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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 21 Mar 91 Volume 91 : Issue 160
Today's Topics:
4Pak
520st forsale
Art/Drawing Program Wanted
Can't connect a 1040st to a TV Set :-(
Easy money (2 msgs)
INDEX INFO-A16
Info about WHATTAHE demo? (2 msgs)
lynx
Mega4 for 1040st+hardisks or cash swap anyone?
Problems unpacking Gemini1.2
Problem with demo disk on Atari ST
STalker/STeno, info, please!
Standardized disk layout/folder names
standard practices
Taking a dump (LaTeX that is)
Uniterm & Kermit
Upgrades for old system
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Date: 21 Mar 91 20:19:43 GMT
From: dhmolde.no!edb02@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Torbjorn Ose)
Subject: 4Pak
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Just though I'd tell everyone that the 4pak-packer on Atari.Archive is the
_OLD_ pack2.0 (by Escape from Holland). Someone just changed all the dutch
into English (and removed the programmers name...).
The original version with depacker and readme (dutch) was posted to
comp.binaries ages ago.
Torbjorn Ose / I like the future,/ ____ ______ ________________________
edb02@dhmolde.no / I'm in it :-) / /___ / The norwegian ST
________________/___________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: 21 Mar 91 19:51:28 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
u!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu@arizona.edu (Bernard Bediako)
Subject: 520st forsale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
FOR SALE:
Atari 520st (cpu, no internal drive)
$90 or best offer
bernie
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Date: 21 Mar 91 18:27:51 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
-state.edu!linac!midway!msuinfo!sierra.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@arizona.edu (The
Michael Schenker Group)
Subject: Art/Drawing Program Wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
ART ST, the Shareware art program that gets bundled with QuickST is
reasonable. It will save in a couple different formats. Not sure
where it can be gotten. I got mine with QuickST.
While on the subject. I want to send in money for the shareware
programs I use, but I want to have the write addresses. Can someone
mail me the addresses for Little Green Footballs and the ART ST.
Thanks...
--
||| David W. Schultz |||
||| uunet[!rutgers!mailrus]!frith!schultzd |||
/ | \ Work Phone: (517)-353-8891 / | \
/ | \ "Just gimme a STacy laptop!" / | \
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Date: 21 Mar 91 15:40:20 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!bluemoon!dddean@arizona.edu (David D.
Dean)
Subject: Can't connect a 1040st to a TV Set :-(
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello:
I was currently in the market to buy an Atari 1040st, but had found out
that the sytem I was going to buy (at a GREAT price) did not include a
monitor!! "No Problem!" I thought. "I'll just hook it up to my TV Set
like I have with my 8-bit, and like my friend did with his 520!!"
WRONG ANSWER.. Thanks For Playing!!
It turns out that they (The Atari Company) did not include an RF modulator
for their 1040st line. DARN!!! That really ticks!
Anyway... if ANYONE has come up with a solution to this little problem,
PLEASE reply to me!!!
Thanks For any help!!
You can send any replies to:
David D. Dean, President David D. Dean, Vice Chairman
Explorer Post 891 Exploring Officer's Association
AT&T Systems/Bell Labs Central Ohio Council
dddean@bluemoon.uucp Columbus, OH 43227
**** Any opinions are that of the author, and NOT of AT&T ****
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Date: 21 Mar 91 15:03:14 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!gumby!wmu-coyote!dodgson@arizona.edu
(Harry Dodgson)
Subject: Easy money
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I truly wish you and your site be disconnected from the USENET for
a long duration as not only is this behaviour prohibited on
this NET, but is illegal in every state.
Harry
--
Harry Dodgson Jr. | Internet dodgson@sol.cs.wmich.edu -(35.132.4.2)-
Western Michigan University | UUCP ...uunet!sharkey!wmichgw!wmu-cs!dodgson
Computer Science Department | Voice (616) 387-5803
Kalamazoo, MI 49008 | Office 4420 Dunbar Hall
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Date: 21 Mar 91 18:29:27 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!csduts
1!fsctc@arizona.edu (Clarence T. Chang)
Subject: Easy money
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <247.27e77f44@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes:
>
>
> INSTRUCTIONS
> ============
>Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you
>will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.
>This program has remained successful because of the honesty
>and integrety of the participants. Please continue its
>success by carefully adhering to the instructions.
>
This is illegal, unethical, and disgusting to see here on the net! It is
a variation of the chain letter/pyramid scheme. A SKUNK IS A SKUNK NO
MATTER WHAT BRAND OF PERFUME IS USED. IT STILL STINKS! Get off our space.
C.T.Chang
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Date: 21 Mar 91 16:54:00 EST
From: "SYSTEM MANAGER" <system@gnd1.wtp.contel.com>
Subject: INDEX INFO-A16
To: "info-atari16" <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
INDEX INFO-A16
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Date: 21 Mar 91 11:38:33 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!simvax.labmed.umn.
edu!davidli@arizona.edu
Subject: Info about WHATTAHE demo?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar20.143318.26598@chinet.chi.il.us>, saj@chinet.chi.il.us
(Stephen Jacobs) writes:
> I just got the WHATTAHE demo, and suspect that I don't know how to see all of
> it. There's the 'sorcerer Mickey' opening screen, the helix of spheres
> animation, a block wall non-menu and a long text streamer with moving letters.
> I get to all of those by hitting the space bar. Any more parts? If so, how
> do I get to them? Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us
Ummm, yes. It is a bit cryptic. The different demos are accessible using the
arrow keys and following the cursor. Since I'm typing at a VAX and not at my
ST, I can only tell you the following from memory.
Left and right arrows should move the small cursor (at the helix of spheres
animation ... the one with all of those incomprehensible numbers at the top of
the screen) between various parameters. The rightmost parameter (and the one
the cursor is at when the demos START...) changes the demo program number. You
should then use the up/down arrows to select the NUMBER of a demo, and then hit
the space bar to get to that demo.
You'll first get a block wall with characters being written upon it. Hit the
space bar after the characters are done and the demo starts. Hit the space bar
again and you get to the block wall saying 'going to menu', hit the space bar
again and you're back at the helix of spheres animation (which IS the menu...)
Take it from there. Oh yes ... it is possible that I've mixed left/right and
up/down arrows, but a little experimentation should take you where you want to
go. There are (from memory) 13 demos...
--
David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
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Date: 21 Mar 91 18:09:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu
(Ed Krimen)
Subject: Info about WHATTAHE demo?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes:
- I just got the WHATTAHE demo, and suspect that I don't know how to
- see all of it. There's the 'sorcerer Mickey' opening screen, the
- helix of spheres animation, a block wall non-menu and a long text
- streamer with moving letters. I get to all of those by hitting the
- space bar. Any more parts? If so, how do I get to them?
There are actually 13 more demos on the Whattaheck disk that can be
accessed from the main menu, which is where the blue spheres are
moving around. The 'block wall non-menu' that you mentioned is an
intro to another demo. From your description, the 'long text streamer
with moving letters' sounds like demo number 0. To get to the other
demos, in the upper right hand corner of the main menu (where the blue
spheres are) there's a counter which indicates which demo you will
load if you press the space bar. To change this number, use the
cursor keys (I think up and down) to move over there. To change the
number, use the right and left cursor keys. Now, you can use the
cursor keys to change the other values on the screen to control the
movements of the spheres as well. Just play with it. After you've
selected the number of the demo you want to view, press the space bar
(I think it's the space bar, it's been a while since I've viewed the
demo). It will bring up the block wall with the cursor drawing the
text. At this point, the demo is loading the next demo and
decompressing it. It will take some time and will be finished before
all the text is drawn, so you can hit the space bar before it's
finished to see if it's decompressed yet. Give it about 10 seconds
though once the demo starts loading before you start pressing the
space bar. Demo #10 is one of my favorites.
--
Ed Krimen ...............................................
||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661
/ | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
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Date: 21 Mar 91 23:27:04 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!laird@arizona.edu (Laird
Popkin)
Subject: lynx
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar19.200450.21738@isc.rit.edu> drp9500@isc.rit.edu (D.R.
Paradis ) writes:
>>
>> Portable game system market so far:
>>
[stuff deleted]
>> NEC TurboExpress $300+ Color, 1-2 players, accepts
>> TurboGraphix-16 games
> ~~~~
> $250 (tuner shown in ads is an extra
>$150)
>
Actually, while NEC says that the _list_ price for the TurboExpress is
$250, all of the major chains seem to be claiming that it lists for $299,
and selling it for that (when they can get it). The tuner is another
$90-100. The amazing things about the TE, to me, is that for $250-300 you
get a TE, 6 batteries, and a skinny manual. No games to play, no
transformer, no multi-player cable. For that much money, you would expect
them to throw in the "accessories" necessory to use the thing. I guess
they know that the only people who will buy the TE already own the TG16
anyway. For $99, the stripped down Lynx package is reasonable, purely to
compete with the $89 GameBoy. But NEC's attitude with the TE isn't cool.
They did the same thing with the TG16 for a while, too -- you would thing
they'd learn that people like to be able to use what they buy.
>
>--
>************************************************************************
>* Just because I'm a film major | < Net-address > *
>* doesn't mean I'm a Spielber-wanna-be....| *
>* I'm a Lynch-wanna-be! | drp9500@ultb.isc.rit.edu *
- Laird Popkin (internet: laird@think.com)
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Date: 21 Mar 91 22:11:57 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!netcom!kron@arizona.edu
(Kenneth Kron)
Subject: Mega4 for 1040st+hardisks or cash swap anyone?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have a 1040 st with 4 meg and JRI's enhanced color chip. I'd
like to trade it for a Mega 4 if anyone out there is interested.
I also have a 2400 baud modem
1 40 meg ST-506 (formatted) hardisk
1 55 meg (formatted) hardisk (needs power supply and SCSI cable)
1 Host Adapter to hook either or both disks up to the Atari DMA port
Berkley Micro Systems hard disk software
1 single sided drive with power supply and cable
1 Monocrome monitor
1 mouse
1 jostick
Magic Sac (Spectre 128's predecessor sort of)
and the following games
The Guild of Thieves, Demons Winter, Rogue, Heroes of the Lance
All of the above is in working condition and the games come with manuals.
I would like to trade the 1040 plus some combination of the above
stuff/cash for the MEGA 4.
--
Kenneth Kron kron@netcom.COM
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Date: 21 Mar 91 15:18:07 GMT
From: infopiz!abekas!abekrd!mike@decwrl.dec.com (Mike Quinn)
Subject: Problems unpacking Gemini1.2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
* I need help *
I have encountered a problem unpacking Gemini 1.2. It comes as three 'self-
extracting LHarc archives as well as LHARC.TTP. Hah, thought I - no problem
I'll just use the self extracting archives.
*Big-time Mistake*
I tried to run GMNI12_3.TOS, which created its own directory and put
CHAMELEON.PRG in it, it created another directory and another and ... It
looks to me like one of those self-addressing directories, because it comes
back to the directory with Chameleon in it.
So when you unpack Gemini 1.2, use the LHARC.TTP supplied, _don't_ use the
self-extraction mis-feature.
Now, how do I get rid of my screwed up directory, it says that it contains
a write-protected file, but it's empty. Do I have to reformat the partition?
All help will be gratefully received!
Mike Quinn. Abekas Video Systems Ltd. Reading. United Kingdom.
net: mike@abekrd.co.uk UUCP: ...!uunet!mcsun!ukc!abekrd!mike
He is BOB, eager for fun. He wears a smile, everybody run.
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Date: 21 Mar 91 18:28:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wi
sc.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!cmb00.larc.nasa.gov!scott@arizona.edu (Scott Yelich)
Subject: Problem with demo disk on Atari ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>I just got the Atari minix demo disk. When I try "mkfs /dev/hd8 16384"
>I get:
> No space on root device 1/0
> Error: put_block couldn't write
> Line 1 bewing processed when error detected.
> 1. Under GEM, I need a hard disk driver. I have a Micropolis with several
> 16M partitions. This is attached to an ICD Advantaghe Plus. Is a
compatabile
> driver loaded under minix? Can I load one with the demo disk?
I don't know. I was unfortunate enough to purchase minix 1.1 just
before 1.5 (whatever) came out. Anyway, from my experiences with 1.1,
I stopped trying. I got the same errors you got until I subtracted
numbers from the size.... like 16383, or 16300... I think I had to end
up doing 16100 to get it to work! Then, after the partition was
formatted, fsck would pass, and when I would try to WRITE to the disk,
well, chugga-chugga clank-clank, I would get disk errors every 12
sectors or so. I was uncompressing the 1.1 to 1.5 upgrade (thanx
hyc!) and the uncompress took over 2 hours on my ST! That convinced
me to do all my uncompressing on a sparc and use a floppy to transfer
files to my hard drive and then copy them over with that minix utility
for reading tos partitions.
Anyway, what got me was the fact that:
1) The size was never exact (ie: 16384/16383 )
2) fsck would pass yet there would be errors (ever 12 sectors?)
3) minix apparently doesn't check/re-write on error (I didn't bother to look)
so my 2 hour uncompress was invalidated after the first sector error.
4) I was unable to stop the uncompress short of rebooting...
If anyone knows anything about problems #1/#2 I would appreciate the
info, I really WOULD like to at least play with the 1.5.xxx stuff.
However, it does look like MiNT has minix beat by a long shot (IMHO)
and it's about time I start writing MiNT utilities...
Scott
ps: anyone have tos 1.4 patches for STOS? Anyone ever heard of such a thing?
--
Signature follows. [Skip now]
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Scott D. Yelich scott@[xanth.]cs.odu.edu [128.82.8.1]
After he pushed me off the cliff, he asked me, as I fell, ``Why'd you jump?''
Administrator of: Game-Design requests to <game-design-request@cs.odu.edu>
ODU/UNIX/BSD/X/C/ROOT/XANTH/CS/VSVN/
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Date: 21 Mar 91 11:22:10 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!n
ews.funet.fi!funic!santra!saha.hut.fi!s37837k@arizona.edu (Jari Lehto)
Subject: STalker/STeno, info, please!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Could someone kinly tell me about STalker/STeno?
What it is like, what can it do, how much does it cost, and most important:
Where can I get one? (fax number appreciated!!!)
I have many problems with ST's terminals, and having a v.32 MNP 2-5 modem
(requires 19200 locked baudrate and RTS/CTS, I have TURBOCTS.PRG...)
does not make it any easier.
So, anyone, help!
Main problems:
Scandinavian characters
Terminal emulation (both vt100 and ANSI required)
No Z-modem
Flow-control
Locked baudrate 19200bps
Control-characters when using emacs & similar (~C, ~X, ~N, etc)
So, which terminal(s) do you suggest? Setup?
Jartsu
P.S. Email answer is preferred.
*** Jari Lehto, jartsu@otax.hut.fi, s37837k@saha.hut.fi ***
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Date: 21 Mar 91 16:01:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toron
to.edu!utgpu!utzoo!utdoe!david@arizona.edu (David Megginson)
Subject: Standardized disk layout/folder names
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <2232@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, Plinio Barbeito/ writes:
> Again, as long as we're on the subject of standards, how do people
> feel about having some sort of disk layout standard, like Unix has
> (i.e. the binaries are kept in /bin, system database files are kept in
> /etc, user files are kept in /usr, manuals for programs are kept in
> /usr/man, and so on).
Even Unix is not entirely standard, which is why Makefiles usually
allow you to modify absolute pathnames for your system. That works
fine for Unix, where practically all free programs are distributed
in source-code form and all systems have a C compiler, but it would
not work so well on the ST, where much of the distribution is in
binary form, and absolute pathnames are usually replaced with environment
variables. Until the ST support symlinks (ie. never), I don't think
that we will ever be able to lay down a set of absolute rules for
pathnames. The best bet is the Unixmode standard, which will allow
you to refer to (say) c:/bin as /bin, etc. Eric Smith may build the
standard into a future version of MiNT.
--
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/ David Megginson david@doe.utoronto.ca /
/ Centre for Medieval Studies meggin@vm.epas.utoronto.ca /
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Date: 21 Mar 91 13:54:21 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toron
to.edu!utgpu!utzoo!utdoe!david@arizona.edu (David Megginson)
Subject: standard practices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Gnu already seems to have a standard for long options. The Gnu fileutils
use either -v or +verbose, -r or +recursive, etc., and they have a function
getopt1() to deal with the longer options. We should probably standardise
this way, instead of using -help which could be an option -h with the
argument `elp'.
David
--
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/ David Megginson david@doe.utoronto.ca /
/ Centre for Medieval Studies meggin@vm.epas.utoronto.ca /
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Date: 21 Mar 91 22:17:26 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!uwovax.uwo.ca!4203_5132@arizona.edu
Subject: Taking a dump (LaTeX that is)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am having a problem getting LaTeX to compile for my Mega ST4.
If someone could send me thier make file for such a beast, (That is
the make file for INITeX and VIRTeX, then I can dump my own
LaTeX), I would appreciate it.
Even better, if someone could send me a uuencoded
copy of INITeX and VIRTeX for the Mega4, I would be
overjoyed.
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4th year Applied Math/Computer Science |
University of Western Ontario | "Put a quote here"
London, Canada | -anonymous
semple@uwovax.uwo.ca |
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Date: 21 Mar 91 14:56:51 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!maytag!watmath!ljdicke
y@arizona.edu (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Uniterm & Kermit
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar20.114315.19825@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
badorion@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (Brian A. Dorion) writes:
>I'd be interested in any advice people have as well. I download some-
>thing to my ST, and when I try to unarc it, the arc usually comes up
>with a comment like "This uses 13 bits I can only handle 12." Can anyone
>tell me why the files I try to downloaded after ftp'ing keep getting
>smashed? The text files are ok, its just the binaries that are getting
>creamed.
Just as an experiment, try uuencoding the file first, then transfer
it the the ST, UUDecode it, and then try ARC.
If you still have the same problem, the trouble might be with your
deARCer.
If the problem goes away, you were probably not getting a faithful
transfer of the binary (ARC) file.
--
Prof L.J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1
Internet: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu
UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey
X.400: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca
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Date: 21 Mar 91 19:43:32 GMT
From: infonode!tensmekl@uunet.uu.net (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Upgrades for old system
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
About a year and half ago my 1040 died (or was on it's last disk drive)
After relocating, selling one house, buying another, I had the space to
set my system again. Lo and behold, that which was "broken" is now fixed.
I'm now in the market to buy new stuff for my toy. I'v missed out on the
heated discussions and so I'm looking for summaries.
What's a really good editor for the ST. VIX and STeVI don't cut it
as Vi clones (my editor of choice on Unix).
Do I really need to break down and make microemacs 3.10 the editor
I use on all 6 systems?
I have Tempus already, I am aware that there is no upgrade to
Tempus II. What is the difference between the two versions and
is it worth it.
I have the monoscreen. I don't want to pay $340 for a color monitor
for DM and other "cool" :-) games; My wife wants something the
the kids can use.
Does VidioKey present a real alternative to buying a color monitor.
Does anybody use a VidioKey without cursesing it to high heaven.
Is there a list of the current versions of software, so that
I can figure out of all my packages, which need to be upgraded
to be really usable.
What are the good WordProcessing packages as opposed to the
DeskTop Publishing wannabe's?
What the essential differences between DC desktop and NeoDesk 3.0
(The major thing I see is the Neo CLI. [I seen the other CLI's and
I'm not impressed.])
Has anyone ported Perl to the ST? [It does run on a PC, why not an
ST?
--
Kermit Tensmeyer | Intergraph Corporation
UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!tensmekl | One Madison Industrial Park
INTERNET: tensmekl@ingr.com | Mail Stop LR23A2
AT&T: (205)730-8127 | Huntsville, AL 35807-4201
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