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Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 3 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 310
Today's Topics:
assorted TT questions
Atari HD hostadapters/drivers.
Booting in 50Hz mode
Do not use Gemview!!!!!
Fan on the MEGAFILE 30
Gemini Standard Usages (2 msgs)
Gemnin Docs
Hard disk booting
Mac fonts (was Re: ST code or C source for uncompressing .hqx & .sit files:
Wanted!)
Problems with GDOS and HD driver (again)
Re: PD fonts for Calamus reqd
ST User Virus! (2 msgs)
TT (2 msgs)
TT compatibility
Unix for the TT?
Which laser printer to buy
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:17:14 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
(Claus Brod)
Subject: assorted TT questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans Meulenbroeks) writes:
>As I'm told the TT does not have a 68882 on board, but does have
>a socket for such a beast. Right?
The TT comes with a 68882 running at 32 MHz.
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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:13:13 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
(Claus Brod)
Subject: Atari HD hostadapters/drivers.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
mbaker@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Matthew Baker) writes:
>How about Claus' driver (CBHD) - cost, language, etc...
I won't comment on my own driver, just on its availability. Currently,
it's only available as part of my book, and the book is written in German.
There are three options if you want to use my driver:
- you can read German --> get the book
- you can't read German, but we somehow finally find a good translator
and distributor for the US and UK --> maybe there will be an English version
- there will be a stand-alone version of the driver later this year (hopefully)
As I said before, I won't comment on whether it is worth waiting for my driver.
Enough advertising for today.\
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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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>Many thanks all.
>Matthew.
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:24:12 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hellgate.u
tah.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ucsd!mvb.saic.com!steveg@arizona.edu (Stephen Harold
Goldstein)
Subject: Booting in 50Hz mode
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I'm trying to view a couple of demos from the archives at umich, and
am having some problems - they seem to load fine, but
the screen starts 'rolling' immediately - I assume I need to put my system
in 50Hz mode, but the following 'fixes' also from the archives ALSO make the
screen roll (before the demos load): hertz.arc, swaphz.arc, 50hzboot.prg
I've got a Mega 4 running U.S. TOS 1.4. Any suggestions?
--
---
Stephen Goldstein steveg@cseic.saic.com
My first Atari system? A 24K Atari 800, Rev. A ROMS, C(not G)TIA graphics
Disclaimer: That's not what I said.
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Date: 3 Jun 91 11:13:32 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!forwiss.uni-passau.de!eva.fmi.uni-passau.de!iws9060@ariz
ona.edu (Thorsten Guenther)
Subject: Do not use Gemview!!!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Caution!!!!!!!
Do not use Gemview!!!!!!
As readable in the docs, using Gemview is able to affect your physical
state!!!!!!!
Read: ..... you become a File Selector Box......!!!!!!
Read: ..... you become a Dialog Box .......!!!!!!!!
Caution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Halt, Ausweis!!!!!!! Thorsten Guenther
--Castle Wolfenstein ircnick:Weregoose
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Date: 3 Jun 91 07:47:46 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!jeroen@uunet.uu.net (Jeroen Fokker)
Subject: Fan on the MEGAFILE 30
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Olaf Gerloff writes:
> whitten@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>|> I've had a megafile 30 for about a year, and the only complaint
>|> I've had is the loud fan. Is it really needed, or will the
>|> drive run cool enough without it?
>
> I have a little kit, that turns the fan only on, if it is to hot in the
> drive. You need nothing to solder for that one.
>
I have that kit, too. Or rather: I _had_ it. I disconnected it,
because since it was installed, I had some troubles with the disk.
When the disk was used for more than four hours the day before,
it wouldn't start up again. I nedd to shake the entire disk quite
roughly to get it rotating again. I know some day this will have
disastrous effects...
I blame the fan thermostate for this problem. Unfortunately, although
I disconnected it, I have still this startup problem.
I wouldnt recommend a fan thermostate.
--
Jeroen Fokker | jeroen@cs.ruu.nl
dept.of Computer Science, Utrecht University | tel.+31-30-534129
PObox 80089, 3508TB Utrecht, the Netherlands | fax.+31-30-513791
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Date: Sat, 01 Jun 91 16:11
From: "Thomas Koenig"
<UI0T%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Gemini Standard Usages
To: Info-Atari16 Discussion <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Jim Omura
(news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net)
wrote:
> I've been working with Gemini off and on for a while now and
> I hope somebody can pass these comments to the programming team.
> It's all regarding the "mupfel.mup" file:
>
> HOME is defined as the current "gemini" directory. This is
> a bad practice. You should tell people to define "HOME" to
> their current "working directory", whereever that is.
> On a Unix system, my normal HOME directory would generally
> be something like "/usr/mygroup/jimomura". This is the directory
> in which I do my usual work. The thing to emphasize is that
> it has *nothing* to do with the operating system or executables.
> In fact, it's mainly just text data files of my own concern.
> If you don't learn this concept early on your going to scr*w up
> your system organization by writing programs that look to the
> wrong places for the wrong things.
>
I concur.
> Also, I have no idea what they are intending to use the "CDPATH"
> for. I've never seen it on a Unix system or an OS-9 system and
> I don't know what program would look for it. Is that supposed to
> be a path for CD Rom applications?
Nope, that's where the cd command looks for directories to change
to. The Bourne, Korn and C shells for UNIX support it, too. IMHO,
that is one of the nicest features of GEMINI.
> --
> Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
> lsuc!jimomura
> Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
>
Thomas Koenig
EARN/BITNET : UI0T@DKAUNI2.BITNET
INTERNET : UI0T@IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE
X.400 : S=UI0T;OU=IBM3090;OU=RZ;P=UNI-KARLSRUHE;A=DBP;C=DE
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Date: 3 Jun 91 07:19:22 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!ahds!geert@uunet.uu.net (Geert W.T. Jonkheer CCS/TS)
Subject: Gemini Standard Usages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May31.184317.26514@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
writes:
>
> I've been working with Gemini off and on for a while now and
> I hope somebody can pass these comments to the programming team.
> It's all regarding the "mupfel.mup" file:
>
> Stuff deleted...
>
> Also, I have no idea what they are intending to use the "CDPATH"
> for. I've never seen it on a Unix system or an OS-9 system and
> I don't know what program would look for it. Is that supposed to
> be a path for CD Rom applications?
> --
CDPATH is not for CD Rom applications, it is very handy if you are
using several disk partitions. You can tell gemini where to look
for a directory name when you do a 'cd Directory'. It's also very
handy when you are using a lot of directories.
For example, if you are using the partitions C..F and you have
a directory called 'UTILITY' and is located on drive E:,
CD looks for the directory 'UTILITY' on drive E: only if you have
specified drive E: in CDPATH (CDPATH=C:\;D:\;E:\;F:\).
When you are for example in the directory 'C:\EDITOR\WORDPLUS\DOCS'
and you do a cd UTILITY, gemini will succeed in finding it.
When GEMINI finds it, it also prints the full path of the
directory. Hope you now know where CDPATH is use for.
Geert.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 91 12:40 GMT
From: Lee Bohan <LB7@vaxb.york.ac.uk>
Subject: Gemnin Docs
To: INFO-ATARI16 <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:INFO-ATARI16@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.edu>
Does anyone know where I could get hold of an English version of the
documentation for gemini? Even the full english version has the documentation
in German. If anyone has any idea, please reply to me via email, not to the list
as my reading of the list will be infrequent in the near future
Thanks,
Lee.
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Date: 2 Jun 91 14:53:18 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!yorkohm!minster!pete@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Hard disk booting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1JUN91133124@vms.huji.ac.il> seran@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>Hi,
> Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones.
>Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot
>drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused
>the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried
>and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not help.
>The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working
>and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to the
>thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up with
>a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put
>in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost fully
>entact.
>
> I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not
>partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible.
>make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive
>d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager
acceses.
>Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c:
>and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am
>wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated.
>
> Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And
>is there also a way to do the same for aladin?
>
> Thanks,
> Eran..
>(please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list
> often)
>
> SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Every time I cock up my boot partition (and it happens frequently; I seem to
attract cruddy software) I just do the obvious -- power the hard disk down,
boot from floppy, switch the drive on when the machine's booted safely (I
use a disk with no ACCs or AUTO programs for ``emergencies'' like this -- it
contains AHDI, Gulam and Disk Doctor) and run AHDI (you may need ICDBOOT or
whatever) from the desktop, use ``Install'' to put C: back on the
desktop, delete whatever's causing me any problems from \ and \auto,
then power up again. Everything works then.
It works for me and is a lot less drastic than formatting...
Pete Fenelon
--
Dept. of Computer Science|INTERNET: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
University of York |UUCP: {the world}!ukc!minster!pete
York Y01 5DD ENGLAND |JANET: pete@uk.ac.york.minster
Tel: +44 904 432714 |EMERGENCY:pete%minster.york.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
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Date: 29 May 91 18:28:44 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!yorkohm!minster!pete@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Mac fonts (was Re: ST code or C source for uncompressing .hqx & .sit
files: Wanted!)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991May28.202026.24719@cs.cmu.edu> redmond+@cs.cmu.edu (Redmond
English) writes:
>I'd like to try converting some mac fonts to GDOS format, but all the
>ftp font archives have the mac fonts compressed using something that
>creates .sit and .hqx extensions.
>
>Does anybody know of any way I can uncompress these files on either my
>ST or a unix system (before down loading) ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Red/.
There _used to_ be an archive full of Mac fonts (Geneva, Chicago, Elvish and
a few other bits'n'pieces) converted to GDOS format on the Atari archive at
uk.ac.lancs.pdsoft. (You can't access it from the Internet, it's only
on JANET). I did download it at one point and play with the fonts
inside Degas and EasyDraw, but I don't have them any more....
soooooo...
does anyone know if it's still there and what the easiest way for Redmond
to get hold of it if it does?
Pete
--
Dept. of Computer Science|INTERNET: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
University of York |UUCP: {the world}!ukc!minster!pete
York Y01 5DD ENGLAND |JANET: pete@uk.ac.york.minster
Tel: +44 904 432714 |EMERGENCY:pete%minster.york.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:22:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
(Claus Brod)
Subject: Problems with GDOS and HD driver (again)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
s_kraemer@iravcl.ira.uka.de writes:
>Does anybody know how to solve this? Or can I use another HD driver without
>getting into trouble?
CBHD V3.7 works flawlessly with any HDplus from Vortex. I never heard of any
GDOS problems.
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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 3 Jun 91 08:48:04 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!news@uunet.uu.net (|S| Florian Dingler)
Subject: Re: PD fonts for Calamus reqd
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> While on the DTP topic, is anybody interested in clip-art? The .img format
> works well for Calamus. Any comments?
A clip-art directory would be nice also.
I am interested in that.
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Date: 3 Jun 91 10:42:17 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1rse@uunet.uu.net (Dave Johnson)
Subject: ST User Virus!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> In article <5236@syma.sussex.ac.uk> grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
> (Graham S Thomas) writes:
> least. On the cover disk is what they call - several times - the 'very
> latest version of UniTerm'. The version is in fact 2.0c. ...
>
> You'll also find an illegal (very!) copy of NEOchrome on there too.
> About now you'll all be saying "Why does this guy keep going on about
> NEOchrome?". Well the answer is I would like it to be PD officially but Atari
> seem disinterested.
>
Actually it's NEochrome Master, and the documentationwith it states that it is
shareware.
Dave
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:17:02 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!te
rminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: ST User Virus!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun3.104217.6278@newcastle.ac.uk> D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk
(Dave Johnson) writes:
>> In article <5236@syma.sussex.ac.uk> grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
>>
>> You'll also find an illegal (very!) copy of NEOchrome on there too.
>> About now you'll all be saying "Why does this guy keep going on about
>> NEOchrome?". Well the answer is I would like it to be PD officially but Atari
>> seem disinterested.
>>
>
>Actually it's NEochrome Master, and the documentationwith it states that it is
>shareware.
>
>
>Dave
Actually, the word from Bob Brodie at Atari is that it's nothing more than
an illegal modification of the original neochrome. Thus, you won't find
it here.
weiner
--
Jeff Weiner --- weiner@{{sklyab,felix}.engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu
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Date: 3 Jun 91 06:01:01 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: TT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am about to see on a purchase of a TT from a friend who knows
another friend which is selling the machine. I think he mention of
around the price of $1000.00 without a monitor. I of course could
not believe the price was that low, but if it is I'm taking it!
I needed to know some info before asking of it.
1) The TT is it a 32-BIT architecture?
2) Any expansion slots? (how many and what are they 8/16/32?)
3) MUTI-TASKING MACHINE RIGHT?
4) How many address registers 32?
5) What is the maximum memory addressable.
6) LAST question is ASSEMBLY develop for the TT available?
I would ask some of these questions to the seller, but it would seem the
seller would not know of these things otherwise he would probably sell
it for more than what I was told. And to Steve what type of DEMOS should
I look for to run on the TT? (It would seem that I have chosen the TT if
that price is what it is).
Thanks in ADVANCE
Jeff
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:28:41 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
(Claus Brod)
Subject: TT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
chuj@horton.colorado.edu (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
> 1) The TT is it a 32-BIT architecture?
With a 68030 built-in - yes, a 32-bit architecture.\
> 2) Any expansion slots? (how many and what are they 8/16/32?)
1 VME slot, D16/A24.
> 3) MUTI-TASKING MACHINE RIGHT?
A multitasking TOS version is rumored to appear later this year or next
year.
> 4) How many address registers 32?
8 address registers (remember it's a 68030).
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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 91 13:32:59 MEZ
From: Michael Burschik <UPP201%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: TT compatibility
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Finally having ordered a TT, some questions bother my troubled sleep.
Can any noble TT owner out there supply me with information on what
programs will or will not run on the TT. I am especially anxious about
games :-) and public domain compilers (c, prolog, lisp).
Thanks for all your help
Mike
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:30:41 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!sys-uea!cmp8157@uunet.uu.net (S.M. Sowerby)
Subject: Unix for the TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes:
>Unix System V Release 4 is available for TT. The package consists of
>TT 030/8 or higher (16 Mb would be quite good), harddisk bigger than
>200Mb (I'm not quite sure of this), X-Windows, TTM 194 19" MC-monitor
>and a big bunch of software and manuals.
>I don't know the exact price, but it is much lower than the NeXT Station,
>and A 3000 & Unix SVR4.
>
>Just checked, the harddisk is 200Mb, and there are also VME Ethernet network
>card, OSF/Motif, and GNU package (with C, C++ etc.).
>
>My personal opinion is that you should get a harddisk of at least 400Mb and
>minimum 16Mb of total RAM to run this Unix well enough (=fast enough).
>
>A friend of mine told me that his Unix workstation has a 1.2Gb hd and it is
>just about enough... But it has it's own nntp package and mail handler.
The information I have (from a UK magazine) is:
Standard Unix-TT : TT030/8-210 (i.e. 8Mb RAM,210Mb hard disk) with
Unix 5.4, X-Windows (can't remember version no),
OSF/Motif, GNU package, TTM-194 19" monitor.
Price = $4000 US
Network Unix-TT : As above but with Ethernet among other comms stuff (not
detailed)
Price = $4500 US
Unix Upgrade : Unix, X-Windows, OSF/Motif, GNU stuff installed
on 210Mb hard disk.
Price = $1600 US
-This is the one I'm interested in as I currently have a TT030-8/40
One interesting piece of software from a company called X-Software
(or something like that) was said to allow GEM programs to run within an
X-Windows window... adds the very nice feature of not needing to reboot or
come out of Unix to run standard ST/TT software.
I'm pretty sure the prices I give were the ones quoted (magazine
is at home, not here!) but I'll check and post the correct prices if I've
got them wrong...
Just out of interest has anybody seen any TT-specific programs out
there which really make use of the beast's power ? I've heard about a new
art package which handles TT-low and TT-high screen resolutions but that's
about it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Sowerby, (cmp8157@s1.uea.ac.uk)
School of Information Systems,
University of East Anglia,
Norwich NR4 7TJ, England.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 91 14:14 N
From: <MFAGKCHR%HMARL5.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Which laser printer to buy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I would like some advice on buying a laser printer.
So far I know:
SLM 804: is no longer produced.
SLM 605: fast (uses DMA)
drivers for most software
postscript as software option (ultrascript) but don't know
about the fonts and price.
HP laserjet 3: HPGL integrated
extra memory might be needed for full page graphics
(TeX)
postscript available as option
NEC seems to offer a postscript printer at low price
Any comments?
Chris Evelo
==============================================================
Dept. of Occup. & Chris Evelo
Environm. Health MFAGKCHR@HMARL5 (BITNET)
and Toxicology.
University of Limburg Tel: 31-43-888635
P.O. Box 616 Fax: 31-43-436080
6200 MD Maastricht
The Netherlands
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