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Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 17 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 397
Today's Topics:
1040STe and a Star Gemini II printer
Amusing insites re Amiga owners (For ST owners only)
Atari 1040 + monitor for sale
DC Click software
Double Click programs
GhostScript 2.2 (was Two questions)
GRC or Mac ROMs wanted
MEGA STE problems (Summarise)
Reset-Proof Ramdisk
SLM605 vs Mac Lasers
Spectre backups
STe and a Star Gemini II Printer (2 msgs)
The demise of ST World
tos bugs
TT compatability...
Video Key
Wanted - info on Mega ST 8/16 MHz accelerators (2 msgs)
What are the Specs of the TT?
what I think about GEM
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Date: 10 Jul 91 11:49:44 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: 1040STe and a Star Gemini II printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
A local computer user (I use the term loosely because she has a Commodore 64), w
a 1040STe. However, she wants to keep on using her Star Gemini II printer. I am
Comoodore products and do not have info on the interface used on the printer (no
Anyone have any info on whether or not we can connect the printer to an STe with
cabling. The printer's cable looks like:
/ | \
| | |
i.e. 6 pins (definitely not a Centronics standars!!!)
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Date: 18 Jul 91 15:48:58 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!qut.edu.au!lunnon@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Amusing insites re Amiga owners (For ST owners only)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Funny people, some Amiga owners
Last night we had a careers evening here and gave
some tours to prospective students. In my part of the tour we
showed our Apollo network and our Silicon Graphics 4D35
2048x1024 GT 56 plane Z buffered 3d Graphics system. One 15 Y-o
decided to tell me that his Amiga could do that !!!!
Granted, I like my Machine at home but I would *NEVER* Pit
it against A 4d35 even if it were a TT (040 model) SGI is just the
ants pants when it comes to graphics.
Tis ever amusing...
PS for the Die-hard Amiga readers out there reading this, Please
***NOTE*** I am posting this to Comp.sys.ATARI.ST not Amiga.advocacy
so please flame by email. This item was intended ONLY for ST owners
flame-wars and credit cards will not be accepted
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Date: 17 Jul 91 14:11:13 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watcgl!electr
o.com!carlo@arizona.edu (Carlo Sgro)
Subject: Atari 1040 + monitor for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For sale:
Atari 1040 (with single 720K disk drive and mouse)
Colour Monitor
Much Software (purchased and public domain; nothing really of high
profile but all of the basics (spreadsheet, database, word processor,
communications program, tons of games))
Dead PC-Ditto II
Asking $550 U.S. (negotiable). I'll pay up to $20 of shipping, you pay the
rest.
--
Carlo Sgro Not a card-carrying member of the
watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo Laurie Bower Singers Fan Club.
carlo@electro.com
System Administrator, Electrohome, Ltd., Kitchener, ON, (519)744-7111x7210
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Date: 17 Jul 91 22:44:34 GMT
From: world!azog@uunet.uu.net (azog-thoth)
Subject: DC Click software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, this may be a bit farfetched from the type of programs that
DC Click people write (useful utilities, acc's), but Ill throw in
my two cents...
About the only thing Ive ever envied MicroSoft Windows 3.0 for is the
stock game, solitair. Its a great diversion to help while the hours
away when work gets real slow, and it would be kinda fun to have a
GEM based solitair game for home...
Ive neither the tools needed (assemblers, compilers) or the knowledge
(GEM internals) needed to write such a program..
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine | Come as you are, reclaim your identity!!! |
| azog@world.std.com | -- MOD -- |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
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Date: 17 Jul 91 10:07:38 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!qmw-dcs!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Double Click programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <1991Jul16.031556.2739@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, by boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
(Mickey Boyd):
>
> I would like to see a .ttp version of DCShowit for us Neodesk users.
> DCShowit is by far the best ASCII file viewer for the ST (IMHO), and I miss
> it!!
I agree that DC Showit is a fine file viewer, and as a confirmed NeoDesk
addict I miss it too. I think I read somewhere that DC have now put out
a commercial release, called DC Shower (easy to confuse with a way of
cleaning yourself, but I guess there's a limit to the number of <=6
character combinations to follow the letters DC).
No doubt someone else can remember the price and availability details.
It would be nice for some magazine to compare all the various offerings,
including Doug Harrison's Lookit! and 101 PD alternatives. For the
moment I'm sticking with Moshe Braner's MORE.TTP, which is not quite as
comprehensive or convenient as some others but works fine with a hard
disk and judicious use of 'install application'.
Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
Email: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk Phone: +44 273 678165 Fax: +44 273 685865
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Date: 17 Jul 91 20:00:01 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!m.cs.uiuc
.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan)
Subject: GhostScript 2.2 (was Two questions)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul16.195825.15511@cs.mcgill.ca> jon@nabob.cc.mcgill.ca
(Jonathan Carroll) writes:
>I noticed someone awhile back mentioned Ghostscript (postscript viewer) for the
>ST but haven't seen it anywhere. I'm almost sure he said it was at
>atari.archive.... Anybody seen it?
This question sounds like a good opportunity to tell everyone that GS
2.2 for the ST will be available soon (I hope to upload it this
weekend). If you are thinking of downloading GS (a rather lengthy
proposition), you might want to wait for 2.2. Version 2.2 fixes various
GS bugs and supports improved fonts.
In addition, the ST version of 2.2 provides monochrome screen support
(the resolution is adjustable--Thanks to Hauke Hess for this driver)
along with support of 24-pin epson and deskjet printers. In GS 2.1.1,
every device had a separate executable (very ugly). If you want some
other standard GS driver included, email me before this weekend. GS 2.2
also takes backslashes in filenames. GS 2.1.1 is known to run on STs, at
least one TT, and to correctly process ouptut from dvips, gnuplot, and
gem2ps. I expect the same from 2.2.
In case you can't wait for 2.2, here is where 2.1.1 resides at
atari.archive. I expect that the 2.2 distribution will replace
these files.
/atari/printing/gsprev.zoo This is GS2.1.1 with Hauke Hess's
screen driver as the only device.
This is in the wrong directory.
/atari/gnustuff/tos/ghstscrpt/ghscrptb.zoo This archive contains
the 2.1.1 binaries. It
is rather large because
it contains seperate
binaries for three
printer devices. In 2.2,
all devices will be in a
single executable.
/atari/ghustuff/tos/ghstscrpt/ghscrpts.zoo The GS2.1.1 source. You
need GCC 1.39 to compile
this.
There are also some fonts in /atari/ghustuff/tos/ghstscrpt. I assume
that they are for 2.1.1. I am unsure at the moment about the
compatibility between 2.1.1 and 2.2 fonts.
-Tim Gallivan
timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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Date: 15 Jul 91 14:36:52 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!dae
mon@arizona.edu
Subject: GRC or Mac ROMs wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Someone in the US was going to sell me his ROMs then said that he changed his mi
he prefers to sell them in the US because he's worried about losing his money. C
however, there's nothing I can do other than ask netters if anyone else has or k
for sale!
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Date: 17 Jul 91 21:51:31 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.c
olumbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!forwiss.uni-passau.de!scotty!wieninge@arizona.edu
(Christian Wieninger)
Subject: MEGA STE problems (Summarise)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
all the problems you described occure also on my MEGA STe,
but have you also the following one:
If cache is on, blitter off, and external harddisk connected,
pixels occure on the screen, when I am on the desktop. I get
them when I goto the menuline and leave it. It seames as a byte
was written on the screen, cause it`s about 8 pixels. They are
in the upper left corner.
My dealer said, an explanation could be,that you should
have blitter off, when cache is on. He said this is written
in the newest Atari manuals you buy with the machine.
Is this right?
By the way, his opinion to all these errors was,
" THIS IS ATARI LIVE ".
See you later, Christian.
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Date: 16 Jul 91 23:47:58 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hplsla!andyc@arizona.edu
(Andy Cassino)
Subject: Reset-Proof Ramdisk
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
malay@sae.com (Bob Malay) writes:
| I'm looking for (either PD or commercial) a reset-proof ramdisk that will
| run on a 4Meg 1040Ste without bombs. I tried the eternal2 from a.a and I
| get two bombs. I then tried eternal from ST-Format and it gave two bombs.
The latest CodeHead Utilities contains what has to be the absolute coolest
ramdisk around. Not only is it reset-proof and bug-free, it works properly
with POOLFIX after a reset (e.g. POOLFIX doesn't bail out because it found
the ramdisk got there before it did). And, with this ramdisk you can install
a second ramdisk drive, which can be used as a reset-proof print spooler!
There's also about a jillion other features for this ramdisk that I'm not
too familiar with, 'cuz I don't need 'em.
Disclaimer - I'm just a happy CodeHead customer, is all!
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
% Andy Cassino %
% Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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Date: 6 Jul 91 09:33:36 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: SLM605 vs Mac Lasers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In response to a query, have I seen the new Mac lasers, sure - there is a
very big Mac user community on site. When it comes to bit mapped graphics,
the 68030 in the Mac laser won't help if you're waiting for the file to
go from the Mac to the laser via Appletalk. Via the fast DMA with the
ST/SLM605, bitmapped graphics zoom out. I agree that Postscript is great
and rally makes things faster but, sorry, it means squat for bitmapped
graphics cause dots-is-dots. Do a lot of DTP with digitiezed pix and you'll
see why the ST/SLM605 outperforms the pack!!!
Finally, the Amiga user who said that ST users are too defensive is right!
I love the feedback from other groups even though I am an avid ST user.
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Date: 17 JUL 91 18:04:51 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: Spectre backups
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Steven Selick writes:
>
>Has anybody found a program (mac or atari) that will back up a mac
>partition in Spectre 3.0?
>
Two programs work great in backing up Spectre partitions: DiskFit
and Redux. Both are in the $40-$55 range, I think and work perfectly.
In fact, I have yet to see anything for the ST that comes close to
either program for hard drive backup.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 16 Jul 91 00:06:30 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: STe and a Star Gemini II Printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Once again, does anyone know if it is possible to connect a Star Gemini II
printer (one with a Commodore 64 interface) to an Atari STe?
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Date: 18 Jul 91 01:18:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!cache
.usu.edu!kurto@arizona.edu (869883 Olsen Kurt_Consultant)
Subject: STe and a Star Gemini II Printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>Anyone have any info on whether or not we can connect the printer to an STe
with
>cabling. The printer's cable looks like:
>
> / | \
> | | |
>
>i.e. 6 pins (definitely not a Centronics standars!!!)
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
Looks like it's a serial port of some kind. Don't know much about the c64
though.
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Date: 17 Jul 91 12:30:58 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1rse@uunet.uu.net (Dave Johnson)
Subject: The demise of ST World
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well its no confirmed ST World is no more, ST User is claiming that is is going
to change some more, the
section on games will form a tear out section, while the best of ST world will
be introduced to the pages of
ST User, the ST World product tests will take place form time to time.
Also claimed by ST User is the the WHICH consumers organization rated the ST(E)
as a best buy in the sub 500
pound price range.
Yours
Dave J
--
+-------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
| David M. Johnson | If the radiance of a thousand suns |
| c/o Electrical and Electronic Eng. | were to burst at once in the sky, |
| Merz Court | That would be like the splendor |
| Newcastle University | of the Mighty One... |
| Newcastle upon Tyne | I am become Death |
| NE1 7RU | The destroyer of worlds. |
+-------------------------------------+ |
|Janet : D.M.Johnson@uk.ac.newcastle | |
|ARPA : D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk | The Mahbharata. |
|UUCP : ...ukc!newcastle!D.M.Johnson | |
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Date: 17 Jul 91 19:37:30 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf
.bu.edu!selick@arizona.edu (Steven Selick)
Subject: tos bugs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for a list of all of the known bugs in tos 1.4 and also
tos 1.6. Also, what are the keyboard differences between different
countries and where are these changes in tos 1.4 and 1.6?
<selick@bucsf.bu.edu>
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Date: 17 Jul 91 23:21:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu
!yale.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!unido!ish!miramar!dietmar@arizona.edu
(Dietmar Hendricks)
Subject: TT compatability...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <9107150906.AA07661@ucbvax.berkeley.edu>,
ford@tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk writes:
> 1st Word+ Works in ST high, except for having the wrong text font size.
There is a brandbew release of 1st Word+ that doesn't have any problem
on working with a TT. It's available from Atari or GST and it's version
number should be 3.20TT.
> PS. Should the TTs internal speaker sound as if it's blown?
Is this important for any serious application?
ciao dH
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Date: 17 Jul 91 18:52:30 GMT
From: rti!mozart!snoret@mcnc.org (Rick Tatem)
Subject: Video Key
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Has anyone any experience with a product called a
Video Key? Supposedly it's an RF converter that
allows an ST to be used with a standard TV or VCR.
My monitor recently "blew up real good", and I'm
a little strapped for $$.
If this thing works at all, it's got to be better
than going without (gasp! :). Any info??
Thanks a bunch in advance,
/\
| | Rick Tatem
| | snoret@unx.sas.com
/| |\
/_|__|_\ SAS Institute, Inc. Cary, NC
""
--
/\
| | Rick Tatem
| | snoret@unx.sas.com
/| |\
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Date: 17 JUL 91 17:58:55 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: Wanted - info on Mega ST 8/16 MHz accelerators
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Another comment in favor of ICD's AdSpeed. I've had one in my Mega 4ST
since December of 1990. My Mega is heavily abused, used about 14 hours/day
by several clients. In addition, it may go on the road a lot, working under
terrible power conditions (I'm still irritated by the guy who stated that
the ST had poor quality control on design...grrrr!). The ICD AdSpeed
has worked flawlessly, evidenced by great window refreshing.
In addition, I'm using the Spectre GCR and the ICD AdSpeed makes a
more profound difference in "Mac" operations than a real Mac Plus with
a $500 accelerator. The difference is so obvious that benchmark testers
such as Speedometer aren't even necessary.
ICD's installation is easy once the older 68000 is removed. A socket
is provided and the accelerator is plugged in. 8 and 16 mhz operation can
be by either software or hardware switching.
I'm very impressed with ICD's work. I would like to mention that
Jim Allen's Turbo20 accelerator also installs rather easily and is a great
enhancement to the quality of a well-built machine, the ST.
Note that I have had an ST product since 1985 and have been a rather
critical person of Atari's U.S. doings. But hardware-wise, the ST takes
to items like accelerators rather well. I'm most impressed with add-ons
like this.
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
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Date: 17 Jul 91 17:54:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!m.cs.uiuc
.edu!vela!wsu-cs!jake!pbh@arizona.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Wanted - info on Mega ST 8/16 MHz accelerators
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jul17.142309.186@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David H Butler) writes:
>I have heard rumors of the 20mhz board, and unless
>there have been improvements in the 68000, they should burn out much faster
>then at 16mhz, I guess it depends on how long you intend to keep your computer.
Burn out? As long as your machine keeps cool the IC's should last
indefinitely. Is this 20MHZ 68xxx attached to a heat sink? You might
want to look into one of those if you're having heat problems with the
chip itself (although I'd much rather have a fan).
--
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PRODIGY - Not anymore, Jackson. Bitnet - phaggoo@waynest1
Phone - (313) 577-0669
Voice - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!"
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Date: 17 Jul 91 12:26:10 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1rse@uunet.uu.net (Dave Johnson)
Subject: What are the Specs of the TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
Could some one who owns a TT or has actual facts (not rumours) about the
TT E-mail them to me. I am
interested in what it can do (graphic, sound etc). The basic purchase package
cost and what it consists of
(In the UK so price in pounds please).
Cheers for any infomation
Dave J.
--
+-------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
| David M. Johnson | If the radiance of a thousand suns |
| c/o Electrical and Electronic Eng. | were to burst at once in the sky, |
| Merz Court | That would be like the splendor |
| Newcastle University | of the Mighty One... |
| Newcastle upon Tyne | I am become Death |
| NE1 7RU | The destroyer of worlds. |
+-------------------------------------+ |
|Janet : D.M.Johnson@uk.ac.newcastle | |
|ARPA : D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk | The Mahbharata. |
|UUCP : ...ukc!newcastle!D.M.Johnson | |
+-------------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
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Date: 10 Jul 91 18:31:14 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!k
now!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: what I think about GEM
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Repeatedly, someone crabs about GEM. I agree that the various ST releases of
TOS 1/GEM are limited. However, I find that versions 2 and 3 are very good.
I am hoping that the CPX implementation will take on the flavour of the Mac
system folder approach (especially combined with FSM).
WINDOWS looks great but, compared to GEM or the Mac OS, it is quite clumsy. If
you want to copy a file, you have to run the File Manager, find the file
you want to copy and then TYPE out the destination INCLUDING pathways! Yikes,
gimme a break. The best thing about WINDOWS is WINDOWS applications, NOT
WINDOWS itself. Even that has to be qualified. Try using Corel Draw on a
25 MHz 386SX, like the Compaqs we have. I just do not have the patience to wait
so long for screen updates. An 8MHz ST running Calamus and Outline Art
makes Corel Draw look like a kiddie application in both speed and elegance!
I am a die hard Atari enthusiast but the Mac OS is still the most elegant
OS I have ever used. I cannot speak for GUIs under UNIX (like MOTIF)
because I do not have a system that can take it (I am writing on a 4 meg TT
with a 50 meg drive; from what I am told to use UNIX/MOTIF comfortably I
need 8 megs of RAM and a 120 meg drive).
This is not the start of a FLAME war nor the ravings of a pro ST lunatic.
In my opnion, and that's all it is, MY OPINION, GEM, especially version 3,
is very good. I suspect that those who say GEM is brain dead are referring
to the truly brain dead version on the PC.
I'll repeat something I said on the NET before. I wish I could see an Amiga
in action. Locally (town of 4000), there are > 150 STs and TTs and only a
handful of Amigas (I know of 4). I'd like to see the OS for myself and to
see the types of applications available. Why, because I am not narrow
minded enough to write off another computer just because I do not own one
(one exception is VMS based systems; when I said I was writing on a TT what
I really should have said was that I was writing on a VAX station using
STalker on a TT).
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