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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 91 Issue 174
Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 27 Mar 91 Volume 91 : Issue 174
Today's Topics:
1 year warranty and stuff
amiga emulators
Connecting to a Non-atari monitor?
Genealogy programs for the ST
Help with atari.archive (2 msgs)
Laser printer recommendation sought
MEGA-4 + sc1224 (+ maybe MEGAFILE-60) FOR SALE!
MKFS for MiNT (Minix)
newsletter
pink Energizer bunny (2 msgs)
Roland MT-32 Music Card
ST Pad specs
sundog
Switching A SS drive to DS
TT & GCR 3.0 ???
TT Gif Shower
TT REVIEW
Xlisp and windows
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Date: 27 Mar 91 16:57:37 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!bud@arizona.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: 1 year warranty and stuff
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <8218@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul)
writes:
>
>never fom the us mogals
>----
Hmmmm. Hard to argue with THAT.
Bud
--
Dr. William K Glunt | Are you ABNORMAL?
Heh heh nice ring to it!| Then you are probably better than most people!
U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW
home phone 606 258 8864 | WORLD? from _The book of the SubGenius_
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Date: 27 Mar 91 18:59:38 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark
Choi)
Subject: amiga emulators
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Every one repeat after me. There is no such thing, there is no such
thing, there is no such thing....
-geisha-
P.S. The only thing that comes close as far as I know, is a program
called* an amiga emulator, that puts up the thought bubble for a little
bit, and then proptly posts the GURU message on the screen (Plus a natsy
anti amiga message). Not to much different that the real thing. Maybe it
is an amiga emulator after all. Cute.
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Date: 27 Mar 91 17:29:40 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Connecting to a Non-atari monitor?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Help! How can I connect a Zenith Data Systems ZVM-135 RGB Monitor to an
Atari 1040STE? Here's the ZVM-135's connector pinout:
1 - Negative horizontal or negative composite sync*
2 - Positive horizontal or positive composite sync*
3 - NC
4 - Positive vertical or positive composite sync
5 - Green input
6 - Blue input
7 - Red input
8 - NC
9 - NC
10 - Green feedthrough
11 - Apple X1 Input
12 - Apple X2 Input
13 - Apple X3 Input
14 - Negative vertical or negative composite sync
15 - IBM intensity
16 - Ground
17 - NC
18 - Audio input
19 - Ground
20 - Composite video input
21 - Red feedthrough
22 - Blue feedthrough
23 - NC
24 - NC
25 - Apple X8 input
*NOTE: Composite sync must be supplied to both the horizontal and vertical
sync inputs.
Specifications:
inputs ....... DB-25 type connector
R,G, and B signals TTL level analog positive
Composite - TTL positive or negative
Horiz sync - TTL positive or negative
Vert sync - TTL positive or negative
Ground
Audio - .5V to 1V rms.
Audio ground.
Apple III video - (4)
IBM intensity
Composite video.
This monitor is switchable from RGB to Composite. It has an DB-25 RGB
connector and a set of RCA phono type jacks for composite. There was
a message floating around (dated 4 Jan 87) that showed how to connect
a Sony XBR monitor to an ST and it works (I've seen the result). I
realize that I could just use the composite input with the STE but I
would like to use the RGB for obvious reasons. Anybody got any clues????
Bob Malay
malay@sae.com
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Date: 27 Mar 91 22:19:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!hojo@
arizona.edu (HC Johnson)
Subject: Genealogy programs for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar26.223141.10238@rti.rti.org>, ret@rti.rti.org (Raymond
Thomas) writes:
> I have seen at least two commercial genealogy programs written
> for the ST, but havn't yet seen any reviews on them. Before
> rushing out and beta testing them myself I would be interested
> in hearing peoples experiences with genealogy on the ST.
> Specifically, what programs they have used, and how they liked
> them.
>
My 0.02 worth. I looked into this last year. The ST versions are not very
nice, at least compared with MAC and MS/DOS.
The Best for the buck is PAF from the Mormons. MAC and MS/Dos for $39 each.
Mac ones run well on Spectre 128.
Ms/Dos ones run adequately on PC-Ditto (software emulator), and very well
on the hardware emulators.
Howard Johnson
ATT BELL LABS
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
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Date: 27 Mar 91 16:16:55 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sun
ic!news.funet.fi!funic!santra!saha.hut.fi!s37837k@arizona.edu (Jari Lehto)
Subject: Help with atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <GARRICK.91Mar26173454@greyrock.jobs.mso.colostate.edu>
garrick@jobs.mso.colostate.edu (Kevin O. Garrick) writes:
>group and have read quite a bit about atari.archive, but I am unable
>to find any information on how to find it. Could someone please send
>a short reply telling me where atari.archive is and what I need to do
>in order to use it? I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
>
>Kevin Garrick
>garrick@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu
The complete address for atari.archive is atari.archive.umich.edu
and all you have to do is:
ftp atari.archive.umich.edu <ret>
and when the connected... answer arrives and the "your name: (garrick)"
follows, type in "anonymous" <ret>, and then it asks your password,
type in "garrick@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu".
Then "guest login OK, restrictions appear" appears, and the prompt
"ftp>" follows.
You are in now.
This is called "anonymous FTP", (FTP = File Transfer Protocol), and it is
widely used for up- and downloading PD, SW and FW -> free stuff.
The basic ftp commands you need are:
cd changes the directory like in MS-DOS or Unix
dir or ls lists the contents of the directory, wildcards can be used
bin sets the transmission to binary mode, use for packed files and
executable programs and other non-ascii files.
asc sets the transmission to ascii mode, default
get transfers the file given after this command to you
put transfers your file to the remote-end
mget like get, but takes many, wildcards can be used
mput like put, ..........
quit you know...
You can get help about the rest of the commands by typing "?" or "help" in
ftp.
In atari.archive there is a file in the /atari/ -directory called Index,
that holds the names and descriptions of the files available.
It may well be completed now, few days ago there was still some work to do.
ftp is a quite good tool, just find out about it. Try to find a manual or
something about it, it is worth it!
Jartsu
*** Jari Lehto, jartsu@otax.hut.fi, s37837k@saha.hut.fi ***
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Date: 27 Mar 91 23:51:35 GMT
From: uhccux!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@ames.arpa (Warwick
Allison)
Subject: Help with atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <1991Mar27.161655.15195@santra.uucp> s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes:
>The complete address for atari.archive is atari.archive.umich.edu
>and all you have to do is:
>ftp atari.archive.umich.edu <ret>
or, if that fails, try the port address:
ftp 141.211.164.8
Warwick.
--
_--_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.--._/ University of Queensland,
v AUSTRALIA.
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Date: 27 Mar 91 22:09:14 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!laird@arizona.edu (Laird
Popkin)
Subject: Laser printer recommendation sought
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar20.164937.20433@intelhf.hf.intel.com> ajw@watson.hf.intel.com
writes:
>This is a repost, as our news servers are up the creek AGAIN.
>
>I'm looking to buy a laser printer, and would like to be able
>to hook it not only to my 1040ST but also to an AT-class machine.
>
>I need a postscript capability.
>
>My budget starts getting a bit tight around the $3000 mark.
>
>Does anybody have any strong recommendations and/or avoidables
>they'd like to share? Email preferred - I'll summarize.
I can recommend GCC Technologies' BLP II and BLP IIS. For $1999 list
the BLP II is a 4 ppm printer, with 2 Mb RAM expandable to 4 Mb by plugging
in off-the-shelf SIMMs. It also has a SCSI port for attaching a hard drive
for font downloading and precomputing. The BLP IIS, for $2899, is an 8 ppm
printer with the same features. Both printers are based on an LED engine,
so instead of a laser beam with lenses and a rotating mirror they've got a
row of LED's drawing staight onto the drum. Very nice, clean design, and
the output quality is excellent.
The only drawback is that the printers come standard with only a LocalTalk
interface, so you would either need to add LocalTalk to your PC and ST
(PromiseLAN, anyone?) or add the serial and parallel interface option to the
printer ($100 or so). You can contact GCC Technologies at 800/422-7777.
>
>-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
> ajw@watson.hf.intel.com ...uunet!intelhf!watson!ajw
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Date: 27 Mar 91 17:35:29 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis
.pitt.edu!pitt!cuphub!kar7481@arizona.edu
Subject: MEGA-4 + sc1224 (+ maybe MEGAFILE-60) FOR SALE!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Big ST System for sale...
MEGA-4 + COLOR(1224) MONITOR (maybe + MEGAFILE-60)
******* BEST OFFER ! ! ! ********
Less than One year old.
Please reply via E-Mail as I am posting this for a friend.
--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
!AvaST-Development uucp: kar7481@pitt!cuphub.cup.edu !
!Dan Karbowsky,R&D !
!102 Lee Drive Belle Vernon, PA 15012-2016 !
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: 25 Mar 91 14:57:56 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!mucs!logitek!alanh@uunet.uu.net (Alan Hourihane)
Subject: MKFS for MiNT (Minix)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi,
I heard someone mention on this newsgroup about a mkfs program to
create a Minix partition that MiNT will be able to read to gain access to its
superior file handling over TOS. i.e. Greater file lengths , true permissions
etc.
Can anybody tell me if it exists and where to get hold of it ?
Alan Hourihane
email: alanh@logitek.co.uk
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Date: 27 Mar 91 21:35:14 GMT
From: spool.mu.edu!think.com!laird@uunet.uu.net (Laird Popkin)
Subject: newsletter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1189@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> a15@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Peter Heymens Visser)
writes:
>
> ****** - LYNX - Magazine - ******
>
>We are planning a LYNX-maganzine.
There is a Lynx newsletter out currently, called Atari Portable
Entertainment. I don't have the address with me (sorry) but I will try to
locate it. It would make sense for you guys to coordinate with APE, since
there are three or four issues of APE out already. If anyone else knows
how to contact APE, please fill in for me. Thanks!
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Date: 27 Mar 91 20:28:27 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!umich!term
inator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: pink Energizer bunny
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <MbwCIHy00Uh742L7EB@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
writes:
>
>someones bootdisk, and screw with there head for a day or so. The first
>time it happens, boy do their eyes bug out. The pink Energizer bunny
>(from a previous post) would be about the same thing. Someone should do
>it.
>
> -geisha-
Someone put it on one of the mac servers here that serves about 200 machines.
All you could hear was that damn bunny with the drum.
weiner
--
Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu
Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like a beefy tostada
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"
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Date: 27 Mar 91 21:37:11 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!tramp.Colorado.EDU!millert@arizona.edu (MILLER TODD
C)
Subject: pink Energizer bunny
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <MbwCIHy00Uh742L7EB@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
writes:
>
> here is a program out there that at random intervals, and whenever
>there is a disk access, does the following:
> you hear a very faint police siren that gradually gets louder and
>louder. When it reaches max volume, a little police car drives
>across your screen, the pitch changes as the car flies past, and then
>diminishes in volume. The humour of the thing quickly dies, as the
>interval is set to a much to frequent setting, but it is fun to put in
>someones bootdisk, and screw with there head for a day or so. The first
>time it happens, boy do their eyes bug out. The pink Energizer bunny
>(from a previous post) would be about the same thing. Someone should do
>it.
>
> -geisha-
The file is at atari.archive.umich.edu in atari/graphics as siren3.arc
and the delay is cofigurable.
- todd
--
Todd C. Miller | "But all the politiCIAns now
millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | They have no excuse
al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | They just hide behind their power
University of Colorado @ Boulder | And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn
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Date: 28 Mar 91 01:36:49 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!sal-sun8.usc.edu!echeverr@arizon
a.edu (The Black Sheep)
Subject: Roland MT-32 Music Card
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anybody out there have the Roland MT-32 on their computer? If so, I would
love some info and references about it, i might be interested in buying one.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
"I feel the need, the need - for speed!"
- Tom Cruise and Anthony Edwards,
Top Gun
=======
_____ _ /
Ron A. Echeverri | | \ /
BSAE 1994 Univ. of So. California |he |-<lack \heep
e-mail: echeverr%sal8.usc.edu@usc.edu | |_/ /
/
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Date: 27 Mar 91 16:30:30 GMT
From: bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bright@uunet.uu.net (Bob Bright)
Subject: ST Pad specs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2881@atari.UUCP> trh@atari.UUCP (T R Hall) writes:
> You may feel skeptical, but as the designer of the two machines
>announced, I can tell you that "TOS ... with handwritting recognition" is
>FACT, not conjecture. The HCR code will be in the ROMs (and was, in the Demo
>at CeBIT), and tied into the operating system and desktop such that a gesture
>in the Menu Bar area will bring up a window (as invisibly to existing
>applications as possible) into which Hand-written characters are drawn. As you
>write, the characters are converted to ASCII; when you are satisfied, the
>characters are sent (via the Keyboard input stream) to the application. This
>way, _*existing*_ applications will have HCR capabilitites.
This sounds pretty nifty, but will the machine also allow a
normal keyboard to be plugged in? The HCR interface would be very
handy for portable use, but I can type a lot faster than I can write,
and it would be nice to have the option available.
BBB
--
Bob Bright <bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Man R3T 2N2 (204) 474-9105
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Date: 27 Mar 91 11:16:20 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbel
l.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul)
Subject: sundog
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
what the hell is that game about???????
----
ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey
Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil
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Date: 27 Mar 91 22:03:12 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.ed
u!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!sage.cc.purdue.edu!stevendd@arizona.edu (Doug Stevens)
Subject: Switching A SS drive to DS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I finally desided to upgrade my single sided drive, I just got the new drive
today. I thought all I had to was swap drives. The plug from the small board
in the drive case isn't the same as the one one the drive. The connector on the
board is for 14 pins, the drive connector is 34 pins. I rember reading some of
the early single sided drives used an old kind of connector (guess what kind I
got). If you know how to convert the plugs I would be very appreciative.
Thanks.
- Doug
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Date: 27 Mar 91 18:43:42 GMT
From: brunix!brownvm.brown.edu!mjv@uunet.uu.net (Marshall Vale)
Subject: TT & GCR 3.0 ???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <12499@hydra.Helsinki.FI> luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
writes:
> Is there anybody out there with a TT & spectre GCR 3.0 (the newest ??)
Er, no but I do have GCR 3 and a Mega4. TT's just aren't here (US) yet.
> - Does it really work ?? How? ... any problems with mac
software/peripherals
In the Gadget's newsletter, Dave claims it works just great on the TT.
As for version 3 of the software, it works wonderfully!! All the major
programs work without a hitch.
> - what kind of a floppy drive format does 3.0 use...
Standard Mac 800K (HFS) and 400K (MFS) disks. However, Gadget's have
gotten the Mac to think it has one of the new SWIM disk controller
chips in it. On the Mac, it allows you to use 1.44 floppys and read
Ms-dos disks. So this means that you can easily copy files from ST
to Mac with programs such as Apple File Exchange or DosMounter.
> - how about TT's hard disk (scsi) does it work on TT&dma hard disk ??
Not quite sure what you're asking here...
> - what about my old st1040f with tos 1.1 or 1.2 or something like that
???
Yup, works fine. Although I'd recommend you get at least 2 megs of
software and a hard drive to do anything decent.
> - can it (gcr) use the mac type lan in TT ???
The next update of the software will work with the LocalTalk TT port.
> is it worth buying ??
Oh YEAH! Works great, great support and....it's worth the money.
If you have anymore questions, just ask!
Marshall
*******************************************************************
-> Internet: mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
"He had found the perfect TV mix, on Marvin's Hour of Power.
(The show that put the FUN back into fundamentalist)."
-- Neil Gaiman; Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of
Agnes Nutter, Witch
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Date: 27 Mar 91 17:53:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.
ecn.purdue.edu!cb.ecn.purdue.edu!whitehe@arizona.edu (Drew D Whitehead)
Subject: TT Gif Shower
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello. My user group, Purdue Atari Users Group, is going to be able demo an
Atari TT in two weeks. I am looking for any good TT demos and espically any
able to show Gif pictures in the TT higher resolution modes. Please let me
know by e-mail if anybody has any TT programs to impress the group.
Thanks in advance
Drew Whitehead
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Date: 28 Mar 91 02:37:35 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc
.edu!baffoni@arizona.edu (Juxtaposer)
Subject: TT REVIEW
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2884@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
>
>If you have a VME card, you lose the Serial 1 and Serial 2 connectors,
>unless you mess with your case (and probably void your warranty): the
>connectors appear in the (otherwise empty) VME slot.
>
>As for "checklist engineering," we did it this way because the serial port
>is free if you're not using the LAN connector: if you don't use the LAN
>port, would you rather have that serial port, or nothing?
I realize that the LAN and Serial 2 are run by the same _chip_, but what about
physical ports themselves:
If you have a VME card, you lose the Serial1 and Serial 2 connectors: But
does that also mean that you lose the LAN connector as well? Or are you
just refering to the connector with all the modem signals (except RI)?
If you lose the LAN too, that would be a silly thing to do: you can either
hook yourself into a network OR you can use <insert hardware extra like RAM,
etc.>, but you can't use both. You shouldn't have to make that kind of a
choice!
>
>============================================
>Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
>reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
Thanks!
-Mike
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Date: 27 Mar 91 15:40:16 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!utdoe!david@arizona.edu (David Megginson)
Subject: Xlisp and windows
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In <ERICCO.91Mar26232949@sdaf1.ssl.berkeley.edu>, Eric C. Olson writes:
> I've started developing an object oriented window system for the
> Atari. Has somebody already done this? If so, what was your
> approach (and how can I get it)? If not, perhaps you'll be amused
> at my attempt.
>
Well, obviously you will want this system to be able to multi-task.
Instead of writing the code yourself, you might think about using
Eric Smith's MiNT, which adds BSD-type extensions to TOS. You can
re-compile XLISP with GCC and ES's MiNT library to use MiNT by default.
MiNT will make it easier to put BIOS i/o into windows, manage multiple
threads of the same program, etc. etc.
BTW, to try out your ideas, try using XLISP under MGR. MGR is a
windowing system where all graphics, window management etc. is done
with escape sequences, and it runs on the ST under MiNT (ie. you draw
circles, open and resize windows, pass messages, etc., the same way
that you turn inverse video on and off on the vt52!!). You could write
all of the MGR code IN XLISP first (just print the appropriate escape
sequences to the screen), and then hard-code it into C if you want to.
The advantages of using MGR are that you can concentrate on the high-
level logic of your project instead of the nitty-gritty details of getting
BIOS output into GEM windows, etc. Also, your XLISP code will be portable
to Unix or Mac machines running MGR (Minix may soon have MGR too), so
you are looking at a much larger potential user base.
It sounds like an excellent idea, and I hope that it works out for you.
You will need at least 2 megs to use MiNT and MGR, I should add.
--
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/ David Megginson david@doe.utoronto.ca /
/ Centre for Medieval Studies meggin@vm.epas.utoronto.ca /
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