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Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 5 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 316
Today's Topics:
Atari HD hostadapters/drivers.
Color monitor replacement? (2 msgs)
Hard-drive on a 520ST?
Looking for only_ste demo on floppy
More than 4 Meg ??
My stupidity
Reading IBM and ST disks. (2 msgs)
Umich atari
USENET Mail Order
v15INF3: Unpacking binaries (and retrieving old ones)
Wanted: Hard Disk or DS Floppy
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Date: 5 Jun 91 12:52:54 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.a
delaide.edu.au!mbaker@arizona.edu (Matthew Baker)
Subject: Atari HD hostadapters/drivers.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <meulenbr.676019481@cstw163>, by meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans
Meulenbroeks):
> Ok. Since Claus is too polite to promote his own software.
A true net.gentleman!
> If you can read German, be sure to get the book and the software.
> It is definitely worth every pfennig. If you want a good
> set of disk utilities, and you do know something about disks,
> you might also get the book, just for the software.
This sounds great - Here in Oz I have nowhere to get it (I can read German
like a martian can kiss, not well, but I grok it.) - any o/seas addresses
I can write to? (Claus?)
> I think the software is very, very good. You won't really need
> the book to use the software, but it explains several things
> in some more detail. A good buy for around $ 50,-- (if you
> can find it of course).
Dare I ask, does he use english in his s/w?? :)
> Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl)
> Centre for Software Technology
Frans, I notice (gasp) that you work for Philips... I have this thing
called a PTS-6000. If the name rings a bell, can you email me?? tnx.
Matthew
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Date: 5 Jun 91 17:21:59 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!paperb
oy!osf.org!dbrooks@arizona.edu (David Brooks)
Subject: Color monitor replacement?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, my venerable 1986 Goldstar ST color monitor just became terminally
tired. My dealer wants $230 for a new one. Of course, I haven't been
paying attention: is this a fair price? Any pointers to mail order?
--
David Brooks dbrooks@osf.org
Systems Engineering, OSF uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
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Date: 5 Jun 91 18:34:33 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU!lch3e@purdue.edu
(Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: Color monitor replacement?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Definitely by all means and most assuredly buy the Magnavox 1CM135
monitor instead of the SC1224. It has 97% as good a picture; but can
also work with IBM clones (CGA), AND has a VCR input jack, so can double
as a TV (thru the vcr); a very very GOOD tv (very high resolution).
It also has the sound running off a separate RCA jack. This can be
routed to the stereo instead of the TV, greatly increasing the ST's
sound quality.
Costs about $300 (your dealer friend may be less) + a custom cable
(cable available from Redmond Cable, Redmond, WA.)
Good luck!
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Date: 5 Jun 91 18:17:58 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virg
inia.EDU!lch3e@arizona.edu (Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: Hard-drive on a 520ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Can a hard-drive (spec. Megafile 30) be used with a stock 520ST?
Will there be enough memory left to run WordPerfect? Timeworks DTP?
Why are the Megafile 30's being sold off so cheap right now? I know
they're discontinued; but is there anything wrong with them? Are
they upgradeable?
lch3e@holmes.acc.virginia.edu
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Date: 5 Jun 91 01:52:42 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!west!grapevine!water.fit.qut.edu.au@
arizona.edu (Steve Amor)
Subject: Looking for only_ste demo on floppy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I can't unpack the only_ste demo because I only have a floppy drive. Can
someone mail me a floppy with the demo already installed?
Reply to i1661471@water.fit.qut.edu.au.
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Date: 5 Jun 91 13:16:19 GMT
From: mcsun!inesc!unl!unl!spa@uunet.uu.net (Salvador Pinto Abreu)
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer) writes:
[...]
Question is, what would you do with more than 4 meg on an ST running TOS (or
MiNT). I've yet to exhaust 4 meg (even with GCC, MGR, and BASH. Emacs coming
soon... :-)
Aha! Once you start using Emacs you'll know what to do with more than
4M. Besides, it would come in handy for use with Minix.
--
-- Salvador Pinto Abreu spa@fct.unl.pt
Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL
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Date: 5 Jun 91 17:47:28 GMT
From: ucla-se!turing!plinio@locus.ucla.edu (Plinio Barbeito)
Subject: My stupidity
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <16582@helios.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
>I have a problem though. The sozobon files have directory names that
>I want to keep. If I use the novice "zoo -extract" command, all of the
>files are retrieved without pathname. I looked at the man pages and
>tried the followin command:
>
> zoo {x}[//] d:\term\download\sozobon1.zoo
I think the equivalent novice command for extracting full pathnames is
zoo -restore yourzoofile.zoo
By now, of course, you have probably figured out how to use x//...
plin
--
----- ---- --- -- ------ ---- --- -- - - - plinio@seas.ucla.edu
PAra-NOia will DEStroy-YAAaaa...
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Date: 5 Jun 91 14:32:47 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Giving C News a
*HUG*)
Subject: Reading IBM and ST disks.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
johnsonc@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
> I remember hearing that START magazine had published information on how
> to make disks formatted on the ST (?) so that they can be read on IBM
> compatibles as well as the ST. This was supposed to be done by altering
> three bytes somewhere on the disk. Do any of the readers know of this
> information?
The best solution is to get TOS 1.4 or later, or a copy of Neodesk, or a copy
of DC Format. All three will format IBM-readable disks with no problem.
There are also countless other PD utilities to make pre-1.4 ST disks
PC-readable.
Alternatively, just format the disks on the PC.
mathew
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Date: 5 Jun 91 01:53:02 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!topaz.ucq.edu.au!johnsonc@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Reading IBM and ST disks.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I remember hearing that START magazine had published information on how
to make disks formatted on the ST (?) so that they can be read on IBM
compatibles as well as the ST. This was supposed to be done by altering
three bytes somewhere on the disk. Do any of the readers know of this
information? I tried looking back through what issues I have of START but
couldn't find the info and am afraid that it is in an issue I have not
bought.
What sectors/bytes have to be changed?
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Chris Johnson : "I have made this letter long than usual
Final Year B.App.Sc (Computing) : as I lack the time to make it short."
"Just another student" : - Blaise Pascal
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Date: 5 Jun 91 18:07:51 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!nstar!sy
scon!miked@arizona.edu (Mike DeMetz)
Subject: Umich atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Anyone know what happened to atari@atari.archive.umich.edu server?
I have gotten no reponse to requests in about 2 months.
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Date: 5 Jun 91 19:38:41 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark
Choi)
Subject: USENET Mail Order
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well:
It is finished... . Reprinted below is the opening letter from my
catalogue. So as not to rankle anyone, the actual catalogue will not be
posted here, at least not by me. I hope that this letter is acceptable.
I don't see any reason for it not being so. I apologize to anyone who
gets upset though. I post it here, as I have not yet finished compiling
my mailing list yet. I have all your names, but I need to get them into
a format with which I can do a group mailing, so I do not have to send
each one out by hand. ASAP, though. If anyone else wants on, send me
e-mail, and I will sort you out from the flood and put you one the list.
Man, this is getting time consuming for a hobby! :(
Anyway, so here it is:
O.K.:
Hi out there. I just finished the damn news brief, and unlike my
original intent, it did turn out to be a catalogue. I am not one to call
a spade anything other than what it is, so, this is the Damn Catalogue.
Why that title. It took me hours (days) of boring tedious work, strained
my eyes, and almost drove me nuts. I compared prices with the ratail,
and with "real" mail order houses, to try to get you folks the best
deals I could muster. I spent eons staring at increadibly small type,
went through vials of eye drops, and I learned some things. #1.
ComputAbility has really good prices. #2. Damn, the mail order folks
have low margins! Sometimes I was not able to go lower, othertimes, I
even have to pay more than them! I do think that in general you will
find that this is a good service for you, with the lowest prices you can
get. Why else would I do it? Well, here are the specifics. Everyone
seems to want me to start this as a real business, do it full time or
something, hire staff, etc. There have been lots of calls for accepting
credit cards, shipping overseas, doing periferal stuff, like music
equipment, and other big time requests. Remember the spirit of this,
though! I am a socialist! :) I have no intention of going into the
retail business, as I find it immensly boring. This is not my job, but a
favour. I saw how dealers were dropping like flies, how there were no
more big glossy magazines in which the mailorder houses could advertise,
and generally a complete inability for many of you to get Atari stuff,
and I saw a chance to help out, with some connections I had made back
when I WAS concidering being an Atari dealer. But this is just a hobby.
I can not make the promises of the big folks, I can not provide as
timely of a response. But I WILL TRY to do my BEST. So... I am looking
into the possibility of accepting credit cards, but at the moment, it
will have to be money order, cash or personal check (I am not
responsible if you send cash of course :( ). I will see about overseas
shipping, but I will have to talk to my bank about how it would be
arranged, all that stuff about checks drawn on US funds and such, but I
think I can work it out by the end of next week, if I get the time. Now,
shipping will cost $3.00 for most software orders, regardless of
quantity. So if you buy 15 things, it's still $3.00. I would prefer it
if you did buy in groups, as the prices of many things, especially of
the games are such that I may take a loss on many single purchases with
small orders. I can do this sometimes, if there are a lot of multiple
orders. This is because I have to order a minimum amount not to be
charged an additional fee. So, if one person orders a lot, or several
folks order less, I'll be O.K.. Here's keeping my fingers crossed. On
hardware, it will depend on the weight, as I refuse to do some sorta
percentage thing, and make money on the shipping too. The only one who
will make out from the shipping is UPS, or Fed Ex (yes, I will next day
air, for a bit more!). What is this handling charge BS anyway? Shouldn't
that be included in your prices? Why profit twice, except to make your
prices seem lower? This has always irked me. Anyway, I'll have to see
about overseas shipping rates. If there is something that you want that
is not here, I can probably get it. This is by no means a comprehensive
list (what, you think I'm nuts?) and so just e-mail me if you want
something else. My real time number is (412) 422-3983 if you need to
have it. What you want me to get an 800 number too. Man you DO think I'm
crazy! (But it would be sorta cool to have my own 800 number though.
Hmmm... .) O.K., lastly, I have not gotten the new edition of my
pricelist, never mind typos, so some of these prices could be wrong. I
doubt anything will go up. If anything, they will go down. I think just
about all of it is right, though. But if something seems just too crazy,
like DEGAS Elite for 15,000.00, then drop me a line, and I'll fix it,
and give you the real price. And if someone is selling it for less, tell
me, and I'll look into it. So, with no further ado, here it is:
love ya all
-mark-
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Date: 4 Jun 91 19:43:00 GMT
From: exodus!panarthea.ebay.sun.com@sun.com (Steven Grimm)
Subject: v15INF3: Unpacking binaries (and retrieving old ones)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Submitted-by: koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven Grimm)
Posting-number: Volume 15, Info 3
Archive-name: unpack.cooked
HOW TO USE COMP.BINARIES.ATARI.ST
by Steven Grimm
Last update: June 4, 1991
_1. _W_h_a_t _a_r_e _b_i_n_a_r_i_e_s?
Binaries are files that contain information other than
normal text. Usually, a binary that is posted to the net
will contain executable (program) files. Binaries are dis-
tinct from _s_o_u_r_c_e_s, which are the human-readable text files
that are interpreted by a computer and used to produce
binaries. Sources can be modified with relatively little
effort, and are usually pretty easy to read. Binaries are
not intended to be viewed by a human.
_1._1. _U_u_e_n_c_o_d_i_n_g
The programs which transfer network news messages (and
electronic mail) are not always capable of handling a pure
binary file. They are designed to handle textual messages,
and the odd symbols and characters in a binary cause them to
become confused, and often to mangle the binaries. To avoid
this problem, a method called _u_u_e_n_c_o_d_i_n_g is used. Uuencod-
ing translates a binary file into text characters, so that
the news and mail transport programs won't mess up. The
disadvantages are that uuencoded files are about 30% bigger
than the raw binary files they represent, and that you have
to go through one extra step to get the binaries to work on
your computer.
_1._2. _A_r_c_h_i_v_e_s _o_r "_a_r_c _f_i_l_e_s"
Usually, a program will need more than one file to work
properly. The extra files might be data files, help files,
or maybe some instructions for the user. In order to easily
package multiple files together in one binary file, a pro-
gram called "arc" (short for "archiver") is used. Arc also
compresses all the files as it packages them, so that the
arcfile take up less disk space (and takes less time to
download!) than it would if its contents were just thrown
together.
To confuse matters even more, two new archive programs
called "zoo" and "lharc" can also be used to achieve the
same effect. Zoo is superior to arc in some respects,
slightly inferior in others, as is lharc. Unfortunately,
you can't unpack a zoo archive with arc or lharc, or vice
versa (arc and lharc are similarly incompatible with each
Using Binaries -2-
other.)
_1._3. _U_S_E_N_E_T _a_r_t_i_c_l_e_s
The USENET has groups designed especially for transmis-
sion of binary files. They are usually called something
like "comp.binaries.x," where x is the type of machine that
the programs will run on. For Atari ST owners, the group to
watch is comp.binaries.atari.st. Most of the binaries
groups (including the Atari binaries group) are _m_o_d_e_r_a_t_e_d,
which means that you can't send a program directly to every-
one on the network. Instead, you send it to someone in
charge of the group (the _m_o_d_e_r_a_t_o_r), who makes sure that
your program works and contains the proper documentation (or
that the lack of documentation is announced), and that it's
in the correct format to be sent out to the rest of the
USENET.
One of the restrictions of the USENET is that articles
can only be a certain length. If a binary is longer than
that, it must be split up into several parts, each no longer
than 45000 bytes or so. This introduces yet another obsta-
cle to people who want to transform the articles into a use-
ful form, but it can't really be helped until the USENET
starts running much more advanced news transmission
software. Also, some particularly long programs may be
posted over the course of several days; otherwise the net
would be overloaded with lots of huge messages, and people
would complain.
USENET binaries are grouped into _v_o_l_u_m_e_s, each contain-
ing about 100 articles. This is to make life easier for
people who are trying to keep track of which articles have
been posted. When a new volume is started, the moderator
will usually post introductory articles, including a list of
previously published articles.
_2. _H_o_w _d_o _I _g_e_t _b_i_n_a_r_i_e_s?
There are two ways to get binaries: first, by reading
the USENET newsgroup comp.binaries.atari.st; you will see
new articles within a week (usually much less) of the time
they were sent out by the moderator. If, for some reason,
your site doesn't receive comp.binaries.atari.st, or if you
want to look through previously posted articles, site
twitterpater.eng.sun.com has all the binaries stored in its
archives.
The other way to get binaries is to request them from
twitterpater's archive server. The archive server is a pro-
gram that intercepts incoming mail messages and looks for
commands inside them. You can tell it to list the available
binaries, give you help, or send whichever files you're
interested in. The requested files will be mailed to you.
Using Binaries -3-
One thing to be careful of is that multi-part postings
aren't placed in the archives until all their parts have
been sent out to the USENET at large. This is to prevent
people from requesting all 99 parts of a program the first
day it appears, thus overloading the net and defeating the
purpose of piece-by-piece posting.
To find out more about the archive server, send a mail
message containing the word "help" to archive-
server@twitterpater.eng.sun.com. Talk to an administrator
at your site if that mail address doesn't work. If you
don't get any response from the archive server within a few
days, something may be wrong; mail archive-
manager@twitterpater.eng.sun.com to report the problem.
There are other archive sites, too, such as
terminator.cc.umich.edu; they contain most of the
comp.binaries.atari.st software as well as some additional
programs that have not appeared on the newsgroup. Some
sites, such as terminator, also offer something called
"anonymous ftp" if you're on the Internet. Say "ftp
terminator.cc.umich.edu", and if you connect, use
"anonymous" for a username, and your username for a pass-
word. See the ftp documentation at your site for more
information. A recent, but possibly incorrect, list of
alternate archive sites appears at the end of this article.
Please send me mail if you know of any that aren't mentioned
here, or if my list is incorrect. Note that twitterpater
does not offer anonymous ftp, as it's on a network that's
segregated from the Internet.
Twitterpater also offers an "auto-index" service, for
people who don't have access to the USENET groups. If you
request autoindex service, you will receive copies of the
archive-server's index files for the binaries and sources
groups whenever new files are added. Note that if your site
gets comp.binaries.atari.st, requesting autoindex is point-
less and a waste of net bandwidth. Send mail to autoindex-
request@twitterpater.eng.sun.com if you'd like to sign up.
_3. _H_o_w _d_o _I _d_e_c_o_d_e _t_h_e
_b_i_n_a_r_i_e_s?
As stated above, turning binaries from USENET articles
into a more useful form can be a multi-step process. At the
least, you will need the uudecode program; it is standard
software on most UNIX|- systems and is available in a couple
of forms on the Atari. Versions for other operating systems
do exist, and can certainly be written with little effort.
Arc is available for UNIX and other operating systems, but
is not standard software. In any case, you will want at
least arc on your Atari.
_________________________
|- UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories.
Using Binaries -4-
A version of uudecode written in ST BASIC is available
in twitterpater's archives (see above). It is in volume 1
of the comp.sources.atari.st directory (note that that's
_s_o_u_r_c_e_s and not binaries). Once you have that, you should
get the files "arc," "arcdoc," and "uucode" from volume 1 of
the binaries directory. They contain the arc program men-
tioned earlier, its documentation, and a much better, faster
version of the uudecode program.
Use the BASIC program to uudecode the two encoded
files; then use arc to unpack the better version of
uudecode. (Arc is documented in "arcdoc.") Note that if
you're reading news/receiving mail on a computer (such as a
UNIX system) that already has uudecode, you can skip most of
this; you will probably just want to uudecode arc there,
then download it (using kermit, xmodem, or your favorite
transfer protocol - consult your site's administrator and
your Atari communication package's documentation for more
information. Remember to use binary mode when downloading
arc files!)
So far, everything has been small enough to fit in one
piece, but you will almost certainly want to try something
larger eventually. The Atari "uud" program (whose source
code, also suitable for compilation on UNIX systems, is
available in the sources archive) is capable of easily
decoding multi-part uuencoded files. Near the top of each
part (except the first) will be a line like
begin part c foobar.uac
Rename each file (except part 1, which can be named
"part01" or just about anything else) to the name at the end
of this "begin" line, in this case "foobar.uac". Then run
uud on the file containing part 1; it contains instructions
to cause uud to look for the other parts. If you have a
text editor or a UNIX style cat program, you can just stick
all the parts together in order and run uud on the resulting
(big) file; it will try to go on in the first file if it
can't find the next part in a separate file. Note that uud
won't warn you if it's overwriting an existing file, so
don't give any of the parts the same name as the file that's
being extracted from them!
On UNIX systems, you can also say (for instance) "cat
part* | uud -" without renaming anything.
If you don't have uud or would prefer to decode your
binaries on your larger news computer, the procedure is
somewhat more complex. Plain vanilla uudecode doesn't know
about multi-part uuencoded files, so you have to fool it
into thinking that everything is in one part. First, stick
all the parts together (using cat on UNIX). Edit the
Using Binaries -5-
resulting file. Now remove all the extraneous lines of text
in between the parts -- this includes mail headers, any
text, lines of the form "include foobar.uad," "table" lines
and the lists of characters following them, and "begin"
lines other than the one at the beginning of part 1. Once
you have converted all the parts into a big uuencoded mass
(with no blank lines!), the regular uudecode program will
work.
Obviously, this is something of a hassle, and the
recommended procedure is to try to install uud on your large
computer. You'll usually want to minimize the amount of
data you have to send to your Atari, since you'll most
likely be downloading it at a relatively low speed, and the
uudecoded .arc file is the smallest thing you can download.
Zoo is available from the archives. It is simple to
use; refer to the documentation included in zoobin.arc (yes,
you need to use arc to extract zoo!) for more information.
The uudecoding process is the same for zoo and arc files.
Lharc is also available.
Most archives contain documentation; refer to the
instructions in a specific program for usage information and
the like. If you have problems with a particular program,
send mail to the submitter (listed near the top of each
part.) The moderator doesn't have time to become very fami-
liar with all the programs that are posted, so the submitter
will probably be much more helpful.
_4. _L_i_s_t _o_f _a_r_c_h_i_v_e _s_i_t_e_s
Note: I have not verified these, so this list may be
wrong. Mail servers usually respond to the word "help"
alone in a mail message. Some of the sites listed below may
not contain full archives of comp.binaries.atari.st, and
some may have other files.
Address Type Comments
D'l |1752u 0'
wuarchive.wustl.edu ftp,nfs
ux.acss.umn.edu ftp TeX, GNU
atari.archive.umich.edu ftp Mail server may also exist
him1.cc.umich.edu ftp cd to pc7: directory
dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu ftp GNU and Minix archives also
xanth.cs.odu.edu ftp
slug.pws.bull.com ftp comp.sources.atari.st only
archive-server@
twitterpater.eng.sun.com mail Official archives
archive@softvax.radc.af.mil mail
unido!archive-server mail European archives
st_requests@
n6vbg.hamavnet.com mail Dialup access at (714) 989-4276
marks%mgse@rex.cs.tulane.edu uucp Ask your site administrator
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Date: 5 Jun 91 17:41:21 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu
!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet@arizona.edu (Christian Kurrer)
Subject: Wanted: Hard Disk or DS Floppy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I would like to buy a
-Hard disk drive or an
-external DS Floppy disk drive
for the Atari ST.
Any offers, also for other peripherals and software (no games), would be
welcome.
Christian Kurrer
217-244-6914 (w)
217-332-2788 (h)
kurrer@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
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