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Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 29 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 412
Today's Topics:
1040STe questions
Accidently formatting
A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list)) (2
msgs)
Atari Meese 1991
digittal sample playback question
Idea for a program (maybe DC?) (2 msgs)
OSI Personal Pascal bug
PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC
PD BBS software for Atari-ST.
Personal pascal 2.05
Posting games to the net
skates.lzh at terminator
Turbo-C
Upload to Atari.archive (MOD player accesory for STe/TT)
zoo 2.1 on comp.binaries.atari.st
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Date: 28 Jul 91 22:20:59 GMT
From: world!azog@uunet.uu.net (azog-thoth)
Subject: 1040STe questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, in a few weeks, I will have the money to purchase a new 1040STe
to replace my lightning-struck 520STfm, and wanted to ask a few
questions... (had to sell one of my beloved pdp-11s to get the money)
Anyways. I know the 1040STe can use SIMMs for memory upgrade, and
I am curious as to the difference between 1m*8 and 1m*9 SIMMs.
Is there any pin difference? If I plug in a 1m*9 into a 1040STe,
what will happen? Will it work, and just ignore the extra bit?
Also. can the 1040STe use the 1mb TOS parts, that are found in the
Megas? Reason I ask is I would like the TOS in a Mega, but cant
afford a Mega STe! (1040STe for about $380, Mega-2 STe for about $1300,
yes I relize its got a hard drive, but I cant get that kinda cash)
I mostly do MIDI with some other 'hacking' (Ive thought before my
520ST died, and after, about an Amiga, its does have some nice
gee-whiz features, you must admit, but Ill stick with Atari, thank
you)
Also, I see lots of complaints about problems on Mega STe's, and
am wondering if any big time major bugs live in the 1040STe?
I wont be using Spectre or anything fancy like that...
Thanx
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine | I beg to differ! |
| azog@world.std.com | -- Prong -- |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
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Date: 29 Jul 91 11:39:57 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorke
lwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@ariz
ona.edu (Claus Brod)
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:
>Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot
>sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it.
>Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of
>how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all
>the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?)
Formatting a disk on an ST completely overwrites all data in all
sectors. What you mean is what one might call a 'logical erase'
operation which is offered by some formatters and GEMINI as an
option. In this case, you probably could save the data, but not
after a standard format operation. This whole confusion stems
from the fact that those DOS people don't seem to know exactly
what they are talking about when they speak of 'formatting a disk'.
Sometimes they mean 'low-level formatting', sometimes just
'logical erase'.
---
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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 27 Jul 91 14:04:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!grasp1!frmug!elrond@arizona.edu (Bertrand
Petit)
Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish
list))
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <RALPH.91Jul18185320@orion.laas.fr>, ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek)
writes:
> In article <1991Jul15.163633.26800@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu
(Timothy Gallivan) writes:
> | 4) A graphical interface to one of the PD debuggers would also be nice,
> | something like dbxtool on Suns. One window has the source
> | listing with an arrow pointing to the current line. Break points
> | can be selected with the mouse, etc. By the way, do any of
> | the commercial C packages have anything like this?
>
> That would already be decent! But why can't we get a decent debugger
> environment (even on a Sun)? I mean to have something under X11 as
> ergonomic as some of those old Lisp Machine debuggers were. I would
> just love to have something as usable as Xerox's Interlisp debugger
> front-end; that alone would reduce debugging time by at least 50%.
>
> Maybe this is all wishful thinking...
>
TD (Turbo Debugger) have a nice GEM interface but it is very slow to
use this kind of interface. I perfer ADEBUGC+ a french source level debugger
with a monst-like interface.
--
| Bertrand Petit | Signature is under construction |
| alias | |
| >Elrond le demi-Elfe< | Be sure to wear your helmet |
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Date: 29 Jul 91 11:57:27 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rphroy!albert.cs
.gmr.com!rhaar@arizona.edu (Robert L. Haar CS50)
Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish
list))
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <RALPH.91Jul18185320@orion.laas.fr>, ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P.
Sobek) writes:
|> In article <1991Jul15.163633.26800@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Timothy Gallivan) writes:
|> | 4) A graphical interface to one of the PD debuggers would also be nice,
|> | something like dbxtool on Suns. One window has the source
|> | listing with an arrow pointing to the current line. Break points
|> | can be selected with the mouse, etc. By the way, do any of
|> | the commercial C packages have anything like this?
|>
|> That would already be decent! But why can't we get a decent debugger
|> environment (even on a Sun)? I mean to have something under X11 as
|> ergonomic as some of those old Lisp Machine debuggers were. I would
|> just love to have something as usable as Xerox's Interlisp debugger
|> front-end; that alone would reduce debugging time by at least 50%.
|>
|> Maybe this is all wishful thinking...
|>
Look at the Saber C and C++ products. They are particularly nice under
X11 or OpenWindows.
Robert Haar, Ph.D., InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com
Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
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Date: 29 Jul 91 11:02:34 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.edu
Subject: Atari Meese 1991
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul27.135822.4089@menudo.uh.edu>, uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI
Computer Enthusiasts) says:
>
>Just thought I'd drop a note to the net letting all of our international
>friends know that Double Click Software will be attending, displaying and
>selling our wares at this year's Atari Meese show in Duesseldorf.
Nice to hear this. The Atari fair in Duesseldorf is a great thing to meet
people!
>Plus, our DC Utilities, DC Desktop, DC Shower and (tadum!) Data Diet - the
>_only_ realtime compression program for the Atari computer. Not to mention
>our DC Port serial expansion cartridge, too.
>
Umph, this is not entirely true. A similar program (don't konw how good it
is) was published by 'TOS-Magazin' last year.
>We really look forward to meeting our net friends face to face (and sharing
>a few rounds with them too!).
>
>- mike vederman / double click software
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others
___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
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Date: 24 Jul 91 22:08:32 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!su
nic!dkuug!imada!micro@arizona.edu (Klaus Pedersen)
Subject: digittal sample playback question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
trux@beyond.caltech (Flem Snopes) writes:
> I wonder if anyone knows anything about how digitized sounds are played back
>on an Atari ST. I have a digitizer for my IBM which produces a file of size
> I know that impressive digital replay is possible on the ST, any ideas
>how?
Try to look at NT_COMP at atari.archive.umich.edu in the sound/player directory.
NT_COMP will load and play the file, but more interestingly there is source
to all kinds of player hardware, ROM port, Printer port, STe DMA and the good
old standard ST soundchip...
-Klaus.
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Date: 28 Jul 91 22:44:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!helios!etsuv2.etsu.edu!r_gambs@a
rizona.edu (The Pendragon)
Subject: Idea for a program (maybe DC?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I just thought of a neat idea for a program. Maybe it already exists and
if so, if someone would point me in the right direction, I would appreciate
it. What I need is a Quota program for my HD. It would tell me how much
of the disk is used, and maybe break it down with a bar graph for each
partition. I hate having to do a 'show info' for each partition individually
then whip out the old calculator. I have a Syquest drive and ICD Host,
if it makes a difference.
///////////////////////////////////-\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
//// Send EMAIL to: |Robert Gambs |||| \\\\
/// s54394gr@etsuacad.etsu.edu |Computer "Games" Major |||| \\\
// Or R_Gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu |East Texas State University/ || \ \\
/=======================================================================\
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Date: 29 Jul 91 03:48:59 GMT
From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@decwrl.dec.com (Roger
Sheppard)
Subject: Idea for a program (maybe DC?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <19468@helios.TAMU.EDU> r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu writes:
> I just thought of a neat idea for a program. Maybe it already exists and
> if so, if someone would point me in the right direction, I would appreciate
> it. What I need is a Quota program for my HD. It would tell me how much
> of the disk is used, and maybe break it down with a bar graph for each
> partition. I hate having to do a 'show info' for each partition individually
> then whip out the old calculator. I have a Syquest drive and ICD Host,
> if it makes a difference.
> ///////////////////////////////////-\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> //// Send EMAIL to: |Robert Gambs |||| \\\\
> /// s54394gr@etsuacad.etsu.edu |Computer "Games" Major |||| \\\
> // Or R_Gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu |East Texas State University/ || \ \\
> /=======================================================================\
Well I use FREE and is very good, does all the Things that you ask, but
have seen others.
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not ***
*** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! ***
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Date: 28 Jul 91 12:42:02 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: OSI Personal Pascal bug
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I just upgraded my Personal pascal 2.02 to 2.05 from HiSoft in England
i costed my almost nothing and the new version is 3 years newer !!!
Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______
0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ /
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Date: 26 Jul 91 17:47:36 GMT
From:
deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!unido!mcshh!janhh!jan@decwrl.dec.co
m (Jan Willamowius)
Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Patrick Hawke asked:
> I currently have PC Ditto I. How does this compare to SoftPC in Spectre
(MAC).
Maybe the better question would be how does PC Ditto compare to SoftPC
on the ST. On CeBit '91 I talked with someone from Insignia who said
that had already finished a ST-Version and Atari has it.
Does anybody know why Atari doesn't release it ?
- Jan
--
Jan Willamowius, Nienredder 6, 2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
E-Mail: jan@janhh.hanse.de
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Date: 23 Jul 91 05:41:50 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!psin
ntp!uupsi!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Robert.Elsinga@arizona.edu (Robert Elsinga)
Subject: PD BBS software for Atari-ST.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In a message of <10 Jul 91 21:03:43>, elrond@frmug.fr.mugnet.org
(2:320/100.1) writes:
e> -MSGID: 2:320/100.1 288b7725
e> From: elrond@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Bertrand Petit)
e> Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.sys.atari.st
e> Organization: Minix User Group France
e>
e>
e> I am seeking for a public domain or freeware BBS software for the
e> Atari-ST. I can't afford shareware because i have bought QuickBBS ST
e> and dropded it last week. This program is a shame: full of bugs. I
e> nearly must reboot the computer between each calls.
What? I can't believe that... I know several QBBS/ST BBS and *none* of them is
having trouble of some sort... but maybe you did something wrong? All the
other people who are using QBBS/ST 1.02 are very happy with it!
Robert Elsinga =8-)
Robert_Elsinga%p10.f301.n282.z2@hippo.slcdec.dfv.rwth-aachen.de
---
Co-sysop * Atari BBS Connection * Leeuwarden NL
Robert.Elsinga@p10.f301.n282.z2.fidonet.org
or tfd.com!afp!gna!linn!p10.f301.n282.z2.fido!Robert.Elsinga
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Date: 28 Jul 91 12:46:32 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: Personal pascal 2.05
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
PERSONAL PASCAL Version 2.05
The following bugs/difficulties reported for earlier versions were FIXED:
=========================================================================
1. Esc key doesn't always clear editable text field in dialog box.
2. Off-center dialog boxes not displayed correctly.
3. The default button in Compiler Options dialog box doesn't respond
to return key.
4. Read(char) waits for carriage return to exit.
5. Bugs in register allocations.
6. Arrays having more than one dimension incorrectly compiled if size
was over 32k.
7. EOF and EOLN improperly handled. Last line of text file not read if
no cr/lf at end of file.
8. After reset(f,'CON:') EOLN is correctly edited and input can be
edited.
9. Entering/exiting supervisor mode sometimes caused bombs.
10. Obj_Redraw and Show_Dialog not in libraries.
11. Read and write cannot be used in random access file i/o.
12. Demos don't compile or run properly.
13. Improper memory allocation through new/dispose.
14. Procedural parameters didn't compile or run correctly.
15. The author states "there were a lot of other fixes in the last 1.5
years but I don't remember them."
The following bugs/problems are still known to exist.
=====================================================
1. Pressing alternate-N more than twice bombs the editor.
2. Cannot exit editor with keystrokes after closing file from menu.
3. EDIT.RSC must be in the current default directory.
4. Long_trunc sometimes delivers incorrect value. Solution is to use
the function longtrunc in file LTRUNC.PAS.
----------------
In addition the new COMPILER call appl_exit as it should when it exits after
a succesful compilation (the old one forgot, and this caused crash after 5-10
compilations on some machines....()
Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______
0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ /
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Date: 29 Jul 91 08:14:16 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!bluemoon!d
ddean@arizona.edu (David D. Dean)
Subject: Posting games to the net
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello:
I have recently just finished a game I created using the game creator
STOS, and am wondering what the "rules" are for posting a new game/program
to comp.binaries.
If I remember reading it somewhere, I think that I can post one all I
want, but to have it kept at the atari archives, what so I have to do?
YES... the program WILL be UUENCODED...
Thanks
You can send any replies to:
David D. Dean, President David D. Dean, Vice Chairman
Explorer Post 891 Exploring Officer's Association
AT&T Systems/Bell Labs Central Ohio Council
dddean@bluemoon.uucp Columbus, OH 43227
**** Any opinions are that of the author, and NOT of AT&T ****
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Date: 26 Jul 91 17:21:46 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalin
k.COM!psinntp!uupsi!stiatl!iam@arizona.edu (Ian Mercado)
Subject: skates.lzh at terminator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes:
>In article <5057@hh.maus.de> Thomas_Quester@hh.maus.de (Thomas Quester) writes:
>>
>> JM>Well, first I should express my feelings toward .LZH files:
>> JM> "There should be a law against them!"
>> JM>I finally obtained an LZH extractor that worked with the .LZH file :)
>> JM>ANYWAY, I placed the files in A:/skates/jmw as documented, but keep
>> JM>getting a mysterious "error #052, press any key"...
>>
This is the last time I'm posting this:
The files go in a folder called A:\SKATES.JMW NOT A:\SKATES\JMW
~ --- ~
Play it once, erase it, and go your merry way like I did.
--
-------- ---- ---- -- | Ian Mercado: iam@stiatl.salestech.com |
-- - - ----- -- | emory!stiatl!iam |
-- -------- -- ----- | |
-------- -- -- -- ---- | "Can't keep my mind from the circling sky" |
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Date: 28 Jul 91 17:45:51 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pri
mate.wisc.edu!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Turbo-C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <12116@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> univwa@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de (Bernhard
Stumpf) writes:
>In article <11582@m.maus.de>, Martin_Gaeckler@m.maus.de (Martin Gaeckler)
writes:
>>
>> Dave Halliday D.C.Halliday%newcastle.ac.uk @ SUB am Mo, 15.07.91 11:02 writes
>>
>> >|>Did Borland give a reason for stopping to support the Atari ST product?
>>
>> No, Borlang USA didn't give any reason for that. Turbo C for the Atari ST was
>> only supported by Borland Germany an independed company which was owned by
>> Fritz Heimsoeth. After Borland USA bought Borland Germany (in July 1990) they
>> didn't take interesting in supporting Turbo C. And, unfortunately, it take a
>> long time to give back Turbo C to the the developpers.
>>
>> Greeting from bavaria
>>
>> Martin Gaeckler
>
>Just for your information:
>
>In Germany, the distributor of Turbo C is now Application Systems, Heidelberg
>(ASH), better: of the successor of TC called PureC.
>
>PureC is a complete development system (graphics shell-editor-Ansi C compiler-
>assembler-debugger-linker). It will cost about 400.- DM. The Developpers of
>Pure-Software have also done the developpement of TC 2.0.
>Users of Laser-C and Megamax C will automatically be offered an update to
>Pure-C.
>
>(informations taken from: TOS 8/91, p.11)
>
>
>
>greetings bst
>
>
>
> *****************************************************************************
> * *
> * Dipl.Ing. Bernhard Stumpf | | | *
> * / ___ / University of the Saarland | | | *
> * /----. /__. -/- D-6600 Saarbruecken | | | *
> * /____/ ___/ /_. / | \ *
> * phone : ++49-681-302-41.43 / | \ *
> * e-mail: bestu@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de / | \ *
> * *
> *****************************************************************************
They make an English version, better than or equal to Turbo C 2.0, I'll
have my check ready!
Turbo C 2.0 for the ST never ceases to amaze me.
--Greg
PS: Although, its not perfect it does have some annoying bugs :)
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Date: 25 Jul 91 00:38:43 GMT
From: deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!imada!micro@decwrl.dec.com
(Klaus Pedersen)
Subject: Upload to Atari.archive (MOD player accesory for STe/TT)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have just send
JUKEBOX.LZH : An accesory that plays MOD and SEGM files in the background
on STe/TT computers with DMA sound (not Book and Pad as I
Understand it).
Please let me know if you find errors in the program, I can't use it myself
because I only have a MEGA ST2, so your help is needed...
(this program is written for Ed Krimem and now back to the serious stuff)
-Klaus
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Date: 28 Jul 91 22:53:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!exodus!twit
terpater.Eng.Sun.COM!koreth@arizona.edu (Steven Grimm)
Subject: zoo 2.1 on comp.binaries.atari.st
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've just sent out Bill Shroka's port of Zoo 2.1. As noted at the top of the
first part, I will now accept submissions to both comp.sources.atari.st and
comp.binaries.atari.st in Zoo 2.1 high-compression format, and will use that
format when I repack things to save space. A new archive type keyword,
"zoo-high", will be placed in the Keywords line of articles posted in the
new format.
Sources are in comp.sources.atari.st (and 10 parts long, so only half of it
went out today.)
---
Steven Grimm koreth@eng.sun.com Moderator, comp.{sources,binaries}.atari.st
"We must be brave, and not let them know how frightened we really are."
-- OPEN LOOK Graphical User Interface Functional Specification
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