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INFO-ATARI16 Digest Sat, 12 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 536
Today's Topics:
BOOKS for the ST (2 msgs)
copyfix.prg
GCR Boot
getting argv[0]
INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 #528 (2 msgs)
poolfix3, poolfix4; naming conventions.
Pro GEM Tutorials
Programming self-help
Radiation screens for the ST
ST Stuff for sale
Unix windows... Where is it (FTP site)??
UUPC/ST
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Date: 12 May 90 08:32:08 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1cbw@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
(D.C. Halliday)
Subject: BOOKS for the ST
Message-ID: <1990May12.083208.23909@newcastle.ac.uk>
A few years ago I found a very good book on basic ST gem programing:
Applications programing on the Atari ST : By Pollack and Webber.
Does anyone know the publisher? This is so that I can order more
copies of this book direct from the States as no UK Book shop has been
able to get hold of it.
Thanks,
Dave H.
(D.C.halliday@newcastle.ac.uk)
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Date: 12 May 90 23:57:48 GMT
From: cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@ub.d.umn.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: BOOKS for the ST
Message-ID: <A2537034924@thelake.mn.org>
[In article <1990May12.083208.23909@newcastle.ac.uk>,
D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk (D.C. Halliday) writes ... ]
> A few years ago I found a very good book on basic ST gem programing:
>
> Applications programing on the Atari ST : By Pollack and Webber.
>
> Does anyone know the publisher? This is so that I can order more
> copies of this book direct from the States as no UK Book shop has been
> able to get hold of it.
The publisher is Bantam Books, 666 Fifth Avenue, New York NY 10103.
The ISBN number is 0-553-34397-1. The first, and probably only, printing
was in September 1987. I've heard that the book is out of print, but I
have not contacted the publisher.
It's a very good intro to GEM programming and includes quite a bit of
Atari-specific information. It's not the most in-depth book you might wish
for, and some of the information is just plain wrong, but I have not found
anything better.
It has C header files listed in the back that let me figure out how to
write a library of AES bindings for the Sozobon compiler before GEMFAST
became available. Line A, on the other hand, merits only a paragraph or two.
--
Steve Yelvington at the lake in Minnesota
steve@thelake.mn.org
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Date: 12 May 90 20:58:51 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan!ggreenbe@ucsd.edu
(Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: copyfix.prg
Message-ID: <3271@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
Sorry I don't know how to include the previous messages in my
own, but there were (at least) two messages stating that
copyfix.prg, which comes with icd hard drive set ups, causes
problems with other programs (one was Neodesk). Well, I'm
going to add another: DCDESKTOP. When I finally got around
to including copyfix.prg in my autofolder, it let dcdesktop
load, but it messed up the desktop that had various icons on
it, AND it did not show hard disk icons with my three
partitions. In fact, it only showed one partition, and showed
that partition using a "folder" icon.
Just out of curiosity, is copyfix.prg something one really
needs? Based on the description of what it does, I can't
tell what practical use it has. Maybe it is only something
that is valuable to programmers? (which I'm not)
--Gerry
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Date: 12 May 90 13:26:34 GMT
From: cs.dal.ca!silvert@uunet.uu.net (Bill Silvert)
Subject: GCR Boot
Message-ID: <1990May12.132634.19813@cs.dal.ca>
In article <1609@mountn.dec.com> gheesling@krypton.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>It doesn't matter where the System Folder is. Here's my suggestions:
I received several replies to my request for help (how to get a GCR to
autoboot). The correct response came from the President of the local
Mac user group (Peter Gergely of MUGNS) who told me to do the following:
Drag the System and Folder together onto the HD icon (NOT onto the
desktop). They then appear on the desktop. This apparently moves their
directory entries into the boot area.
Drag them back into the System folder. The Mac screen looks just the
way it did when you started.
The system now autoboots (assuming that you have followed all the other
instructions in the manual about setting the proper Spectre options,
which I had done).
--
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577
UUCP=..!
BITNET=bill%biomel%dalcs@dalac InterNet=bill%biomel@cs.dal.ca
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Date: 12 May 90 13:16:27 GMT
From: cs.dal.ca!silvert@uunet.uu.net (Bill Silvert)
Subject: getting argv[0]
Message-ID: <1990May12.131627.19217@cs.dal.ca>
In article <2731@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod ) writes:
>
>This means that AUTO folder programs can't get to their names legally
>because they are being started via Pexec during the start-up process,
>and since GEM hasn't been initialized in the AUTO folder, the BIOS
>reset routine can't shel_write the name before, and your program
>can't shel_read the name. Moreover, the BIOS AUTO folder routine
>doesn't use those Xarg tricks yet.
Huh? How do things like FOLDRXXX.PRG get their name then? In fact, I
wrote a utility several years ago so support RAM disks that ran from the
AUTO folder and read its own name to find out what to do. I don't
remember how the code worked, although I probably still have the source
around somewhere, but it was written in TDI Modula-2 and reading the
name of the program seemed straghtforward.
--
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577
UUCP=..!
BITNET=bill%biomel%dalcs@dalac InterNet=bill%biomel@cs.dal.ca
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Date: Sat, 12 May 90 20:22:30 CDT
From: Chris Morris <$QMA037%LSUVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 #528
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Date: Sat, 12 May 90 20:24:24 CDT
From: Chris Morris <$QMA037%LSUVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 #528
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Date: 12 May 90 04:17:52 GMT
From: vsi1!daver!ditka!zinn!kgg@apple.com (Kenn Goutal)
Subject: poolfix3, poolfix4; naming conventions.
Message-ID: <703@zinn.MV.COM>
and what does it fix?
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Date: 12 May 90 17:09:52 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!gos.ukc.ac.uk!dac@uunet.uu.net (David Clear)
Subject: Pro GEM Tutorials
Message-ID: <2999@gos.ukc.ac.uk>
As many have pointed out, the tutorials are available at the Lancaster archive
in England. I've actually had these for almost a year now, but Lancs only
have the first 13 parts.
If you could mail me parts 14 - 17 + appendices, Howard, I'll pass them on to
Lancaster.
Thanks,
Dave.
(No FTP, limited international mail. Oh the joys of being an undergraduate!)
--
% cc life.c | David Clear <dac@ukc.ac.uk>
% a.out | Computer Science, University of Kent,
Segmentation fault (core dumped) | Canterbury, England.
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Date: 12 May 90 04:04:41 GMT
From: vsi1!daver!ditka!zinn!kgg@apple.com (Kenn Goutal)
Subject: Programming self-help
Message-ID: <702@zinn.MV.COM>
J. David Beutel suggests that an index file could be made available
for the archive of examles (and other useful things, he points out),
such that a well-known request could cause it to be mailed to the
requester, who could then search it using 'grep' or equivalent.
Another way to do this would be to store the examples (etc) as 'blobs'
in a relational database, indexed by things like related hardware,
system calls names, related software, language, submission date, author,
arbitrarily-assigned keywords, whatever. The the requesting mail msg
could contain a relational expression specifying the thing to retrieve
and mail back. e.g. (using (ugh!) SQL) WHERE HARDWARE == 'DISK' AND
SYSCALL == 'BIOS' AND KEYWORD LIKE '%FORMAT%'
-- Kenn Goutal
UUCP: kenn@rr.MV.COM (...decvax!zinn!rr!kenn)
or: kenn@zinn.MV.COM (...decvax!zinn!kenn)
BIX: kenn
CompuServe: 71117.2572
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Date: 12 May 90 12:16:32 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan!ggreenbe@ucsd.edu
(Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: Radiation screens for the ST
Message-ID: <3268@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
I've seen screens that are supposed to stop glare, and screens
that are supposed to stop radiation coming out of computer
monitors...but I've only seen them for Macs or MS-DOS
machines. Does anybody out there know if there is one made
specifically for the ST? Or do I have to use one that is made
for another machine? (I'm not interested in a screen that is
made only for glare.) If there is no specifically ST screen,
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who uses one made for
another machine and feels that the screen is doing its job and
looks reasonable nice.
Thanks very much...You can post or email directly.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu --- or --- maxg@suvm (bitnet)
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Date: 12 May 90 19:26:35 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!joerg@ucsd.edu (Joerg
Frauendiener)
Subject: ST Stuff for sale
Message-ID: <24235@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Atari 1040 Stuff for Sale:
Atari 1040 ST (TOS 1.2) 1988 $500
incl. Monochrome-Monitor
Supra Harddisk 20MB 1988 $400
______________________________________
$900/Best offer
e-mail: joerg@unix.cis.pitt.edu
Phone: (412) 624-9201 (day)
(412) 441-7081 (evening)
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Date: 12 May 90 19:33:07 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!math.lsa.umich.edu!hyc@ucsd.edu (Howard
Chu)
Subject: Unix windows... Where is it (FTP site)??
Message-ID: <12009@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu>
Let's kill a couple birds with one stone here...
Unix Windows is a terminal program that can multiplex many terminal sessions
over a single serial line, when communicating with a host running a uw server.
Each session has a graphic window to itself. It's pretty decent, although it
only supports adm-31 emulation at present.
The protocol, server, and user program were originally designed for the Mac.
The Mac uw client also has a tektronix emulator, and a few other nice features.
Everything relevant to the program can be found on terminator, in the directory
atari/telecomm. The files uwbin.arc and uwsrc.arc contain full Atari binaries
and sources. The file uw.arc contains only the program with no support files.
I believe this is also an outdated version of the program.
The file uw.tar.Z contains the distribution as gotten from the author. This
compressed tar file contains the full source for the Unix server, the uw
programming library, and binaries for the Mac. I haven't looked for a newer
release in several months, this file is from November '89.
If anyone is interested in hacking on uw, I suggest you get the tar file and
read through the protocol description. There's a lot allowed for in the protocol
that the Atari client doesn't address. Could add something to the emulation...
A really nice add would be to make it work with Micro-RTX, so you could not
only open terminal windows, but TOS windows as well, and run them concurrently.
It's got a lot of potential, but like so many other things about the ST, it's
going untapped...
--
-- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan
... the glass is always greener on the side ...
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Date: 12 May 90 04:42:02 GMT
From: vsi1!daver!ditka!zinn!kgg@apple.com (Kenn Goutal)
Subject: UUPC/ST
Message-ID: <704@zinn.MV.COM>
A year or so I came into possession of a copy of UUPC for the ST,
where UUPC is an implementation of UUCP (originally-) for the IBM PC.
It explained itself as a *very* early version, what might be called
"pre-alpha release" of the Atari port, mentioning that the author
had essentially been harassed into releasing it "before its time".
I don't have the details in front of me at the moment, but some of
the names asociated with it were Stuart Lynne, Steven Grimm, and
Lawrence Harris. I mention these names not to get them in trouble,
nor in hopes that anyone will hunt them down, but only to help
identify this package to other readers who have it.
It sounded like things were going great guns. What happened?
I got my copy running (more or less) under Mark Williams MicroShell.
I seem to have a problem that mail messages I send from the ST
have <RETURN>s in them, which confuses mailers on Unix boxes,
but I can receive mail okay. Also, the mail utility itself is rather
primitive. In spite of these problems, the package seems promising,
so I'd like to find newer versions that might fix these problems.
Anybody know what happened to this project, or where I can get newer
versions?
Failing that, does anyone know of another implementation of UUCP for
the ST that they could recommend, and where to obtain it?
(In the addresses below, "rr" is my ST, "zinn" is my UUCP partner,
where I also have a guest account.)
TIA,
-- Kenn Goutal
UUCP: kenn@rr.MV.COM (...decvax!zinn!rr!kenn)
or: kenn@zinn.MV.COM (...decvax!zinn!kenn)
BIX: kenn
CompuServe: 71117.2572
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