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Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 7 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 196
Today's Topics:
.IMG/Pagestream/Postscript (2 msgs)
Connecting the Atari ST to it's 8-bit counterparts
Formdoit icons -> .RSC file (2 msgs)
GIF,PCX,TIFF <-> IMG
help with boot sector info
Need help with Minix Demo Disk
New download at atari.archive
New Midwest show
New Uniterms????
Noisetraker for 512K???
oids
Pagestream
Please Ignore- Test Message...
Rufus
Standardized GEM look and feel
Telecom program help needed
The new "Extended Control Panel" for older STs? (2 msgs)
Understanding Chaos???
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Date: 6 Apr 91 20:10:33 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!ogicse!milton!alexd@a
rizona.edu (Alex Danilchik)
Subject: .IMG/Pagestream/Postscript
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi.
I have yet to purchase the software, but I know I am going
to be using .IMG files (of which I know little or nothing about),
AND am going to NEED to print these .IMG in a Postscript DTP
environment...hence Pagestream comes to mind. I have been holding
off buying 1.82 due to the purported soon release of 2.x.
I will have a TRUE PS printer shortly- the NEC Silent Writer 90.
My question: Am I in for trouble in placing .IMG files into
a Postscript format? Should I expect loss or degradation in the
conversion? is there a conversion? and, what .IMG editing tools
are out there? TOUCH_UP ? others? Are .IMG typically large?
And if converted to PS.. can I assume that were I to go to a
printhouse for greater than 300dpi, i will be able to get the
higher resolution for the graphics images?
your help is very much appreciated.
thanks
gunnar
alexd@milton.u.washington.edu
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Date: 6 Apr 91 23:38:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!no
c.MR.NET!ns!ns!logajan@arizona.edu (John Logajan)
Subject: .IMG/Pagestream/Postscript
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
alexd@milton.u.washington.edu (Alex Danilchik) writes:
>Am I in for trouble in placing .IMG files into
>a Postscript format?
I do .img imports into Pagestream all the time.
> Should I expect loss or degradation in the conversion?
.img files are simply compressed bit images. So, to whatever degree
PageStream distorts bitimages upon resizing is your only true worry.
Bit for bit reproductions should be error free.
>Are .IMG typically large?
Depends. Some of my clip-art type scans with the geniscanner produce
.img files that are 1/6th the storage of a raw bitmap.
>And if converted to PS.. can I assume that were I to go to a
>printhouse for greater than 300dpi, i will be able to get the
>higher resolution for the graphics images?
I don't know.
--
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853
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Date: 5 Apr 91 04:10:06 GMT
From: tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!bluemoon!dddean@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (David D.
Dean)
Subject: Connecting the Atari ST to it's 8-bit counterparts
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello:
I have heard that you could connect the Atari ST to the Atari 8-bits, and
then store the 8-bit software on the 3.5'' disks that the ST uses.
I was wondering what all was involved in this process. I know that you
need the "Null Modem" cable, and that the 8-bit will need some sort of
interface, probably the 850... after that, could you just use terminal
software for each computer, and then "download" from the 8-bit to the ST??
Now... I have an Atari SX212 that has both the RS232 port for the ST and
the port that the 8-bit uses. Would it be possible to just use the modem
as a link between the two?? Could I do so without the Null Modem, and
just use my RS232???
ALSO: I have heard that the ST can RUN about 90% of the 8-bit software if
you have another hardware module... anyone else heard this??
Thanks for any replies!!
You can send any replies to:
David D. Dean, President David D. Dean, Vice Chairman
Explorer Post 891 Exploring Officer's Association
AT&T Systems/Bell Labs Central Ohio Council
dddean@bluemoon.uucp Columbus, OH 43227
**** Any opinions are that of the author, and NOT of AT&T ****
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Date: 4 Apr 91 23:33:10 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!spool.mu.ed
u!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!ze
bedee!geoffc@arizona.edu (Geoffrey Coan)
Subject: formdoit icons -> .RSC file
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've just installed formdoit 1.1 on my ST and I love it ! Very nice little
program which makes using GEM much quicker. Now for a couple of queries ..
1. Why do most dialogues come up with the button letters underlined and some
don't ? eg: Show info on a disk drive within Neodesk 3.0 doesn't give any
ALT-key combinations.
2. I have a dialogue box within a program that I have written which I want to
have an '!' icon on. I don't really want to have to draw one by hand so
does anyone know how I can import the icons supplied with formdoit 1.1 into
my RSC file ? I use the laser C RSC editor but also have nrsc/k-resource
if necessary. I could'nt find any way of converting the degas .bl3 files
into the required format.
Advthanks,
Geoffrey
--
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are you ready to SKYDIVE ?? Geoffrey Coan
well all right then, if you say so ... ..!ukc!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc
<- UUCP'd from my ST via tharr; *free* UK public access to Usenet 0234 720202 ->
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Date: 4 Apr 91 23:26:30 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beac
on!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc@arizona.edu (Geoffrey
Coan)
Subject: Formdoit icons -> .RSC file
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've just installed formdoit 1.1 on my ST and I love it ! Very nice little
program which makes using GEM much quicker. Now for a couple of queries ..
1. Why do most dialogues come up with the button letters underlined and some
don't ? eg: Show info on a disk drive within Neodesk 3.0 doesn't give any
ALT-key combinations.
2. I have a dialogue box within a program that I have written which I want to
have an '!' icon on. I don't really want to have to draw one by hand so
does anyone know how I can import the icons supplied with formdoit 1.1 into
my RSC file ? I use the laser C RSC editor but also have nrsc/k-resource
if necessary. I could'nt find any way of converting the degas .bl3 files
into the required format.
Advthanks,
Geoffrey
--
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are you ready to SKYDIVE ?? Geoffrey Coan
well all right then, if you say so ... ..!ukc!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc
<- UUCP'd from my ST via tharr; *free* UK public access to Usenet 0234 720202 ->
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 07:35 GMT +1
From: ____ Zarko Berberski ____ <EBERBERS%yubgef51@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject: GIF,PCX,TIFF <-> IMG
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
| if you feel this is not of general interest |
| send answer to my address and I'll post summary as a single message |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
Could any kind soul send me detailed description (or even better
a source code) of GIF,PCX,TIFF,IMG picture-formats and their creation.
I need to do GIF,PCX,TIFF <-> IMG conversion for a friend who will
very soon have to receive/store/retrive/"reformat"/send pictures in
all those formats. I'v choosen IMG format as a base since it seems to
be most widespread and easiest to manage but if GIF proves to be much
more space efficient then it might became the base. The key point is
that the whole proces will have to be done authomatically. Just to
make things worse ih has to be done while user (my friend) is on-line
and needs certain picture in a certain format and there is nobody home
to do it (except his ST, of course :-). So, there is no chance that any
paint program could be used for conversion and I'm very short with time
and information (yes I have GIF.DOC but have no time to reinvent the
wheel, although I usually like to do that :-).
<<<<<<<<<<<<--------<<>>-------->>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<---- Zarko Berberski ---->>>>
<<<<---- EBERBERS@YUBGEF51.bitnet ---->>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<--------<<>>-------->>>>>>>>>>>>
P.S. Program like this can be a nice "Door" for a BBS so if anybody
would like to have it let me know and I'll post it to the net.
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Date: 5 Apr 91 16:09:08 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!srhqla!quad1!ttidca!woodside@arizona.edu
(George Woodside)
Subject: help with boot sector info
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr4.232804.6060@cs.mcgill.ca> depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme
Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit) writes:
>I have quite a bit of ST disks which don't have the MSDOS bootsector.
>The ones that were formatted under tos1.4 are reading fine on my PC,
>but the ones formatted with TURTLE are unreadable.
>
>Could some kind soul please e-mail me information about how to make an
>ST disk readable on a PC by changing whatever sector is needed to be
>changed through Norton Utilites?
If you have a copy of VKILLER, version 3.0 or later, just do a KILL
on the disk. The resulting bootsector, with all non-critical data
zeroed, will also have the necessary values to be readable on any
MS-DOS system.
///
//
/
/ Fodder
/
//
///
--
* George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA *
* Path: woodside@ttidca.tti.com *
* or: ..!
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 91 20:21:58 CST
From: Robert Gambs <S54394GR%ETSUACAD.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: Need help with Minix Demo Disk
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I have the minix demo disk as a file, but the docs say to copy it
to a 720K disk using a bit copy. What does this mean? How does one make a
bootable from the file?
Robert
S54394gr @ ETSUACAD.BITNET
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Date: 5 Apr 91 14:52:39 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!wb3ffv!ka3o
vk!irscscm!mlake@arizona.edu (Marshall Lake)
Subject: New download at atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
adardemo.arc - a self-running GEM demo of "A Day at the Races" (ADAR)
ADAR is a comprehensive simulation of the horse racing track
environment.
--
Marshall Lake
mlake@irscscm.UUCP
!uunet!media!ka3ovk!irscscm!mlake
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Date: 5 Apr 91 17:26:29 GMT
From: mixcom!baaa02@uunet.uu.net (Theresa Krofta)
Subject: New Midwest show
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
The Milwaukee Area ST User Group (M.A.S.T.) will be sponsoring an Atari
Swapfest on June 2nd, 1991 in Milwaukee, WI.
We wish to thank the following developers and vendors for committing
to attend the show:
Apple Annie
Branch Always Software
Compu-Seller West
Dennis Palumbo Fonts
H&H Enterprises
Kolputer Systems
Micro Magic
M-S Designs
SKware One
Timeworks
Toad Computers
We also will have the new Atari Coupon Books And Catalogs from E.
Arthur Brown Available to the attendees.
We hope that you will be able to join us in Milwaukee for this show.
We will be updating this notice as we have more information.
Ticket cost is two dollars in advance, three dollars at the door.
If you are a developer or a vendor and would like to display, please
leave E-mail to Bob Carpenter, or David Mumper on Genie or to
Rlaudenbach on Delphi or to Jim Hand on Compuserve or to Teri Krofta
on the Net at baaa02@mixcon.com. for more information.
If you need advance tickets please send two dollars (check or money
order please) and a self-addressed envelope to
M.A.S.T.
P.O. Box 25679
Milwaukee, WI 53225
For more information please leave e-mail to one of the people listed
above.
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Date: 6 Apr 91 17:50:41 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru
!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!corton!mirsa!gdo@arizona.edu (Guillaume Doumenc)
Subject: New Uniterms????
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <8809.27e3f603@jetson.uh.edu>, by rcte2p@jetson.uh.edu (Paul S.
Sears):
> Does anyone know if Simon Poole is still developing upgrades to Uniterm?
> There are a few things that I would like to fix, and if the source is released
> in the PD, I would do them myself. Anyone know if he is on the net?
Snailmail
> is not for me....
>
>
> --
>
> Paul Sears The Univ. of Houston |"The greater an individual's power
> Student of the College of Technology | over others, the greater the evil that
> RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu *** | might possibly originate with him."
> RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD)
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Date: 7 Apr 91 02:57:10 GMT
From: noao!ncar!unmvax!nmt.edu!eahsnsr@arizona.edu (Eric A. Hobbs)
Subject: Noisetraker for 512K???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is there a PD program in existence that will allow me to make
my own .MOD files on a standard 512K TOS 1.0 system?
The programs on atari.archive: sync.lzh (demo), TCB Tracker (demo)
and Noisetracker 1.5 all don't run or bomb most heinously. They all
run fine on my friend's 1Meg TOS 1.4 system.
I really want to be able to make these these files without having
to upgrade, yet.
I would appreciate any help!
---------------
Eric A. HOBBS!
eahsnsr@JUPITER.nmt.edu
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Date: 6 Apr 91 19:17:52 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
-state.edu!linac!att!emory!ogicse!usenet!mist.CS.ORST.EDU!wilsont@arizona.edu
(Timothy E. Wilson)
Subject: oids
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone know where i could get a copy of oids? I just saw it on demo and i
want to get it now...isn't a really old game by FTL?
If anyone wants to sell their copy..i might buy if cheap enough (10-12 bucks)
or is it not this cheap mail-order(if i could even get it mail order!)
thanx
wilsont@mist.cs.orst.edu
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Date: 6 Apr 91 23:45:20 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!ogicse!milton!alexd@a
rizona.edu (Alex Danilchik)
Subject: Pagestream
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Sorry, i should have included this question in my first posting.
Question: will Pagestream allow me to place text on a .IMG
raster without obscurring elements of the raster definded by
the "box" that it creates to house the text? In other words,
can one place individual characters of text on top of a .IMG
file without the "text in-a-box" approach?
Sorry for the bad wording of the question.
Thanks
gunnar
alexd@milton.u.washington.edu
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Date: 7 Apr 91 00:46:25 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!know!login@arizona.edu
(James M. Bernatowicz)
Subject: Please Ignore- Test Message...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
This is a test of the pws.bull.com port.
It was posted by mailing to comp.sys.atari.st@pws.bull.com
So why ARE you reading this? I told you to ignore it! :-)
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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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jbernat@andy.bgsu.edu |
jbernat@bgsuvax.uucp | Everything is found in the last place one looks.
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Date: 6 Apr 91 18:25:12 GMT
From: @oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Subject: Rufus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <PP9XZ1w163w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes:
> Really the best thing about RUFUS is that you can change the name to
> RUFUS.ACC and run it as an accessory...It's really nice when you're
Really ?? ( I JUST got it and can't read German(?!) ) Does anybody
have an English version of the .RSC ?? I can guess a lot but not all
of the meanings of the menu entries.
Hmmm..... Rufus (I'm using it now) seems to NOT update the screen (I
keep having to do Control-L's in Emacs), I assume this is a setup
problem..
Also, it doesn't let me mark text in GNU-Emacs (Control-Space) Is
there a solution for this (NOT vi , I use Gnus, and VM for news and
email almost exclusively )
-Andy-
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|"Reality !?! Isn't that something |Better : ANDYS@psc.plymouth.edu |
| you sprinkle on ice ??" |Best : oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |
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Date: 4 Apr 91 18:07:12 GMT
From: bbn.com!nic!kira!news@eddie.mit.edu (Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: Standardized GEM look and feel
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <1991Mar31.043722.10904@convex.com>, by rosenkra@convex.com
(William Rosencranz):
Much deleted...
>
> and if there IS a widely available document dealing exclusively with
> programming practices for GEM, i would sure like to hear about it, whether
> it comes from atari or elsewhere. note that i have most every book ever
> published (in the US) on the ST, including all those which are out of
> print (abacus, sybex, etc etc). i also have the developers docs.
>
> enuf said...
>
> -bill
> rosenkra@convex.com
> --
> Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP:
> Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra%c1yankee@convex.com
All I ever had was a comprehensive article in, I believe, ST Log. It
listed the usual dos and don'ts, and even the prefered menu contents
and layout. It may also have had other references - was hard to read
though. I 'll try and get you the exact reference this weekend or
sooner. Don't want to type it in, it's long and probably still copywrited.
bye,
Bob Pegram
pegram@griffin.uvm.edu
or
!uvm-gen!pegram
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Date: 6 Apr 91 09:41:18 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!ogicse!milton!sumax!p
olari!pv@arizona.edu (Paul Varn)
Subject: Telecom program help needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <5281007@nathan.ruhr.de> ue@nathan.ruhr.de (Udo Erdelhoff) writes:
>In article <440@mixcom.COM> uuvvuu@mixcom.COM (Craig L. Stodolenak) writes:
>
>> I just purchased a used 1040 ST and SC1224 about a week ago and have a
>> few questions. Okay, really just one question: Which telecommunications
>> package do you use and why?
>
>Just one word ahead: Go out, sell your SC1224 and get an SM124 instead. Most
>comm packages perform best on a monchrome display.
>I use Rufus, a german comms package written by Michael Bernhard. It has build
>
You may see the ever-popular Uniterm mentioned as a possible program. You
would not have to sell your color monitor. Uniterm supports med and hi rez.
It's also very fast, full-featured for main-frame and *nix systems, runs
external programs (I run XYZ.TTP) with a mouse click for Zmodem), very
powerfull script language and ability to use GDOS fonts. Full GEM,
and reliable code (not one crash in three years of use). Lastly, it's
in english, comes with extensive documentation, and is free. Current
version is 2.0e. I love to use it with vi (if I have to) where I can click
on the screen and the cursor goes there for editing.
-Pv-
UUCP- pv@seattle
GEnie- P.VARN
>
>--
>Udo Erdelhoff smart: ue@nathan.ruhr.de
>Am Westheck 170 Fido: Udo Erdelhoff on 2:245/52.1
>W-4600 Dortmund 12 (FRG) Maus: Udo Erdelhoff @ DO
> Please keep your replies short - I have to pay for recieving mail
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Date: 6 Apr 91 19:19:27 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-sta
te.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rlcollins@arizona.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Subject: The new "Extended Control Panel" for older STs?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Well, I just picked up the latest Atari Explorer, in which they have a
review of the Mega STe. Well, they also got into the new Extended Control
Panel and how it does work on older ST's. I was wondering if this is going
to be made available to current ST owners?
Also, is there any documentation writteen on how to program "Control Panel
Extensions"?
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Date: 7 Apr 91 07:25:31 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!cmb00.larc.nasa.gov!scott@arizo
na.edu (Scott Yelich)
Subject: The new "Extended Control Panel" for older STs?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> Also, is there any documentation writteen on how to program "Control Panel
> Extensions"?
I like cpanel but it doesn't like GEMINI! Also, I followed the
instructions for changing the SCRAPDIR and TRASHDIR values but it
doesn't seem to work. The trashdir gets moved, but that dern clipbrd
keeps appearing on a hard partition that I don't want things to get
scribbled on. Is this a known bug?
And my usual request:
1) Does anyone have any information on the TOS 1.4 patches for STOS
My STOS is useless right now. :-(
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Date: 5 Apr 91 17:17:46 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.ed
u!emory!gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ricks@arizona.edu (Rick Silverstein)
Subject: Understanding Chaos???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Could someone please explain how Chaos Strike Back is laid out?
I have maps from atari.archive but I'm having a hard time matching
where I am to the maps. You start on level 5. What are the different
colors (char. classes) mean? Where do you go when you get transported
*from* level 4? Help!
Rick
email: ricks@opus-2.Columbia.NCR.COM
P.S. Please send email as I will not be able to read the net for a few
days and don't want to miss the response. Thanks!
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