatem) writes:
> Has anyone any experience with a product called a
> Video Key? Supposedly it's an RF converter that
> allows an ST to be used with a standard TV or VCR.
> My monitor recently "blew up real good", and I'm
> a little strapped for $$.
It sure does work. If your ST doesn't have an RF modulator built-in this
was made for you. However, as most people know TVs aren't as good
resolution as monitors and using med. rez on my TV at least is nearly
impossible. I guess it depends on your TV. Low rez is OK though.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
| John Perry*Voice (204)783-0812*Internet marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: 18 JUL 91 08:58:56 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: what I think about GEM
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Here's another comment about GEM. Its brevity of features has given
us something that other computers really are not keen on, or at least,
as successful as the ST's implimentation: alternate desktops.
What I think is so incredibly slick about the Atari ST is that the
user can choose whatever desktop that he wants. He can get it enhanced
via PD/FreeWare/ShareWare utilities, including Gemini, or he can really
blow it high with HotWire or NeoDesk. And the really neat thing is that
none of these shells cause the ST to bog down or run slowly, as other
systems do (Windows).
Count your blessings. We've got a very fast system here, even when
running at 8mhz. I have had more than one "outsider" to remark on the
speed of the ST. Is GEM lacking in things? Sure, it is. But look what
it has given us as a result.
I'd bet that DoubleClick and Codehead would not have nearly as as many
neat utilities that they have been so graciously giving us, if the GEM
desktop was locked (as the Mac desktop), or loaded with "features". I
love it.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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