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Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 14 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 333
Today's Topics:
Atari& Laser Printer
Atari 520 st forsale
ATSpeed
Booting in 50Hz mode
DMJ_GIF 2.0
GCC, the documentation...
GCC 1.40
Hard-drive on a 520ST?
Hard Disk Utilities
How is Atari doing in Europe? (2 msgs)
How many MBytes would _you_ recommend?
ICD and mono
Lattice C
Mint ? (Eric Smith to replace Bob Dobbs in character set)
Neo Desk 3
set-up for Practical Peripherals 9600 modem?
there is MGR!
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Date: 10 Jun 91 15:53:06 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a466@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Atari& Laser Printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am thinking about buying a 1040ste because I like the music software. (I do
sequencing of electronic music and have sold two albums so far.) I'd like to
get people's opinions on the Atari as a music machine and opinions on the music
and other software for it. My general question is: does the Atari software in
most fields match that of IBM &/or Mac?
Also, I have the possibility of buying the STe with a laser printer. Do Atari
laser printers work ONLY with Atari machines? Are they really good?
Your comments on what's what in the Atari world will be warmly welcomed and
carefully read. Thankyou in advance.
Paul.
--
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Paul Thompson
Sumas Mountain, BC, Canada. Paul Thompson@Mindlink.bc.ca
Rather than praying not to be led into temptation, I ALWAYS
give into temptation; for I find that things which are bad
for me never tempt me...well, hardly ever.
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Date: 13 Jun 91 00:13:36 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbell.com!pacbell!varian!vaxwall
er!lefko@arizona.edu (Marty Lefkowitz)
Subject: Atari 520 st forsale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari 520STfm for sale. Hardly used. 1040 motherboard.
Comes with mono monitor,
1 double sided disk (IBM compatible)
1 single sided disk.
Monitor Stand
All origonal boxes and manuals
$400 or best offer.
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Date: 13 Jun 91 14:30:34 GMT
From: uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@nyu.arpa (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: ATSpeed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've been using ATSpeed for almost a year now, and I like it
very much! I'm running Window3.0 and various other programs,
and in general everything seems to be working out. I do have
problems, though, e.g. I have yet to find a hard disk cache
that works (I've tried Smartdrive[comes with Windows],
Hyperdrive[a shareware program], and PC-cache[which comes with
PC-Tools Deluxe (v.6)])...Also, I still haven't figured out
how to reload the system font with speedfnt after I've
switched to another font. All in all, however, I'm happy I
got it when I did...it has done a lot for me.
The reason I'm posting this here is that I don't really have
much support. I bought the unit from Talon Technologies, and
while they seemed very professional, polite, etc on the phone,
they were not able to answer all my questions nor do they seem
to respond to written questions. In a nutshell, I don't feel
I have the type of support for my msdos emulator that I dofor
Spectre...This is partly due to the fact that the maker of
ATSpeed is in Europe, which does not lend itself very well to
phone calls or snail mail (and of course, Gadgets is great
with their support), and partly due to the fact that there are
a lot fewer people using ATSpeed here in the US than there are
people using Spectre. So, I was hoping to find people who use
ATSpeed, so we could share experiences and maybe help each
other out in this way. If you are an ATSpeed user and would
be interested in getting a list of other users who have access
to the net, let me know and I'll try to put together such a
list and distribute it to those who want it...I know I'd be
interested, so that maybe I'd find out about a cache that
works, and I'd be happy to let others know about things I've
been able to do (or not).
Thanks very much.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
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Date: 14 Jun 91 13:14:13 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!ucsd!mvb.saic.com!steveg@arizona.edu
(Stephen Harold Goldstein)
Subject: Booting in 50Hz mode
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
(I wrote about problems with my screen rolling in 50Hz mode)...
boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu wrote:
>You need to adjust your color monitor. I had to when I first bought my
>machine, and have not had to since (so you should not have to do it every
>time you switch Hz). However, others have stated that they did not have
>as much success. It does not hurt to try though. There are a couple of
>marked plastic pot screws embeded in the back of the monitor. Find the
>v-hold one and turn (ONLY use a plastic TV screwdriver, and be careful).
*THANKS* that did the trick!
Now can anyone tell me just who these guys are that wrote things like
the WHATTHEHECK and Life's a bitch demos? The demos are pretty neat
but I'm concerned about references to 'ripping' sounds from commercial
games and 'copy parties' in their 'scroll texts'. Are these demos nothing
more than cut and paste jobs of stolen code and artwork?
--
---
Stephen Goldstein steveg@cseic.saic.com
My first Atari system? A 24K Atari 800, Rev. A ROMS, C(not G)TIA graphics
Disclaimer: That's not what I said.
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Date: 14 Jun 91 20:49:21 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!ubvmsb.cc.buf
falo.edu!v115lue3@arizona.edu (Philip M Smolin)
Subject: DMJ_GIF 2.0
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If anyone does have 2.0; please upload it to atari.archive.
Thank you.
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Date: 14 Jun 91 08:01:36 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!dpg@uunet.uu.net (Dave Gymer)
Subject: GCC, the documentation...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun12.124204.19116@uniwa.uwa.oz> ermadmin@uniwa.uwa.oz (Earth
Resources Mapping) writes:
>I am just playing with GCC on the ST and find it great!
That's cos it is great!
>[...]
>I would really like to find docs for all the functions.. printf()
>and all the stuff.
There aren't yet any docs for the ST library, however, most of the functions
are from either ANSI C or UNIX, and so a good book on one or both should tell
you what you need to know. Incidentally, if you not already using it, it's a
good idea to go for Eric Smith's MiNT library (even if you don't have MiNT) as
it means that your programs will almost certainly behave when used by those of
us who do use MiNT.
>The few docs that I have seen are in TEX format - that is not a lot
>of help for the people out here whe love GCC but hate TEX!
Unfortunately (for you, anyhow), the GNU project's standard text formatter is
TeX, so you're kind of stumped there! (Perhaps someone could post the info
files built from the docs so that we don't all have to make them?)
--
/* 'Grave' Dave Gymer --------- Internet: dpg@Cs.Nott.AC.UK *\
+* 42 St Marys Park, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0EF, England *+
+* Olivier's Law: "Experience is something you don't get *+
\*-------------------------- until just after you need it." */
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Date: 14 Jun 91 17:25:49 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e
du!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!udecc.engr.udayton.edu!blackbird.afit.af.mil!lonex.ra
dc.af.mil!longj@arizona.edu (Jeffrey K. Long)
Subject: GCC 1.40
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I noticed the sources and diffs for the ST version of GCC1.40 in the
new gnustuff directory at A.A. (Thanks to Graham for the neat re-org!!)
Before I go to the trouble to try and compile it, has someone else already
got the ST version of GCC1.40 compiled up, and could they please post it
to A.A??
Thanks to all, and again, public thanks to Graham Higgins for his work in
getting the gnu directories on A.A in such nice shape!
Jeff Long
--
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longj@lonex.radc.af.mil (preferred) Network Design Laboratory
jlong@cassiopeia.radc.af.mil (315)330-7751 or (DSN)587-7751
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Date: 12 Jun 91 00:07:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!linus!philabs!crpmks!w
izkid!admiral!slammy@arizona.edu (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Hard-drive on a 520ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
lch3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Lauren C. Howard) writes:
> Can a hard-drive (spec. Megafile 30) be used with a stock 520ST?
> Will there be enough memory left to run WordPerfect? Timeworks DTP?
You will have almost the same amount of free memory with a hard drive as
without. The driver only takes up a few bytes. If you could run Word
Perfect and Timeworks DTP before (which I suspect you could) you can
still run them with a hard drive, only MUCH, MUCH faster.
/e
>
> Why are the Megafile 30's being sold off so cheap right now? I know
> they're discontinued; but is there anything wrong with them? Are
> they upgradeable?
>
> lch3e@holmes.acc.virginia.edu
slammy@admiral.UUCP (Dave Litchman) <uunet!areyes!admiral!slammy>
The Grid/Magpie and /Waffle BBS
(HST/V32) 203-661-1279 (PEP/V32) -2873 (V32) -0450 (V29/MNP6) -2967
Multiplayer Games, Multicolor Chat, Multibbses, Multifun!
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Date: 14 Jun 91 07:28:11 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!redmond@sei.cmu.edu (Redmond English)
Subject: Hard Disk Utilities
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for a utility that can clean up my hard disk, find lost
clusters, fix cross linked files etc.
I know that Cleanup ST from ICD can do it, but can some one give me
info on the beckermeyer stuff:
Hard Disk Sentry & Hard Disk Toolkit : What do they do ?
Do they do it well ?
Thanks in advance,
Red/.
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Date: 14 Jun 91 01:08:21 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!vivaldi.ecn.purdu
e.edu!yegerleh@arizona.edu (James D Yegerlehner)
Subject: How is Atari doing in Europe?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear ST-Netters,
I am very much interested in how Atari is fairing over in Europe.
I don't think Atari is making much of a splash over here (yet?)
with the new STEs and TTs, but can any of you guys over in Europe
say how the new machines are being received there? Is Atari
maintaining the significant market share that it once had?
Jim
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\ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner
\/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House
| `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906
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Date: 14 Jun 91 03:40:51 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!psurge@arizona.edu
(Troy Carpenter)
Subject: How is Atari doing in Europe?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun14.010821.9903@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes:
>
>Dear ST-Netters,
>
>I am very much interested in how Atari is fairing over in Europe.
>I don't think Atari is making much of a splash over here (yet?)
>with the new STEs and TTs, but can any of you guys over in Europe
>say how the new machines are being received there? Is Atari
>maintaining the significant market share that it once had?
>
>Jim
>
>--
I am not from Europe, but I just spent 3 weeks there and I can tell you an
American's perspective of the European ST market:
If any of you thought the west coast was Atari-country (flashback...Atari's
first ad campaign under the Trammiels) then you have obviously not been to
Germany. I looked at one of the 3 Atari magazines at the newsstand in the
train station of the former East Berlin and they advertised the Mega STE, the
Notepad (handwriting ST), CD ROM players, and many other Atari products that
we will probably never see in the States. Walking down the street in West
Berlin showed that Atari was in most computer stores, and I passed at least
one store with a huge neon Atari symbol in the window.
In Denmark, I talked to a CS student there who told me that the ST was a very
popular choice there in Denmark. I also saw Atari's in computer stores there.
Then, to top it all, I was watching a soccer game televised from Germany, and
there by one goal where the cameras got good shots of it was a huge "Atari
Computers" sign familiar to all of us. (Logo and all!)
In short, Atari is doing very well in Europe, as far as I could tell.
(The only Mac store I saw in my 3 week stay was in Copenhagen!)
Troy Carpenter
Department of Computer Sciences
THE University of Texas, Austin
psurge@cs.utexas.edu
"You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor
*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
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Date: 14 Jun 91 15:48:02 GMT
From: mcsun!inesc!unl!unl!spa@uunet.uu.net (Salvador Pinto Abreu)
Subject: How many MBytes would _you_ recommend?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <11003@castle.ed.ac.uk> robin@castle.ed.ac.uk (R C Smith) writes:
> marc@uni-paderborn.de (Marc Gumbold) writes:
> >I don't have the money to replace my
> >ST with a state-of-the-art ?86 AT with some Unix.
>
> I wouldn't call ?86 state-of-the-art, its just very common but I admit
> Unix would be nice..
>
> On the subject of memory buy as much as you can afford
Minix-ST with a 4Mb system is quite adequate for the kind of thing
you're mentioning. Most GNU stuff [gcc, emacs, bash...] runs nicely
in this environment.
--
-- Salvador Pinto Abreu spa@fct.unl.pt
Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL
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Date: 14 Jun 91 11:06:56 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!shamash!timb
uk!marc@arizona.edu (Marc Bouron)
Subject: ICD and mono
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun13.040550.2439@colorado.edu>, chuj@horton.colorado.edu (CHU
JEFFREY) writes:
> I just receive the cable to fix the monochrome problem which was
> vertically shifting before. WOW no more problems, NICE!!! But
> unfortunately the cable is shorter than the orginal. It took
> nearly 3 months for a replacement but worth while waiting for.
> SOOOO to all who reply 3 months ago to my help THANK YOU!!!
> My ICD 68meg and the mono is working beautifully together hopely
> forever.
>
> Thank You Again,
> Jeff
If this is the DMA noise problem you're mentioning, some of you may remember I
had this problem a while back. Thanks again to all those who spotted the
problem :-). FYI, ICD are now shipping boards with the capacitor fix built-in.
I finally have a properly-working HD! I also have a number of spare DMA cables!
[M][a][r][c]
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# +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | #
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Date: 13 Jun 91 02:46:14 GMT
From: garfield!david10@uunet.uu.net (David Churchill)
Subject: Lattice C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I just purchased a copy of Lattice C (v. 3.03.02 (c) 1986 . . . hey, for $20
CAN used, I can't complain :-)), and I have a few questions (my apologies if
all of these questions were answered recently on the net) :
1) What are the major differences (improvements) to the compiler in its latest
version (v. 5.01?)?
2) Is Metacomo still in business? If not, who is carrying the line?
3) Is an upgrade path available, and is it worth it? (at the moment, I'm just
writing small, uncomplicated programs for use on a UNIX platform. Since I can't
always get through to the system via modem, why not use the ST?)
E-mail would be preferred, unless you feel it would be more appropriate to
post.
Thanks in advance,
Dave C
--
Dave Churchill DoD #266 CS Undergrad
david10@garfield.cs.mun.ca Memorial University of Newfoundland
ar473@freenet.cleveland.edu St. John's, Nfld. Canada
"I'm always sober enough to know when I'm drunk." - Andy Capp
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Date: 14 Jun 91 07:50:07 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: Mint ? (Eric Smith to replace Bob Dobbs in character set)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Jun12.160605.24427@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu
(David M. Baggett) writes:
]In article <1991Jun12.081652.27081@cs.nott.ac.uk> dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk
(Dave Gymer) writes:
]]Once you get [Mint] running, it _is_ great! (Perhaps someone would care to
]]replace the piccy of Bob in the character set with one of Eric Smith? :-)
]
]Here, here! Don't forget that E. S. did the latest port of Nethack too!
]But I think instead we should replace the Rainbow Fuji in the TOS 1.4
]"About..." box with a "Rainbow Eric". The Bob Dobbs characters have been
]recently reserved by Atari UK for later use as box corners. :-)
](Sorry Neil, I couldn't resist!)
Well at least it could be said that Eric had contributed more to the Atari
commmunity than Dobb's did. If Eric looks like an Acid House smiley then the
characters would also have a general application.
The problem would be if one process changed the characters to Eric but another
wanted them as Bob. Can Mint cope with such a scenario? Would the character
definitions be stored with the context of each process?
>Dave Baggett
>dmb@wam.umd.edu
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! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
! !
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Date: 14 Jun 91 07:59:42 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!robin@uunet.uu.net (R C Smith)
Subject: Neo Desk 3
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <750118@hpsad.HP.COM> randyh@hpsad.HP.COM (Randy Hosler) writes:
>/ hpsad:comp.sys.atari.st / erkamp@arc.ab.ca (Bob Erkamp) / 8:28 am Jun 11,
1991 /
>In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas
Daugustine) writes:
>>
>>PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out
>>when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like
>>to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking
>>maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I
>>see in the pinout.
>>
>
>If you tie the mono-detect line to ground the ST thinks it has a mono
>monitor hooked up to it. The scan rate goes to 70Hz and all you see on
>the color monitor (actually I'm not sure about the color monitor, but on
>my TV) all I see is scrolling orange lines. In other words, it don't
>work that way. But, you may be able to hear the audio. :-)
When I asked this question
the higher frequency will burn out the coils...Needless to say I didn't
try this.
Robin
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Date: 14 Jun 91 14:14:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.a
c.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: set-up for Practical Peripherals 9600 modem?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <22357@cbmvax.commodore.com> joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara -
Product Assurance) writes:
> In article <1991Jun11.140654.11814@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun10.200056.29446@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us
(Stephen Jacobs) writes:
> >> Over the weekend, I got a Practical Peripherals V.32 V.42 V.42bis modem (at
> >> a warehouse sale: wholesale on these babies appears to be about $400).
Works
> >> just fine, thank-you on my ST so far. I remember some discussion about
flow
> >> control (or lack of it) with the ST's serial port. Modems like this were 3
> >> times as expensive back then, so I didn't save the messages. What do I
have
> >> to do? What might go wrong? How do I deal with problems? All this
> >> specifically relating to flow control and a fast modem with data
compression.
> >
> >Well from what I know, there have been a lot of Problems with RTS/CTS
> >flow control with all the Atari range, there are a few Fix programs
> >for this.
>
> The manual for the modem (I have the same one) recommends using XON/XOFF flow
> control in the modem and RTS/CTS at the computer. However, if the poster above
> is correct regarding problems with RTS/CTS with Ataris, you can turn off flow
> control in the modem and rely on XON/XOFF at the computer.
>
> --
> ==========================================================================
> Joe O'Hara || Disclaimer: I didn't say that!
> Commodore Electronics Ltd ||
> Product Assurance || "I never lie when I have sand in my shoes."
> Systems Evaluation Group || - Geordi LeForge, Star Trek TNG
> ==========================================================================
Don't do it, as you can't do Zmodem transfers with Xon/Xoff, you must
do RTS/CTS flow control.
Note: There are Fix programs for the RTS/CTS Problem..
--
*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not ***
*** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! ***
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Date: 14 Jun 91 07:22:54 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!rzsun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de!rospc1!hess@uunet.uu.net
(Hauke Hess)
Subject: there is MGR!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
I found MGR, the Manager for MiNT TOS multitasking environment. It is
at 129.217.64.63, or ftp.informatik.uni-dortmund.de.
I didn`t try it out yet, but I will during the weekend, so watch out
Hauke Hess
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