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Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 7 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 321
Today's Topics:
arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
BART Help File
communications software
FSM-GDOS...When? How?
G++ from ftp.thp.koeln.de IS AT atari.archive (2 msgs)
gcr (2 msgs)
Latest ver. of Prospero-C??
LINE F
More than 4 Meg ?? (2 msgs)
NVDI
Reading 8-bit disks with an ST (2 msgs)
Requirements for g++
SED for ST?
Umich atari
Uniterm V2.0e 010, was: ST User Virus!
XTERM.COM, Communications software
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Date: 7 Jun 91 13:12:53 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!opal!gmdtub!prosun!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph Berg)
Subject: arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
How can I tell arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp to store on
extraction the files into another directory as where
the archiver programms resides???
When I use unarc.ttp with "x c:\tmp\any.arc" the
extracted files will be stored where the unarc program
is called ??
Who has any idea ???
Thanks.
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Ralph Berg, Reichenbergerstr.89,
D-1000 Berlin 36, West Germany during day 030/25499151
German National Research Center for Computer Science, FIRST
ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de
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Date: 7 Jun 91 15:43:31 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umi
ch.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: BART Help File
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
{There's been a literal ton of mail this week on how to use bart. I hope
this will clear up a few questions. Please read it very carefully, and
then ask questions. People who don't read it and ask first will be shot.
People attempting to subvert the quota system will also be shot. People
who watch Viva Las Vegas on the Disneyt Channel this evening will also
be shot. But, I digress.... -weiner}
The Terminator Atari Archive Help File
Welcome to BART, Brode's Archive Retrieval Thang, Terminator's Atari mail
server. To use the server, send a message to atari@atari.archive.umich.edu.
The subject line is ignored. The body of the message should contain, one per
line, any of the following commands. Each of the commands sends its output
back to you via mail.
"help"
This command tells BART to send you this file.
"index"
This command tells BART to send you the Index.
Currently, the index is a listing of all the files
int the Atari area. Descriptions of various files
can sometimes be found in the Index file of each
directory. These must be requested individually
with the send command. They are currently incomplete,
but it's all we have for now.
"path mail-address"
This command tells BART where to send the requested
files. This is useful for specifying a mail path.
"send directory/filename"
This is the command that sends out files from the
archive. The server only lets you get files from
the
subdirectories in the atari tree. You can determine
the path and filename from the Index file. For example,
if you wanted to get arc, you'd send a message with
a line in the body that looked like
send archivers/arc.ttp
to get the index file, use
send Index
Binary programs are uuencoded before they are sent
out. If you miss parts of a file, rather than re-request
the whole thing, you can give BART a comma separated
list of the parts you are missing and it will send you
those parts. For example...
send languages/gcc.arc aa,ac,af
This is the only way to get files larger than 400K.
You must request the file by parts until you have the
whole thing. A full part is approximately 30k of data.
Note: BART does not accept wildcards such as ? or *.
"sendb directory/filename"
This is similar to the send command except that it
always uuencodes the files that it sends out. Send
tries to determine whether it is sending a binary
or ascii file and only sends uuencoded messages when
necessary.
While the commands are not case sensitive, the filenames are, so be
careful you are using the correct case before complaining that the server
is broken.
You are limited to 400k and/or 5 files per day. It takes 24 hours from
the time that bart received your last message to clear your quota
records. BART does not queue requests that went over quota and send them
out later. You have to re-request them 24 hours later.
BART tends to ignore your mistakes. You will not receive a message back
if you gave an illegimate command or specified a bad file name. This was
a deliberate design decision. It may not be user friendly, but it keeps
the mail queues short and prevents a couple other nasty things.
Submissions are always welcome. Please mail them to
weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu
Jon Brode -- jon@atari.archive.umich.edu brode@math.lsa.umich.edu
Terminator Atari Archive Moderator
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Jeff Weiner --- weiner@{{sklyab,felix}.engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu
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Date: 7 Jun 91 09:52:26 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!rwthinf!cip-s01!wolfram@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: communications software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
6600hien@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Hien Le) writes:
>Hello everyone! I've never used a modem before.
Hello Hien,
Any modem will do, try to get one with at least 2400 baud. More will be
expensive, less is too slow, but 2400 is just correct.
Communication software is a very simple thing, just reading from RS232 and
displaying on screen and reading from keyboard and sending to RS232. So,
terminal programs use to give a lot of other features, like RS232 configuration,
automatic dialing (most modems can do this so the software simply has to send
a string to the modem to dial a number), capturing (writing everyting that
was sent and received into a file) and many, many more. My favourite terminal
prg is Rufus, a German produkt with a nice user interface and many features.
Another one is Uniterm which also gives a lot of features.
Try to get one of these, connect your modem and off you go. It's really easy,
all you need is the phone number of a nearby mailbox (BBS). Be sure to set
the communication parameters to 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit (usually written
8N1), this will do for almost all BBSs. Most BBSs support 2400 baud and are
able to determine what speed you are using so there is no need to care about
this, even if the BBS supports 9600 baud or something like this.
Have fun!
CU
\/\/olfram
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Date: 7 Jun 91 17:35:32 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark
Choi)
Subject: FSM-GDOS...When? How?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I can only add one bit of info. Goldleaf told me the other day that they
will offer FSM GDOS to their registered owners of WorldFlairII for their
cost from Atari, when it ever sees the light of day. Ie, get WordFlairII
if you want FSM GDOS when it comes out.
-mark-
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Date: 7 Jun 91 15:49:49 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins)
Subject: G++ from ftp.thp.koeln.de IS AT atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Correction (I have been reorganising the structure and contents of
The G++ code.
---------------------------------------------------------
total 860
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 7696 Jun 7 06:02 FList
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 1645 Jun 7 05:34 README.G++
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 425580 Jun 6 03:12 g++-139.lzh
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 1271 Jun 7 05:34 gnu++.g
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 116352 Jun 6 03:12 inc++.lzh
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 291236 Jun 7 05:35 lib++.lzh
---------------------------------------------------------
Koeln's gcc and support (nm, as, ar, ld, etc).
total 816
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 405281 Jun 7 09:20 unikoelnbin.lzh
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 405835 Jun 7 09:20 unikoelngcc.lzh
---------------------------------------------------------
Some shell utils (cp, rm, mv, etc)
total 216
-rw-r--r-- 1 gray 205006 Jun 7 09:20 unikoelnsh.lzh
When I have leaned how to incant the spell which splits binaries into neat
chunks, I will provide the above split into U**x mail-compatible chunks.
Graham
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Date: 7 Jun 91 15:51:33 GMT
From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins)
Subject: G++ from ftp.thp.koeln.de IS AT atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again ...
that's
~
2 fs
(sigh)
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Date: 7 Jun 91 17:44:39 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark
Choi)
Subject: gcr
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I do not know what is up with Dave, but I got the installer to work just fine.
System 7 wouldn't boot, of course:(
-mark-
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Date: 5 Jun 91 22:36:18 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!telmail!neabbs!marclaan@uunet.uu.net (MARC LAAN)
Subject: gcr
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>can GCR run Sys 7
We didn't succeed in running Sys 7.0 on ST (1040 witch 2.5 meg Ram).
Even in the most minimal configurations we got a 'not enough
memory'-alert. We notified GBS by fax, but didn't get reponse yet.
On our Mac Plus evrything runs fine. In both cases we used the golden
master CD-ROM-version of System 7 (i.e. the US version) on our
European systems.
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Date: 7 Jun 91 15:48:55 GMT
From: europa.asd.contel.com!wlbr!lonex.radc.af.mil!longj@uunet.uu.net (Jeffrey
K. Long)
Subject: Latest ver. of Prospero-C??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have Prospero-C version 1.14. Is there a newer version??
Also, can someone comment on their Developer's tookkit for C?
Is it worth the money? Do you get source code for the libs?
Jeff
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Date: 6 Jun 91 11:12:52 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!avgroeni@uunet.uu.net (Annius Groenink)
Subject: LINE F
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Are there possibilities to change parts of the AES (for
example to change the window manager- make windows faster,
give them a nicer (X-like) look..)? How (uniformly) is AES
programmed on STs/TTs? Are there (of course, undocumented)'
fixed functions for the internal line F calls, and are they
still used in the TT/ 68030-68882 ?
(I guess this is all a large dream, for I've never seen
any programs do this without replacing the ENTIRE AES, but
if someone has any hints, I'd be most grateful to hear them.)
--
________________________________________________________
Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.
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Date: 7 Jun 91 13:03:23 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun7.004215.1721@ncsu.edu> twmanino@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
> >>Nope. TOS 1.6 has a screwed up memory sizer that assumes that if two banks
of
> >>RAM exist then both banks are the same size. I don't know if this is a bug
> >>in the true sense or malicious crippling but it is sad.
> >>
> >>BTW, a bank is two SIMMs since memory access is on a word basis.
> >>
> >> 512K = 2 x 256K SIMMs
> >> 1Mb = 4 x 256K SIMMs
> >> 2Mb = 2 x 1Mb SIMMs
> >> 2.5Mb = 2 x 1Mb SIMMs + 2 x 256K SIMMs (Not with TOS 1.6)
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >I heard this works on TOS 1.6 if you put the 256k SIMMs as the first bank
> >and the 1M SIMMs as the second bank. But I could be wrong. If you're
> >having trouble, though, it's trivial to try it the other way.
> >> 4Mb = 4 x 1Mb SIMMs
>
> There's a file at atari.archive that fixes the 2.5 meg problem... It's called
> SIMMFIX.
>
> You put it in your auto folder. It reprograms the MMU, then does a warmstart.
>
> I get 2 bombs on the first boot attempt, but when the machine resets, it does
> just fine. Any subsequent warmstarts just boot right up.
>
> Be sure to read the instructions....
>
>
> Hope this helps,
> Tony
> twmanino@eos.ncsu.edu
Get Version 2 of simm fix, it states that the problem is with the OS
and not the MMU, I have played with a STE with 2.5 megs and found no
problems ?? and the MMU had the correct bits set in it..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
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Date: 7 Jun 91 15:31:00 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!john@uunet.uu.net (John Hannah)
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun5.222630.24777@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
(Van Snyder) writes:
>> 2.5Mb = 2 x 1Mb SIMMs + 2 x 256K SIMMs (Not with TOS 1.6)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I heard this works on TOS 1.6 if you put the 256k SIMMs as the first bank
>and the 1M SIMMs as the second bank. But I could be wrong. If you're
>having trouble, though, it's trivial to try it the other way.
>> 4Mb = 4 x 1Mb SIMMs
I'm afraid it doesn't work the other way!! I have one of the dreaded STEs
with soldered SIPS rather than SIMMS and when I added memory I tried to
put 1Mb chips in the second bank with the 256K (soldered in) SIPS in the
first. The machine only thought it had 1Mb!! I had to unsolder the first
bank and put the 1Mb chips there (I added in-line sockets of course!). My
system has 2.5Mb but TOS thinks it has 4Mb. It seems to cause few problems
unless I try to use more than 2.5Mb!! I havn't tried the famed SIMMFIX yet.
John Hannah
Electrical Engineering, University of Edinburgh, UK
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Date: 7 Jun 91 16:55:49 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!dae
mon@arizona.edu
Subject: NVDI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Would someone please post info about where I can obtain NVDI, a German pgm to
accelerate screen draws on a TT with a TTM195 monitor? Thanks.
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Date: 7 Jun 91 15:06:10 GMT
From: infonode!ingr!b11!jmack@uunet.uu.net (Cery McCormick)
Subject: Reading 8-bit disks with an ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <6DB632w164w@cellar.UUCP>, revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
writes:
> Can anyone either outline or recommend a way for me to work up a
> quick transfer system? Is it possible to hitch an old 810 disk drive to an
> ST, and read ASCII files from it>
>
> Advice-- and especially a solution-- would be greatly appreciated.
>
You can use Derek Mihocka's (sp?) X-Former software. It requires
a special cable to go between the ST's printer port and the 8-bit drive, but
you can then read the 8-bit files into your ST.
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Date: 7 Jun 91 16:01:45 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid)
Subject: Reading 8-bit disks with an ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun7.121908.7292@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
>In article <6DB632w164w@cellar.UUCP>, revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
writes:
>>
>> I've got several megs' worth of old and very important text files on
>>floppy disks, leftovers from when I used an 8-bit Atari. Now that I have an
>>ST, I'd really like to be able to bring the text into my new machine and
>>transfer it to 720K floppies.
>>
>> Can anyone either outline or recommend a way for me to work up a
>>quick transfer system? Is it possible to hitch an old 810 disk drive to an
>>ST, and read ASCII files from it>
>>
>> Advice-- and especially a solution-- would be greatly appreciated.
>
>I cannot give you a solution, but I can tell you where one is. You need
>to get STXformer (the 8-bit emulator), and make a cable. At that point,
>you can hook an 810 to your ST and read disks. I don't know the details.
>
>Of course, if you have an 850 you could always direct-connect the two
>together and modem them over . . . .
>
Hello,
It should also be mentioned that there is a fully 8-bit emulator for
the ST. You will find it and more information on the STXformer on Atari.archive
I have yet to find an Xformer cable though so if you have any luck, please get
back to me.
Stephan
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Date: 7 Jun 91 16:18:02 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax
1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!zvd007@arizona.edu (U.Kuehn)
Subject: Requirements for g++
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <104150.26002@timbuk.cray.com>, marc@sequoia.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
says:
>Simple question time: do I need gcc if I want to use g++? Having forked out e
>th
>dosh on Lattice C v5 (pretty goo, BTW) I'd rather not have to get another C
>compiler :-)
I have both, g++ and gcc, but I think you dont need the c compiler.
You need as minimum:
g++.ttp the compiler driver
gcc-cc1p.ttp the c++ compiler
gcc-cpp.ttp the preprocessor
gcc-as.ttp the assembler, used to assemble the output of the compiler
gcc-ld.ttp the linker
and the libraries ( C and!! C++ ) and the header-files
I hope this helps.
U.Kuehn
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Date: 7 Jun 91 19:30:39 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!shamash!ti
mbuk!marc@arizona.edu (Marc Bouron)
Subject: SED for ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <A0b6mlze@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>, jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John
Henders) writes:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a sed clone for the ST? If so, where
> can I find a copy?
>
> --
> John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
> MIND over MIDI Productions or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
> Vancouver,B.C
>
Take a look in utilities/sed.arc at atari.archive.
[M][a][r][c]
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Date: 7 Jun 91 18:16:18 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc
.edu!caen!math.lsa.umich.edu!math.lsa.umich.edu!brode@arizona.edu (Jon Brode)
Subject: Umich atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun07.123436.18023@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
>Is this not the server for people that don't have FTP access, also
>refered to as BART..
We do both ftp and BART. (Brode's Archive Retrieval Thang)
>how do we now access it when we don't have FTP access ?.
Good question. Send a message to atari@atari.archive.umich.edu. The body
of the message should read "help". BART will send you back a help file
that explains everything. Send me a message if you have any questions.
I may be a bit spotty on Atari software these days, but I believe that
I am eminently qualified to answer BART questions.
Jon Brode -- jon@atari.archive.umich.edu brode@math.lsa.umich.edu
Supreme Allied Commander of the Umich Atari Posse
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Date: 5 Jun 91 20:49 +0100
From: Robert Weissenfels <weissenfels@bauelemente.e-technik.uni-dortmund.dbp.de>
Subject: Uniterm V2.0e 010, was: ST User Virus!
To: <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Just to compete in the great Who's-got-the-newest, the subject says it all...
By the way: This version of this great program is copyrighted 1986/1987/1988.
Aren't there any newer releases? Is Simon Poole still alive?
Who killed Simon P.???
Seriously: can anybody tell me where I can get a newer version/release
and perhaps, a newer manual. My manual is only about 2.0c.
Bye Robert
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Date: 7 Jun 91 09:50:02 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!rwthinf!cip-s01!wolfram@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: XTERM.COM, Communications software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
6600hien@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Hien Le) writes:
>Hi! Does anyone know where I can get XTERM.COM
You mean that great little X-Modem terminal prg for the portfolio? I GOT IT!!!
It's on the portfolio in my pocket right beside me... If you are interested
I'll send it to you in uuencoded form, it' just about 4 KB.
Or is there any interest in a public posting?
CU
\/\/olfram
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