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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 229
Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 24 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 229
Today's Topics:
Atari.archive Monthly Posting
Atari Portfolio users!
Atari Questions... (2 msgs)
Can anyone suggest a 3D CAD package ? (2 msgs)
C Compiler, C++ Compiler
Corona LP300 lasar printer
game question
ICD AdSpeed
Info on Ultimate Ripper
KAOS TOS 1.4
MIDI software
Okami Shell - NOT with VI, NO ARGV/xARG support!
On Buying A TT
PC-DITTO II $145 or Trade???
Printer Fonts (was Re: ASSIGN.SYS for OPUS spreadsheet/Charting program)
ST GEM-based Word Processors
TEAC 2.88MB SCSI floppy
Weird TT hard disk thingy (2 msgs)
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Date: 24 Apr 91 13:44:49 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@ar
izona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Atari.archive Monthly Posting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Welcome to atari.archive.umich.edu
This is the monthly posting from the umich atari posse. We hope
it will answer some of those nagging questions that always seem to pop up
from time to time. If you have any additional suggestions, please mail
them to me, at weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu.
1: How do I use BART?
Now that BART is back on-line again, you can get bart help by mailing
atari@atari.archive.umich.edu and include the word 'help' in the body of
the message. This doesn't mean you have to send mail Jon or I.
2: How can I connect via FTP?
If you are interested in ftp, I recently wrote a beginner's guide. Please
mail me and I will send you a copy. I'll post it every once in a while too.
3: What if my machine doesn't support name service?
Two things to do here:1) Demand that your sys-admin install it soon,
and 2) use the internet address 141.211.164.8
4: I can't download because my hard drive doesn't work and my modem goes
out sometimes and .....HELP!!!
Sorry, outside of the archive I really can't help you....Your best bet is
to find someone at your site with a similar set-up, or post to c.s.a.st
for advice.
5: HEY! Your index is much better than it used to be!!!
HEY! I know! We've added text descriptions and a whole lot more! To top
that off, the index will now be updated instantaneously. No more waiting
for me to get off my butt and do it.... If you have noticed any errors,
or have any suggestions or descriptions of files
please mail them to me!!
6: When I try to FTP to the archive's host, I get a message saying that my
machine wasn't recognized and I wasn't allowed to log in. What's up?
We only accept ftp logins from recognized hosts. If you are not allowed
to log in, please try again. It is possible that the DNS took a bit too
long. If you are still denied access, ask your sys-admin to fix your
name servers.
7: Ok, the index is better, but I can't find a thing in
What's up there?
I'm in the process of reorganizing this directory. It just got a
bit too big and out of control to be really useful. I should be done
with it by the end of the century.
8: Here's a question for you Jeff, how come I can't use 'ftp terminator.cc.etc'
any more to connect?
That's because you're not using atari.archive.umich.edu like we told you
to. In the near future, terminator.cc.umich.edu will change it's name.
Don't say we didn't warn you.......
There are a few files you'll really like to have:
archivers/arc602.arc : The latest version of arc
archivers/zoo.arc : The classic archive program
archivers/compress.zoo : Useful for removing .Z from sounds and binaries
archivers/unlzh11.arc : Unpacks .lzh files
archivers/sttar.arc : Removes those nasty .tar extenders
THEY ARE CONTAINED IN THE SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE starter.tos!!! PLEASE USE IT!
Thanks to everyone who has uploaded anything lately.....
Two things to note this month:
1) We just got a whole bunch of new gnustuff from Jwahar Bammi.
Speed Reader from the Great Space Coaster says, "Check it out!"
2) Scott Wood, our man with the portfolio, says, "YES! We are accepting
portfolio uploads. YES! I have spent tons of cash trying to get
stuff from GEnie." Please upload some stuff, portfolio users, and
then drop Scoot a line at swood@atari.archive.umich.edu
BART PROBLEMS:
Common Error for the month of April: BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR SPELLING!!!
The Umich Atari Posse says, " See you all in Windsor on May 4-5"
PLEASE NOTE: FTP service is a privelege, not a right! Please make
a supreme effort to keep heavy FTP use in off-time hours (i.e. after
5 pm EST but before 8 am EST).
Any ideas, questions, comments, etc. to me,
weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu
--
Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu
Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like to be the pope
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"
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Date: 24 Apr 91 12:21:28 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!unido!rwthinf!cip-s08!wolfram@uunet.uu.net
(Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: Atari Portfolio users!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>Well, anyways, if you are a Portfolio usr, please leave me e-mail
I am.
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Date: 24 Apr 91 12:31:13 GMT
From: gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Atari Questions...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr23.191714.9275@umiami.ir.miami.edu>,
dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>
> I have three questions regarding Atari's recent machine releases...
>
> 1. Why is the TT being shipped with the old MEGA keybooard?
>
> 2
Hmmm, the TT I saw yesterday had a new keyboard, with rectangular function
keys. Are you sure you saw one with the old Mega keyboard? Personally,
I think the Mega keyboard is nicer, as the new TT one I played with had a
"bubble switch" feel to it, similar to extremely cheap PC keyboards.
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 24 Apr 91 21:19:59 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!r
pi!uupsi!@arizona.edu (Erling Henanger)
Subject: Atari Questions...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> 1. Why is the TT being shipped with the old MEGA keybooard?
My TT came with the new style keyboard. Where were you told they are shipped
with the old
MEGA keyboard ?
The keyboards are compatible, if that's what you asking, and thus it should be
able to upgrade
to the new style keyboards.
Anyway, I think the Mega-keyboard is very good, so I don't see the point in
exchanging it.
(That said, the new keyboards aren't any worse, theyre just 'different', and
anything new
takes a little time to getting used to...)
--
_______ _____ o ____ Erling Henanger
/___ /____/ / / /| / / Norwegian Institute
/ /\ / / / | / | ___ of Technology. (NTH)
------ / \ /____ / / |/ \____| o Atari Lives !
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Date: 25 Apr 91 01:54:45 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!vivaldi.e
cn.purdue.edu!yegerleh@arizona.edu (James D Yegerlehner)
Subject: Can anyone suggest a 3D CAD package ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear Netters,
Does anyone know if any of the CAD packages other than Dynacad
allow 3D drawings? How about Drafix? I also want to be able to
do 2D detailed mechanical drawings, so something like the Cyber
stuff is out, because as I understand it, it is mostly for
solid modelling and not drafting. Dynacadd would be nice, but
it's a bit pricey.
Thanks for the help,
Jim
(yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu)
--
__ __ | |
\ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner
\/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House
| `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906
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Date: 25 Apr 91 02:00:25 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!@arizona.edu
(James D Yegerlehner)
Subject: Can anyone suggest a 3D CAD package ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Dear Netters,
Does anyone know if any of the CAD packages other than Dynacad
allow 3D drawings? How about Drafix? I also want to be able to
do 2D detailed mechanical drawings, so something like the Cyber
stuff is out, because as I understand it, it is mostly for
solid modelling and not drafting. Dynacadd would be nice, but
it's a bit pricey.
Auch ist es mir kein grosses Problem, wenn das Dokumentation
auf Deutsch ist, weil ich Deutsch ziemlich gut lesen kann (translation:
German docs are OK too).
Thanks for the help,
Jim
(yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu)
--
__ __ | |
\ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner
\/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House
| `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906
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Date: 24 Apr 91 19:11:40 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.t
oronto.edu!utgpu!cunews!newbridge.com!davef@arizona.edu (Dave Fowler)
Subject: C Compiler, C++ Compiler
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am looking for recommendations for a C compiler and a C++ compiler
for the 1040 ST. Price is not REALLY important if the software
is good quality. My only limitation is the store here in Ottawa
that sells Atari stuff is kind of small, so I guess well known
software makers would be best. Please e-mail me.
Thanks in advance,
Dave
--
The owls are not what they seem.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Fowler Voice: (613)591-3600 x3538 P.O. Box 13600
Newbridge Networks FAX: (613)591-3680 600 March Road
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Date: 24 Apr 91 14:51:13 GMT
From: bbn.com!aking@cs.rochester.edu (Allen King)
Subject: Corona LP300 lasar printer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've inherited a Corona Data Systems LP300 (lbp_cx) lasar printer.
Does anybody know if it will connect to a serial or parallel port of
an ST or TT, and if I will need special drivers for it. I'd like to
get it going in Epson emulation mode for starters. It's got a DB-37
connector on it. Is it perchance RS-422?
Apparently Corona was bought out by CoreData (or KoreData?).
Anybody know of them, perchance an address or phone number?
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 21:12
From: "Grupp , Andreas"
<JG05%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: game question
To: Atari ST Info Liste <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Hello, I know that this belongs not to this list but
I can't ask anywhere else. Does anybody know the name of
Roy Roger's dog ?? Roy seemed to be a cowboy star a while ago.
Thanks in advance
Andreas
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Date: 24 Apr 91 02:12:40 GMT
From: daffy!cat23.cs.wisc.edu!carter@rsch.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: ICD AdSpeed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I just had a friend who bought an ad speed call me up too tell me that
ICD shipped him a dead 68K with the board!
That must suck.
--Gregory
PS: Currently in a bad state of affairs with a few people out there...
I would send you my head in the mail, shipping paid, but I am wimpering
silently.
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Date: 23 Apr 91 23:38:09 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard
!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!carl@arizona.edu (Carl Johnson)
Subject: Info on Ultimate Ripper
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Has anybody used the "Ultimate Ripper" cartridge for the Atari ST? I have
been told that it will break into any program (is this possible?) but
have yet to see it reviewed in any of the magazines in this country...
Is it likely to be worth spending my money on? Does anyone have any more
information?
thanks in advance.
carl.
<- tharr -> *free* public access to Usenet in the UK <0234 720202>
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Date: 24 Apr 91 13:20:22 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!aunro!ersys!ggranger@arizona.edu (Greg Granger)
Subject: KAOS TOS 1.4
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If anybody in Europe has the KAOS TOS 1.4 fix files, it would be greatly
appreciated if they could upload them to atari.archive.umich.edu. Talk
has been buzzing across the pond here in North America about KAOS TOS (in
the FoReM & ///Turbo x-nets), and many people would like to get these fix
files for TOS 1.4.
BTW, what kind of bugs were fixed in KAOS TOS 1.4 that makes it so much
better than the regular TOS 1.4?
Greg Granger
| INet: ersys!ggranger@nro.cs.athabascau.ca |
| Fnet: Greg Granger (Node 532) Dark Knight (Node 595)|
| Post: 5906-188 Street Edmonton, AB Canada T6M-2A9 |
| Tele: +1 403 481-0803 OR +1 403 481-5110 |
Greg Granger ersys!ggranger@nro.cs.athabascau.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982
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Date: 24 Apr 91 10:47:29 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!prisma!fred@uunet.uu.net (Fred Appelman)
Subject: MIDI software
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi Net,
I am posting this request for a friend, who does not have
access to the net.
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I am looking for software for my roland D50 and U110 (editors,
sounds drumpatterns, patches, etc., etc.)
Can anybody give me directions on where to find this kind of
software, or a good MIDI ftp archive.
Andre Dijkhuizen
--
Fred J.R. Appelman, 3D Computer Vision, Utrecht University
AZU, Heidelberglaan 100, 3584 CX Utrecht, The Netherlands.
Telephone: +31-30-506710 Fax: +31-30-513399
e-mail: fred@cv.ruu.nl or appelman@cs.unc.edu
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Date: 24 Apr 91 12:19:00 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!unido!rwthinf!cip-s08!wolfram@uunet.uu.net
(Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: Okami Shell - NOT with VI, NO ARGV/xARG support!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
>It seems the Okami shell, while supporting:
[...]
>Does NOT support ARGV and xARG parameters!
>Please, would the Author of Okami add this,
Ok, will be done in one of the future versions.
If you have sources ready, mail me, this could speed things up.
CU
Okami-san
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Date: 24 Apr 91 18:08:57 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!glover
@arizona.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: On Buying A TT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I would like to buy a TT030 but Iam concerned asto how well Atari Computer
Systems and the T family is doing in the rest of the world; Germany,France
Canada any info on this would be helpful. Ive owned an 4 8bits fo 8 years
now and I know I can expect a good product from Atari but I have come into
the Atari market at the wrong time before (oh yeah, that 5200 was not a
wise move in '84; but them again I could have bought an ADAM}
Post here or send be E-mail
Thanks-O-Plenty
Glover
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Date: 24 Apr 91 15:42:23 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-p
cd!hpmcaa!patrick@arizona.edu (Patrick Hawke)
Subject: PC-DITTO II $145 or Trade???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Working PC-Ditto II $145
or Trade?
Contact: patrick@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com
Patrick J. Hawke
104 S. Filbert St.
McMinnville, OR 97128
503-434-5122 HOME
503-472-5101 x411 WORK
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Date: 24 Apr 91 08:56:58 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek)
Subject: Printer Fonts (was Re: ASSIGN.SYS for OPUS spreadsheet/Charting
program)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr22.170659.28977@lut.ac.uk> M.A.Rahin@lut.ac.uk (Mohammad A.
Rahin) writes:
| The main requirement is that one must
| use the exact corresponding printer font as for the screen font. If this
| requirement is satisfied, one is more or less assured of hassle free
| operation.
Well, since I am required to have printer fonts to run OPUS with its
charts: does anyone know of any PD printer fonts for an old Epson
FX-80? Of course, I would need the matching GEM screen fonts! I do
have the PD Atari Times Roman (ATR) screen fonts.
If only OPUS would *not* require printer fonts...! Sigh.
--
Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
===============================================================================
Proud owner of a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-|
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Date: 24 Apr 91 12:42:20 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc
.edu!aplcen!aplpy.jhuapl.edu!rsl@arizona.edu (Russell S. Laderer)
Subject: ST GEM-based Word Processors
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Tried to email, but it bounced.
I have been using WordWriter ST by Timeworks for about 2 years,
and think it is very easy to learn. It has most of the
functionality you could want from a basic wp, and it did not
cost me much (on sale, $49).
Scott Laderer
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Date: 24 Apr 91 13:18:21 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!toumon!wucc!ytsuji@arizon
a.edu (Y.Tsuji)
Subject: TEAC 2.88MB SCSI floppy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
No use of ED floppies! Syquest's removable disk(44MB) is so cheap now
that anything under 20 MB won't sell. 20MB hard disks cannot be sold
higher than $70. They don't even go to the second hand dealer but simply
get destroyed. 1.44 MB floppies will be around for a while till cheap
streamer tape will take their place. Must be crazy to buy ED's unless
a very useful data is only available on that media.
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Date: 24 Apr 91 12:31:11 GMT
From: gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Weird TT hard disk thingy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2910@atari.UUCP>, apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
>D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Halliday) writes:
>
>The fatal flaw in your reasoning is that you think since both drives are
>SCSI drives, they should have different SCSI unit numbers. What's actually
>happening as far as the TT is concerned is that you have one SCSI drive and
>one ACSI drive. The Supra drive is connected through a controller which
>lets you plug the SCSI drive into the ACSI bus. The controller, in
>essence, creates a tiny SCSI bus between it and the drive you connect to
>it. This controller will only control one unit, and it has to be SCSI unit
>0.
My reasoning is fine, thank you. Yes, what you describe above is intuitively
obvious after knowing that both drives needed to be set to 0. What is
less obvious is why the Supra HAD to be set to 0. My ICD host adaptor
will allow me to set the SCSI device id to whatever I want, and will still
find the drive at boot time. I can hook multiple drives up to it, etc. Thus,
I make the following assertion: there are two logically seperate busses on
the TT (which concern fixed disks): a pure SCSI and an ASCI. Each is
independent in the sense of SCSI device id numbers, so each can have a device
0 without conflict. My question (based on this assertion) is this: Why did
the Supra drive _require_ SCSI id 0? It was the only device on that "bus"?
In other words, do the SCSI id numbers on a bus have to start with 0, then
increment by one? Could I have a device 0, then a device 4? If not, why?
This has been successfully done by both Supra and ICD (and Atari, I thought).
If so, then is the restriction only on the first SCSI device (ie does a
device 0 have to exist, but other devices need not be sequentially numbered)?
Another way to look at the question is this: What need be considered when
hooking up multiple ASCI devices (consisting of host adaptor and SCSI device)
to the TT? How must the SCSI id numbers be picked for all drives to work? It
is inexcusable that this information was not included in the TT manual. For
example, my hard disk was set to SCSI id 1 when I bought it. Thus, were I
to get a TT (and without the benifit of helping my friend) I would not be
able to get the damn thing to work without a phone call to Atari. Since this
computer is a logical upgrade from the ST architecture, all information needed
to "upgrade" should be included in the manual!!!!!!
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 24 Apr 91 15:32:45 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!uokmax!d.cs.okstate.edu!unx2.ucc.oksta
te.edu!cummins@arizona.edu (John Cummins)
Subject: Weird TT hard disk thingy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>|>>turned out to be the problem. BOTH drives had to be set to SCSI 0
>>|>>to work. Extremely weird. Anyone have an explination?
>
>>Yes, but why does this explain why it will not work with an id other
>>than 0? I can see that if TT SCSI and ASCI are seperate buses then it is
>>ok to use the same id. Does this meen that the TT ASCI port only
On my Mega ST... I have no SCSI 0 drive. I use scsi 4 and 5 so I can
daisy chain a friends scsi 0 drive and still access my own disks.
But I can still boot... and use my hard disks w/o any SCSI 0 device
attached.
The fellow you've been chatting with says the TT won't recognize SCSI devices
1-7 on the ASCI bus, at least not without an SCSI 0 in place. Device 0 MUST
be used for the first device. Why????
John Cummins
cummins@unx2.ucc.okstate.edu
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