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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 194
Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 5 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 194
Today's Topics:
Atari 1040ST System For SAle (2 msgs)
Atari Mega ST2 System For Sale
Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking...
HELP! wanted read C64 disks on Atari
Host adapters and STE docs
MAC-Roms, roms,roms...
Megafile 44 cartridges
RUFUS problem - it won't run!
SIDELINE SOFTWARE
Telecom program help needed
union demo 2 (2 msgs)
Wanted: LOGO/Backgammon
WD 1772 IC....
Whatabout 68030 accelerator? (2 msgs)
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Date: 2 Apr 91 03:49:23 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!uupsi!cci632!ritcsh!ultb!rcc9885@arizona.edu
(R.C. Costello)
Subject: Atari 1040ST System For SAle
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari 1040ST System For Sale
============================
o Atari 1040ST Computer
(1 Meg RAM, TOS 1.4, Serial Port, Printer Port, MIDI In/Out,
Cartridge Port, Joystick/Mouse Ports, Monitor Port, Built-in
3.5" 720K disk drive, mouse)
o Atari SM124 Monochrome Monitor
o BMS 200 SCSI Host Adaptor
o Adaptek 4000A Hard Drive Controller
o Seagate ST225 20 Meg Drive
o PC Power Supply
o All cables and power supplies
Software
--------
o Pinball Wizard (Accolade)
o 10th Frame (Access)
o Smoothtalker (FirstByte)
o Publishing Partner (SoftLogik)
o Thrill Time (a package of 8 games on 6 disks -- Battleships, Beyond the Ice
Palace, Buggy Boy, Thundercats, Bombjack, Space Harrier,
Live & Let Die, and Ikari Warriors)
o Various magazine Disks (including STart & Compute)
o ST-Term
o Leader Board Golf (Access)
o K-Resource (Kuma)
o OmniRes
o Hole in One Golf (Artworx)
o WordUp version 2.0 (Neocept)
o Gribnif Utility Disk (Gribnif)
o A&D Universal Item Selector III
o 1st Word
o Ultima II
o Turbo ST (Softrek)
o Interlink ST (Intersect)
o MaxiFile (CodeHead Software)
o Codehead Utilities (Codehead)
o Dungeon Master (FTL)
o Chaos Strikes Back --DM II (FTL)
o over 100 disks of PD/Shareware software, and disk cases
I am selling the above system for $800 and will pay shipping in the U.S.
Robert Costello, (203) 446-8432 (evenings)
(203) 289-1209 (days)
Internet: rcc9885@ultb.isc.rit.edu
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Date: 5 Apr 91 21:00:42 GMT
From: ucdavis!csusac!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Atari 1040ST System For SAle
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr2.034923.429@isc.rit.edu> rcc9885@ultb.rit.edu (R.C.
Costello) writes:
>
>Software
>--------
> ....
>o Gribnif Utility Disk (Gribnif)
What is this? Certainly not NeoDesk. I didn't know Gribnif commercially
published anything but NeoDesk and NeoCLI.
--
Ed Krimen ...............................................
||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661
/ | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
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Date: 2 Apr 91 03:47:33 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!cci632
!ritcsh!ultb!rcc9885@arizona.edu (R.C. Costello)
Subject: Atari Mega ST2 System For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Atari Mega ST2 System For Sale
==============================
o Atari Mega ST2 Computer
(2 Megs RAM, TOS 1.4, Serial Port, Parallel Port, MIDI In/Out,
Joystick/Mouse Ports, Cartridge Port, Monitor Port, detached keyboard,
Mouse, built-in 3.5" 720K Drive, built-in clock, built-in fan)
o Atari SC1224 Color Monitor
o ICD Host Adapter
o Seagate ST225N 20 Meg SCSI-imbedded drive
o PC Power Supply
o Star NX-10 Dot Matrix Printer
o All cables & power supplies
Software
--------
o Flash! (term program)
o Dungeon Master
o Laser C
o Laser DB
o Leisure Suit Larry II
o Elite
o King's Quest I
o Leather Goddesses of Phobos
o GFA Basic 3.0
o Various Compute! and ST-Log disks
I am selling everything above for $1,200. Everything is in excellent
condition, and I will pay shipping in the U.S.
Robert Costello, (203) 446-8432 (evenings)
(203) 289-1209 (days)
Internet: rcc9885@ultb.isc.rit.edu
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Date: 5 Apr 91 14:48:11 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com
!paperboy!hsdndev!bunny!seb3@arizona.edu (d2eve Belczyk)
Subject: Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <KENTD.91Apr4102750@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com
(Kent.Dalton) writes:
>2. Convert to Spectrum 512 format using GIFSPC (<-- available at an
> archive near you)
Just a reminder: I'm more than happy to email GIFSPC (and IFFSPC) to
anyone without ready FTP access.
Steve Belczyk seb3@gte.com
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Date: 5 Apr 91 09:34:03 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!snorkelwack
er.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!diku!bombman@arizona.edu
(Hans-Henrik St
Subject: HELP! wanted read C64 disks on Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am posting for a friend who was wondering if it is possible to
read files from a C64-format disk. If it is, is there a PD
utility for this and where can i get it ?
If you are so kind to help me, please send me E-mail:
bombman@freja.diku.dk
Many thanks in advance.... Hans Henrik Staerfeldt.
--
____________________________________________________________
DK_ | | Bombman the mad bomber |
// .|
/-| |__| Hans Henrik Staerfeldt |
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:31:26 EST
From: mfitz@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Subject: Host adapters and STE docs
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I recently bought a new STe, and the first problem I've run into is
this: Where the zark can I find some info on programming all of the
new "features" (Audio DMAs, joystick ports, etc.) that were supposed
to make the STe such an improvement over the STfm? My "local" dealer
just throws up his hands in unenlightenment.
I'm going to keep the old STfm setup for a BBS, so I need another
fixed-disk. My current FD uses the Berkeley Microsystems' host
adapter, but I am curious about the other guys. Anybody out there
know about the differences between the BMS and ICD adapters?
==========================================
Mike Fitz mfitz@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
==========================================
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Date: 5 Apr 91 07:41:56 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!su
nic!mcsun!hp4nl!philapd!idcapd!wilko@arizona.edu (W.C. Bulte)
Subject: MAC-Roms, roms,roms...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <12736@hydra.Helsinki.FI> luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) writes:
>
>What are they ??? the bios on rom ??
Sort of, they contain the 'Toolkit' which make the Mac tick..
>-what are they exactly (numbers etc...) so. what would I ask when going
shopping ?
>-are there differend versions, if so what's the newest / one for GCR 3.0 ???
I haven't got the numbers handy, but note: there are 64Kbyte and 128kbyte
versions. You need the 128K versions for Spectre 3.0. The Spectre manual states
the Apple part numbers.
>-anythin else I should know ???
If all else fails: I have seen Spectre's using EPROM copies. This is illegal
of course!!! But I guess we haven't seen the end of this piracy, because Apple
is becoming more and more fussy on their ROM sets.
Hope this helps.
_ __________________________________________________________________________
| / o / / _ Wilko Bulte Domain: wilko@idca.tds.philips.nl
|/|/ / / /( (_) uucp : [mcsun,hp4nl]!philapd!wilko
* Philips Information Systems Nederland phone: +31 55-432372 fax: +31 55-432103
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'" Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back
________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: 5 Apr 91 19:09:53 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!wats
erv1!watmath!daroloso@arizona.edu (Dani A. Roloson)
Subject: Megafile 44 cartridges
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know of a better deal than $75(US) each?
(L&Y - March Current Notes)
Has anyone had good/bad experiences with L&Y ?
Are the cheaper prices because of non-Atari brand name cartridges?
Are they poorer quality?
Enquiring minds want to know 8-)
Dani Roloson
KWEST
Kitchener-Waterloo Eight Sixteen Thirty-two Atari User Group
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Date: 5 Apr 91 17:02:18 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu
!menudo.uh.edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: RUFUS problem - it won't run!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca (MiG - Miguel Borges) boldy writes in article
<1991Apr4.181717.20318@garfield.cs.mun.ca>
>I ftp'ed RUFUS.TOS from the atari.archive. I ran the self-extracting archive,
>and then booted up the disk. The GDOS-clone was in the auto folder, and
>the fonts were in the GEMSYS folder, just like the archiver left them.
>I ran RUFUS.PRG, but all I got was an alert box, saying something like
>"GDOS falhure - Ungultiges Handle" I assume it's german. Anybody know
>how to get this working? Are there english docs available?
>
>--
>C. Miguel Borges |"Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination... |||
>carlos@odie.cs.mun.ca|Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged |||
>an630@po.cwru.edu |in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and / | \
>ad040@yfn.ysu.edu |constellations of data. Like city lights, receding..."
Put the GDOS file in the autofolder. Put everything else in the root.
Then reboot. It worked when I did that. I used a new disk, copied the
stuff over from my ramdisk, rebooted and then clicked on rufus. Nice
program. I wonder how it would act at 9600 bd. Text routines don't
seem to be the most efficient....
--
Paul Sears The Univ. of Houston |"The greater an individual's power
Student of the College of Technology | over others, the greater the evil that
RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu *** | might possibly originate with him."
RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD)
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Date: 5 Apr 91 19:53:36 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflorida!cs
.fau.edu!mikal@arizona.edu (Michael brown)
Subject: SIDELINE SOFTWARE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>jcksnst@nmt.edu (Admiral JC) had some questions about
Sideline Software of Ft Lauderdale FL and there great prices.
Others contributed there experiences with the company.
Here are mine:
Im at Florida Atlantic in Boca Raton. On my way home I went
looking for Sideline. I was a bit suspesious as they were
listed in the white pages but not the yellow pages. After
about a half-hour I found them. They told me they did no
sales there (only mail-order), but were part of a computer
store nearby called Computer Room. I did see that they had
a good stock of software, but was not allowed in. I figured
if they were part of a store, I could get the same prices
at the store. I was wrong. At Computer Room the prices
offered where the same at any store. Even the stuff with
the great prices at Sideline where $20-30 more at the
Room.
Sideline does exist. How they can offer such good prices
I do not know.
mikal.bbs@shark.cs.fau.edu (Michael Brown)
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Date: 4 Apr 91 13:12:38 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!opal!unido!horga!nathan!ue@uunet.uu.net (Udo Erdelhoff)
Subject: Telecom program help needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr3.220529.1164@menudo.uh.edu> rcte2p@menudo.uh.edu
(Paul S. Sears) writes:
> compatible emulators out. I do like being able to change fonts in
> Rufus. However, I don't know any German so I am lost on its features.
Hi,
you can't use Rufus without GDOS. Just put GDOS in your auto-folder, create
an appropiate ASSIGN.SYS-file and get the fonts. They should be found within
the Rufus package.
/s/
--
Udo Erdelhoff smart: ue@nathan.ruhr.de
Am Westheck 170 Fido: Udo Erdelhoff on 2:245/52.1
W-4600 Dortmund 12 (FRG) Maus: Udo Erdelhoff @ DO
Please keep your replies short - I have to pay for recieving mail
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Date: 5 Apr 91 08:23:47 GMT
From: ucdavis!csusac!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: union demo 2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
- Lotsa questions about various "demos" for the ST..
-
- These demos are great, but.. is anyone involved in creating the
- demos also involved in creating anything useful..?
No.
- If you bother to wait through all the text on most of these demos,
- they all seem to be self-congratulatory messages between various
- software pirating groups...
And there's something wrong with that? Maybe they should
congratulate one person. Maybe they should congratulate, maybe --
just maybe, Bob Retelle? Nah. It would read, "Greetings to Bob
Retelle. Scr*w everyone else," or something like that, as they do.
- We've got a wonderful body of "demos" to run on our computers, but
- do they equate into anything "real"..?
I don't know about you, but I bought my STe just to see the CoolSTe
demo by An Cool. When I'm not reading Usenet, CoolSTe is always
playing. I can't get enough of Janet Jackson's 'Rhythm Nation,' nor
of Mickey Mouse bouncing around among 4096 colors.
Okay, sarcasm mode off. Actually, some of the groups create games
for the ST. Is that useful enough? :~D They also make file packers.
Then there's TCB (The Carebears) Tracker, Soundtracker module
creator. I'm sure there's other stuff that we don't see here in the
States.
But I agree with you, too bad we don't see more productivity products
from them. I think they could write some very nice stuff.
--
Ed Krimen ...............................................
||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661
/ | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
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Date: 5 Apr 91 20:26:00 GMT
From: haven!wam.umd.edu!dmb@purdue.edu (David M. Baggett)
Subject: union demo 2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr05.082347.2154@ecst.csuchico.edu> ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu
(Ed Krimen) writes:
>Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>- Lotsa questions about various "demos" for the ST..
>-
>- These demos are great, but.. is anyone involved in creating the
>- demos also involved in creating anything useful..?
>
>No.
Now Ed, let's not bash these demo writers too much. :-) While in
general it seems that many of these demo authors are egomaniacs who
don't follow guidelines, there are some of them that write "useful"
stuff. (That is, if you consider games useful.) At least, I know the
game Enchanted Lands was written by some former demo hackers. This
shows in the game itself -- the scrolling is smooth and full-screen,
and the music is good. Not my favorite game, but techincally quite
impressive.
I'm sure demo authors write other things too. (I realize you were
being a bit sarcastic.)
>- If you bother to wait through all the text on most of these demos,
>- they all seem to be self-congratulatory messages between various
>- software pirating groups...
>
>And there's something wrong with that? Maybe they should
>congratulate one person. Maybe they should congratulate, maybe --
>just maybe, Bob Retelle? Nah. It would read, "Greetings to Bob
>Retelle. Scr*w everyone else," or something like that, as they do.
I agree with Bob. I think it's pretty tasteless to put cheesey
messages to one's friends in demos, and besides that, it limits the
usefulness of the demo. One purpose of demos is to show off the
computer. I remember the "walking robot" demo from Atari 8-bit days --
I bet that sold a few machines. But no store owner is going to put a
demo up that says, "Howdee to all crackurs out there" or some similar
garbage. Correctly spelled messages might be nice occasionally, too. :-)
>- We've got a wonderful body of "demos" to run on our computers, but
>- do they equate into anything "real"..?
>
>I don't know about you, but I bought my STe just to see the CoolSTe
>demo by An Cool. When I'm not reading Usenet, CoolSTe is always
>playing. I can't get enough of Janet Jackson's 'Rhythm Nation,' nor
>of Mickey Mouse bouncing around among 4096 colors.
I know I've already bantered about this before, but I think demos often
miselad non-programmers as to what the capabilities of their machine
actually are. You can do a heck of a lot more in a demo than you
can in general-purpose code.
The recent thread on flicker palettes provides an example: Suppose
I come up with two palettes in which 32 combinations blend with no
flicker at all. Then I can write a demo that puts 32 colors on the
screen at once with no flicker (of course, putting a note at the bottom
of the screen saying, "By the way all u crakers and hakkurs, count the
colurs on the screen HA HA wunder how i did that?")
That doesn't mean that anyone could use my 32-color "screen mode"
for _anything useful_. You couldn't write a paint program to
take advantage of it. (Well, maybe.) In any case techniques
like these often break down when you try to make them general-purpose.
>But I agree with you, too bad we don't see more productivity products
>from them. I think they could write some very nice stuff.
To be honest, I'm not so sure that's true. I don't mean to be
critical here, but many of the demos I've seen
1) simply crash when run from a hard drive
2) take over the entire system
3) provide no way to exit the program, probably because they
trash the OS in horrible ways
4) are usually weird and unpolished in their operation
5) rely on all sorts of undocumented and unsupported
hardware "features", e.g., shifter bugs, instruction
timings, etc.
It's as though the authors only spend much time on the "nifty hack"
parts of the demos -- the routine that puts 522 colors on the screen or
whatever, and then just do a half-baked job on the rest. It doesn't
take much work to make a well-behaved program, but it requires a kind
of discipline I guess.
You can't release a productivity program with any of the above 5
problems unless you want bad sales. Games, on the other hand, are
pretty much like demos in that you don't have to follow as many rules.
Dave Baggett
dmb%wam.umd.edu@uunet.uu.net
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Date: 5 Apr 91 09:47:47 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.
nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!rea
ding!news@arizona.edu (Andrew Pollard)
Subject: Wanted: LOGO/Backgammon
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello World,
I am looking for the Atari Version of LOGO. I think that it is PD, but I
can't seem to find it anywhere (Haven't really looked that hard). Does anyone
out there know where it is/if it is PD? I need it for a programming project.
Does anyone know where I can get a graphical version of the Backgammon
game for the ST?
Please mail me relpies, as our news reader is very flakey and most messages
are junked....
Thanks, Andrew
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| Andrew Pollard | JANET adp@uk.ac.rdg.cs.csug |
| Dept of Computer Science | BITNET adp%csug.cs.rdg.ac.uk@UKACRL |
| Reading, RG6 2AX | INTERNET adp%csug.cs.rdg.uk.ac@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk |
| England. | |
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Date: 5 Apr 91 19:47:57 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hp-col!col!davea@arizona.edu
(David E Allen)
Subject: WD 1772 IC....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher Russell) / 6:12 pm Apr 3, 1991 /
> All of the floppy controller IC's that JDR had are almost
> exclusively under $10 and the 1771 is $5.. Almost all of these IC's are
> 40 pin and I am sure more sophisticated than the 1772 ...
> I call up B&C and San Jose Computer, and sure they have it but at $25 (!!)
If it's pins you want, stock up on 6800's and 8080's. The 1772 is more
"sophisticated" than a lot of the 40-pin FDC's you'll find. I don't know if
$25 is the best price, but don't let the smaller pincount fool you.
dave allen, colorado springs
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Date: 5 Apr 91 12:09:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!h
agbard!lunic!my!luth!d90-ngp@arizona.edu (Niklas Grip)
Subject: Whatabout 68030 accelerator?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In ST World Issue 51 (May 1990) page four there was a small note about
hyperCACHE-030 but since then I have never heard of it. I've also
read some note somewhere about the 68030 from Gadgets by Small.
Is this products that will come "some time in the future", or are they already
for sale somewhere? Do they work with all ST's and at what speed?
Any compatibility problems? Price?
_______________________________________________________________________________
| | |
| Niklas Grip | Phone: 0920-26228 (international: +46 920 26228) |
| University of Luleaa | Vallstensgatan7 | Internet: d90-ngp@sm.luth.se |
| SWEDEN | S-951 55 Luleaa | Bitnet : d90-ngp%sm.luth.se@sekth |
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Date: 5 Apr 91 20:10:35 GMT
From: ccncsu!lamar!sytang@purdue.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: Whatabout 68030 accelerator?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The 030 card by Mr. Small is named SST by Mr. Small in their last newsletter,
and there are articles written by Mr. Small in Current Note about it. In the
newsletter he was planning for THIS MONTH availiblity of SST. But have not
hear any formal announcement yet.
Tang
sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 91 10:38:37 CST
From: "Donald J. De Smet" <DDESMET@UA1VM.ua.edu>
To: Info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Help please with ethernet, also archive of archives
We need to hook an atari to an ethernet, so
can anyone tell me the current status of hooking a 1040st
or a mega to ethernet? Is there a commercial box available that
accepts an ehternet card? Is there commercial software that allows
ftp, telnet, and/or mail? Is there anything equivalent to ncsa
telnet that will run on an atari? Any help will be greatly
appreciated.
----------------------
On a different topic, do you folks all know about
the archive of archives? Try---
telnet quiche.cs.mcgill.ca (132.206.2.3)
at the logon prompt type archie
(lower case!)
follow directions.
D. De
DDESMET at UA1VM (BITNET)
ddesmet@ua1vm.ua.edu
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