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Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 8 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 380
Today's Topics:
Amiga is better then what???
Atari Developer support disconnected?
Breaking links in a hard disk (ACSI) chain
Diamond Back II (w/Cache)
Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
How to "unpack" and "decode"?
MEGA STE problems (Summarise)
MEGA STE problems - more victims
Multitasking for ST (to sell)
NEED SM125 line transformer! URGENT!
PageStream VS Calmus
Portfolio in T2
Portfolio in Terminator 2?
Quick ST v. 3 - When?
Really dumb question about the 68000
Team Yankee
Two Questions
Unix Windows....
UW
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Date: 8 Jul 91 07:36:58 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Million Headed
Monster)
Subject: Amiga is better then what???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
(ST owners and thinking Amiga owners skip the rest of this message.)
In <5313@orbit.cts.com>, Erik Funkenbusch writes:
> mathew@mwowm.mantis.co.uk (Million Headed Monster) writes:
> >> since when does the STe have a graphics co-processor capable of
> >> running concurently with the CPU?
> >
> >Since it was launched?
>
> Does the Atari blitter have 3 DMA inputs which can be combined in any of 256
> minterms and output on a 4th DMA channel? is the Atari Blitter programmed by
> a custom graphics co-processor that runs it's own programs seperate from the
> cpu?
Who cares?
All *I* am concerned with is how fast the graphics are. Anything apart from
moving rectangles around is faster on the ST than the Amiga. Yeah, the
Amiga is wonderful for arcade games. But I prefer 3D stuff.
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >> since when does the STe have Multi-tasking?
> >
> >Since I decided to run a multi-tasking OS on it?
>
> Well, so how great is this OS? is not only multi-tasking, but re-entrant too?
> does it allow for multi-threadable applications and shared data structures?
> Does it have ANY form of interprocess communication, much less a standard
> form?
Yes.
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >All ST software which uses the OS graphics routines will be speeded up by
> >the blitter. Many programs which *don't* use the OS have blitter support
> >as well, since ST blitters have been around since 1987.
>
> That uses the graphics routines. and how many don't?
Arcade games.
> how many do?
Serious applications. (You do know what those are, don't you?)
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >I don't know about the US, but in the UK the STe is cheaper than the A500.
>
> Is that why the Amiga is selling more units there than Atari?
Only according to Commodore's figures.
> are you comparing mail order ST
> prices to dealer Amiga prices?
Nope. I've not looked hard enough to find a dealer selling Amigas.
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >> I have a book that attempts
to
> >> do the same thing on an Amiga and an ST, and they had to supply a whole
bunch
> >> of routines that had to be written from scratch to match what they used in
the
> >> Amiga's OS.
> >
> >What "same thing" were they trying to do? Implement an Amiga OS, perchance?
>
> No, actually it was a book from Compute Books called "3d Graphics programming
> in C" or some such, don't have it handy since it's in storage.
Oh, Compute books. That would explain it. I bet they didn't use Line-A or
the GEM graphics functions.
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >> hmm are there any companies
developing
> >> 16 bit audio boards?
>
> Not from the mail i've been getting.
Well, perhaps if you and the rest of the Amiga fundies would stop sending
each other congratulatory email messages and read a few magazines, you'd
know about AVR / 2 Bit Systems' 16-bit sampling units for the ST.
Although if you want to make music, the Evolution EVS-1 would be much better
with its FM synthesis and PCM rhythm sounds. Programmed from a Desk
Accessory, by the way, so you don't need to quit from your sequencer.
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >Can you read industry-standard 1.44MB floppy disks on those? Either Mac or
> >PC format?
>
> Yes, with the commodore drive.
Well, at long last Commodore has made one good design decision when building
a floppy disk system. About time.
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >> > Comparing an ST to an Amiga at purely CPU intensive things the Amiga can
not
> >> > be compared very favorably.
> >>
> >> Oh really? and i suppose that there are numerous 020,030,and 040 boards
> >> available for the STe?
> >
> >I don't know about "numerous". At least one.
>
> At least one what? 020, 030, 040? i can buy an 040 board today that will
> toast a NeXT.
Running UNIX and NextStep?
NOW FUCK OFF.
> >Now go away and play in your little .advocacy newsgroup.
>
> If you didn't keep spouting bunk i would.
In case you haven't got the hint yet:
GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS NEWSGROUP. YOU ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY WELCOME.
GO AWAY BEFORE YOU FIND YOURSELF INVOLVED IN A FLAMEWAR.
Have a nice day.
mathew
--
<< baby mother hospital scissors creature judgement butcher engineer >>
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Date: 8 Jul 91 16:28:58 GMT
From: mcrware!erik@uunet.uu.net (Erik Johnson)
Subject: Atari Developer support disconnected?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul6.223405.7723@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes:
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>Do any of you guys know why Gail Johnson's (Atari developer support)
>phone was disconnected? Is this bad news, or is this connected with
>the rumor that some Atari offices are being moved to the east coast?
>
>Jim
>
Are you sure her line is permanently disconnected? I just spoke to her on
July 3rd. I imagine you called Atari on their Forth o' July 4-day weekend
(just a guess).
Erik R Johnson
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Date: 8 Jul 91 16:15:00 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fub!tmpmbx!opal!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbr
od@uunet.uu.net (Claus Brod)
Subject: Breaking links in a hard disk (ACSI) chain
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
scoile@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (elioC evetS) writes:
>I've got two hard drives. The second I don't use very often, so don't normally
>power it up when I boot the machine, but sometimes I end up needing it, and it
>is SUCH a pain to have to REBOOT the entire system just to get one lousy HD
>on-line. Anyone know if there's a way around that?
Start your hard disk driver by double-clicking on it.
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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 8 Jul 91 15:08:29 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!boblu@uunet.uu.net (Robert Luneski)
Subject: Diamond Back II (w/Cache)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul2.113356.18382@netcom.COM> yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher
Russell) writes:
>Was the final version of Diamond Back II w/cache ever released?
>
>If so where did you get it?
>
>I believe I was waiting on version 2.2 or something.
>
>Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy) Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
>yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
Yes, Diamond Back II V2.25 is being distributed by Oregon Research Associates
You can order it directly from us or obtain it from your local Atari dealer.
____ ____
/\/\/\ Bob Luneski Diamond Back II Support: boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM /\/\/\
\/\/\/ Oregon Research Associates Genie: B.LUNESKI1 \/\/\/
\/\/ 16200 S.W. Pacific Hwy., Suite 162 Phone: (503) 620-4919 \/\/
\/ Tigard, OR 97224 FAX: (503) 639-6182 \/
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Date: 8 Jul 91 12:54:45 GMT
From: europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@uunet.uu.net
(Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
You may wish to try STeVIe 3.9 from atari.archive. It is another vi
clone, and seems to work for me.
--
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Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 8 Jul 91 21:27:36 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!fuug!sics.se!sics.se!ag@uunet.uu.net (Anders
G|ransson)
Subject: How to "unpack" and "decode"?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi!
I recently bought an atari 1040 st. There were very little programs
to go with it so now I've got the bright idea to get some nice
programs from comp.binaries.atari or from some archive.
However I don't know how to do that...
I tried some code from comp.atari.binaries tonight with meager
result. I am in a unix environment, I use emacs, I put the
message from comp.atari.binaries in a buffer, kill all lines up
to "tables" and save this in a file. Then I do 'uudecode foo'.
This results in a message that each and every line has got the
checksum wrong. Should some unpacking be done before uudecode?
What I try to do is to change an "article" in
comp.atari.binaries to a program that I can use on my atari!
I imagined that I could change the article to executable (by the atari)
binari-code using unix commands. Then I would dowmload the
file with binari-code to my atari and try the program...
This is stupid?
Could someone direct me to some tutorial on how
to do things like this? I need some step by step manual
(obviously...).
best regards Anders
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Date: 8 Jul 91 22:40:40 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: MEGA STE problems (Summarise)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I can confirm the problem of the bad sound/display chip in my MEGA STE.
I orginally just thought it was the way it was suppose to be.
Now that you describe in detail what I experience, lines on screen at 8Mhz,
scratchy sound etc..
All I have to say, is...I AM NOT SURPRISED.
Look, when you buy from Atari, you GET what you pay for. Like it or lump it.
--Gregory
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The ONLY good use for an ATARI Machine is GAMES and MAC Software Emulation
PERIOD.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 91 17:26 N
From: <DAGLEISH%FRILL.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: MEGA STE problems - more victims
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Distribution-File:
INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
Regarding the problems detailed by Lars-Erik Osterud and others,
I thought you might like to know that here in France we are also having trouble
with the MEGA STE. Myself and two friends each bought one from our local dealer
on the same day (the day he received his first batch of 8 machines). All three
show the same problems that Lars-Erik observed - so it is not surprising that
John Janssen saw the same thing on every machine in the shop he bought his at.
It is obviously a faulty integrated circuit (the GSTSHIFTER). Since I do not
want to invalidate my guarantee I don't intend to open up my machine to look at
the number, but from what Lars-Erik said it looks like the reference number
marked on the chip has been changed since the STE range was first introduced,
but the chip's functionality has not ( since the old and new versions are
interchangable). It is probable that the mask has been changed (different
manufacturer?) and so a bug has crept in.
I think we should try to get all the MEGA STE owners to check
their machines and if it has problems to complain to Atari. Perhaps it would be
interesting first of all to get victims to stand up and be counted on the net.
By the way I see my video shifting when I boot OS-9/ST V2.4
which I received last week from Microware France (the port was in fact done
Germany by Dr Teil DatenTechnik).
Happy campaigning,
Paul.
----------------- Paul A. Dagleish, I.L.L. --------------------------
snail: Institut Laue-Langevin, 156x, F-38042 GRENOBLE, France
email: DAGLEISH@FRILL.BITNET
phone: (33).76.20.70.65 -- telex: 320 621F -- fax: (33).76.48.39.06
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Date: 8 Jul 91 22:47:15 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Multitasking for ST (to sell)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I SERIOUSLY HOPE you people aren't SERIOUS about this Multi GEM BS.
TRUST me you don't want to endorse Atari's delusional marketing any
further.
GEM isn't even a viable App platform environment anymore, for christ sakes,
come to your senses and yell for a real operating system like UNIX and
MOTIF/X Windows.
GEM is a DOG with RABIES that should have been SHOT a long TIME AGO.
--Greg
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Date: 3 Jul 91 08:21:29 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpcc05!hpbbn!hpbbm!juel@hplabs.hp.com (#Juergen Letsch)
Subject: NEED SM125 line transformer! URGENT!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A while ago i purchased an SM125 b/w monitor for only 150DM (about 85$, it was
determined for use in UK), but w/o any warranty. As i connected it to my good
old 1040, i realized that the missing warranty for this thing had a reason:
Nothing appeared on the screeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEN :-( :-( :-(
After examining the monitor, i found the line transformer (i hope this is the
right word; i mean the high voltage transf. for the CRT) defect. I contacted
a few adresses i knew here in Germany and tried to get this essential part
but had no success. :-( again
Now my question/request/entreaty/prayer/supplication to you:
- Does anybody know where i can get this transformer? It's really urgent!!!
- What does this thing cost???
- Can anybody provide adresses of MAIL orders which sell this thing???
- Could anybody possibly be so kind and purchase this thing and send it to me
to Germany????
PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx
Juergen
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Date: 8 Jul 91 21:29:16 GMT
From: TRANSARC.COM!Bill_von_Hagen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: PageStream VS Calmus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I don't want to start a war, so I'd appreciate hearing directly from
users of either of these programs with their opinions on how
reasonable these programs are. I have to document some ST software
I've written, and I'd like to use one of these to do it. I've used
programs like FrameMaker, PageMaker, Ventura Pujblisher, etc. How do
these compare???
I need to do things like the following:
1) Import text and auto-insert pages as necessary
2) Auto-number figures, tables, etc.
3) Create Table of Contents, Index, etc.
4) Import, clip, and change palette of graphics in formats like
degas.
I'd appreciate any info anyone could provide. Thanks!
Bill (wvh@transarc.com)
******************************************************
Senior Technical Writer, Transarc Corporation
Home Phone: 412-687-4839
Work Phone: x4482
******************************************************
"Unfortunately, troff continues to be the only
publishing system distributed with bare UNIX, hence
it is still used by the unsuspecting."
Libes/Ressler "Life With UNIX"
******************************************************
So the Dali Lama goes up to a hot dog vendor
and says "Make me one with everything"...
******************************************************
char std_dislaimer = "This has nothing to do with Transarc";
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Date: 8 Jul 91 17:36:37 GMT
From: ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown)
Subject: Portfolio in T2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari Corp. is even thanked in the Credits!!!!
Wow.
/**************************************************************/
/* Chris K. Brown G Massacusetts Institute of Technology */
/* AA AA AA I -------->ckb@athena.mit.edu<-------- */
/* AA AA AA A Bull HN Worldwide Information Systems */
/* AA AA AA N ---->brown@granite.ma30.bull.com<---- */
/* AA AA AA T __There__Can__Be__Only__One!_- Connor */
/* AA AA AA S Life is like a game of Chess......... */
/* Zeta Psi(PA) ! Oh, Wait.... No it isnt. Forget it. */
/* Disclaimer: I represent only myself, not those with me. */
/**************************************************************/
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Date: 8 Jul 91 20:51:46 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh
.edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Portfolio in Terminator 2?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
jbunch@isis.UUCP (John Bunch) presents in article
<1991Jul7.125336.26862@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>
>I saw credits for Atari Games, but not for Atari Computers... But it
>sure did look an awful lot like a portfolio... Coolness...
>
>John.
>
I wish I had a copy of the program the kid ran on the Portfolio to break
the codes in the ATM's. Of course, it was staged, but the opportunities
are endless.... :-)
>
>--
>John B Bunch * I don't want the world, I just want your
>771 Madison Ave Apt.2e. * half.... -TMG
>Albany, NY 12208 *
>jbunch@isis.cs.du.edu *
--
* Paul Sears * Technology *** |"The greater an individual's power
* The University of Houston *** | over others, the greater the evil that
* RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu * * * | might possibly originate with him."
* RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD)
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Date: 8 Jul 91 17:17:48 GMT
From: athena.arc.nasa.gov!glennd@icarus.riacs.edu (Glenn Deardorff - GDP)
Subject: Quick ST v. 3 - When?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know if (or when) Quick ST v.3 is supposed to be out? I
thought it was supposed to be in June or July. I sent in my $15 upgrade
fee, but haven't heard anything from them.
Thanks. - Glenn
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Date: 3 Jul 91 22:28:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K'
Siano)
Subject: Really dumb question about the 68000
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If I were to replace the 68000 chip in my ST with a 68030, would that
speed the machine up? Or would there be any arcane system calls to watch out
for?
======================================================================
Brian Siano, aka [ "Mr. A. Hitler, the old Nazi thing, says
[ Mickey's silly. Imagine that! Well, Mickey is
Rev. Philosopher-King [ going to save Mr. A. Hitler from drowning or
[ something some day. Just wait and see if he
revpk@cellar.UUCP [ doesn't. Then won't Mr. A. Hitler be ashamed!"
[ -- Walt Disney, 1933.
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Date: 8 Jul 91 13:32:29 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!umich!wsu-cs!jake!naj@arizona.edu
(Nathaniel A. Johnson)
Subject: Team Yankee
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I heard about Team Yankee in Current Notes about two months ago but
I haven't seen any mail order sites with the game? Anybody got it?
Where'd you get it?
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Date: 8 Jul 91 16:56:52 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ab016@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Scotty Meredith)
Subject: Two Questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
1. Could someone send me the MidiMaze II doc in english?
2. Will a MegaFile 30 run on a first production run STe?
( The One With The DMA Problems. )
Thanks!
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Date: 8 Jul 91 13:00:27 GMT
From: europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@uunet.uu.net
(Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Unix Windows....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul1.160730.4841@netcom.COM>, yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher
Russell) writes:
>I read a message not too long ago that meantioned a UNIX windowing
>interface called Unix Windows that would run on the ST. I was
>very interested so I ftp'd it over from atari.archive.
>
>My problem: it don't work :-)
>
>
The way UW works is the following (given that everything ftp'ed ok):
1. Run win.prg. You should be presented with one window.
2. Dial in from this window, using the ATDT command.
3. Log into your Unix system, and fire up the server binary.
4. At this point, you can create new windows with the drop down menu
entries.
One problem may be that the config file (a text file in there somewhere)
defines what size/font the first window is. If these settings have been
tampered with, the program may blow up. Send me email if you still have
problems, and I will sit down and refresh my memory on the details.
--
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Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 8 Jul 91 13:09:52 GMT
From: europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@uunet.uu.net
(Mickey Boyd)
Subject: UW
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul3.001811.11138@oz.plymouth.edu>, pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu
(Technoid) writes:
>Help,
>
> Maybe I have this whole thing wrong. UW sounds great, but I thought it
>was for the ST. Does is require GCR to emulate a MAC to use this program?
>I finally know where it is, but I guess I can't use it.
>
>
UW for the ST was ported from the Mac, so many of the doc files refer to the
Mac. Win.prg (or uw.prg if you are using the euro version) will run on your
ST.
--
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Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu |
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