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Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 16 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 213
Today's Topics:
BackupST authors e-mail address?
Dump TOS in ROM into a .IMG file ?
GDOS/TT/TTM195
Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking...
Posting Z*net International (2 msgs)
Posting Z*Net International 3rd request!
ST to Multisync Adapters
The language named C (2 msgs)
The Mega STE
TIME cards, etc?
TT hard disk chaining
VOTE NOW!
Weird TT hard disk thingy
Z*Net International (2 msgs)
Znet sizes
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Date: 15 Apr 91 13:14:23 GMT
From:
math.fu-berlin.de!fub!geminix.in-berlin.de!tertius.in-berlin.de!gaertner@uunet.
uu.net
Subject: BackupST authors e-mail address?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hi Net,
could someone send me the e-mail address of the BackupST author? I tried to
send him short mail at fred@cv.ruu.nl , but it came back with "host unknown".
Thanks Ralf
--------
Ralf Gaertner gaertner@venus.rz-berlin.mpg.de
FHI Berlin
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Date: 16 Apr 91 03:58:13 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.col
umbia.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu
(Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: Dump TOS in ROM into a .IMG file ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr11.104635@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM>
obourdon@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM writes:
>Does someone know how to dump the TOS that is in ROM into
>a .IMG file so that it can be put on a disk for booting purposes
>All answers and pointers welcome. (even only ROM addresses ...)
Oh my GOD! Now that would be illegal! :-)
Believe me, you don't want a ROM image of that stuff anyway...
I've tried wading through it, it's hopeless.
Amicalement,
Christophe
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Chris Mauritz |Show me the way to the
cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |next whiskey bar...
cmm1@msb.com |-The Doors-
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Date: 16 Apr 91 16:16:12 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!login@arizona.edu
Subject: GDOS/TT/TTM195
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I want to thank Ron Grant, GXR Systems in Vancouver, for helping me out
with the assign.sys format for GDOS to run on a TT with a TTM195.
The trick is to put 08p screen.sys to 10p screen.sys lines in,
along with the fonts for the 04p screen.sys driver. Thank goodness that
there are users out there who can help.
Can someone post the address of Fearn & Music from Stuttgart Germany. I
need info on the init that lets me print to an SLM605 in GCR mode.
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Date: 16 Apr 91 05:12:55 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
(Warwick Allison)
Subject: Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>How about Player/Missile Graphics for at least the *&~% mouse cursor,
>I can not believe that in the nineties we still got to erase the cursor,
>draw something, turn it on again, erase the cursor draw something , turn
>it on again (*)
:
>(*)Probably the Amiga does that right
I can not believe that in the nineties there are STILL people who want
hardware to provide anything but the bare essentials.
Hardware sprites are just crap. How many do you want? 16 enough? 256?
and how shall you allocate them to processes? They would be just another
pain-in-the-neck limited resource. But faster you say? Maybe in the old
days of 8-bit computers they were worthwhile: when the processors were
slow and the graphics was poor quality anyway.
"at least [for] the [fucking] mouse cursor" you say? Yeah, sure, then
EVERY game every made would use the mouse pointer as a sprite, sending
mouse motion packets to the OS to make it mouse. Hey, great! :-)
Ciao,
Warwick.
ps. Why do we whinge so much about our machines? From the crap PD stuff
I've seen around, and the crap commercial stuff, Atari users need to
learn a bit of computer science before they cry to the designers about
missing features. Personally, I think the ST is a fine machine.
--
_--_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.--._/ University of Queensland,
v AUSTRALIA.
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Date: 16 Apr 91 03:11:12 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Posting Z*net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
[In article <1991Apr16.072035.7582@kcbbs.gen.nz>,
Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes ... ]
> This is request number two for those wanting Z*net International posted
> to this news group. Please email jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz
[... and, in <1991Apr16.072427.7672@kcbbs.gen.nz>]
> This is the third and final request for those wishing Z*Net International
> to this news group comp.sys.atari.st. Votes will close Monday the 22nd
> of April 1991.
These ``calls for votes'' give the appearance of an attempt to follow
Usenet guidelines, but ... c'mon, Jon, are you joking? They were posted
less than four minutes apart!
> Date: 16 Apr 91 07:20:35 GMT (call No. 2)
> Date: 16 Apr 91 07:24:27 GMT (call No. 3)
(I also point out that the Usenet guidelines for newsgroup creation
have many more requirements than simply getting a majority.)
Please don't force 70-kilobyte ``magazines'' through the thousands of
systems carrying comp.sys.atari.st just to satisfy a couple of dozen
people who have not bothered to subscribe to the mailing list.
To be added to the list, send email to:
stzmagazine-request@virginia.edu.
Greg Lindahl has been running this service for a year or so.
----
Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org
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Date: 16 Apr 91 03:15:48 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Posting Z*net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
<chuckle>
... I just realized that 16 Apr 91 07:20:35 GMT
and 16 Apr 91 07:24:27 GMT haven't happened yet.
You aren't watching too much Dr. Who, are you, Jon? :-)
----
Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org
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Date: 16 Apr 91 00:09:22 GMT
From: haven!uvaarpa!murdoch!astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@purdue.edu (Greg
Lindahl)
Subject: Posting Z*Net International 3rd request!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <14250@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> sytang@euclid.math.colostate.edu.UUCP
(Shoou-yu Tang) writes:
>
> Isn't each issuse of znet more than 10KB or so in size? Wouldn't it waste a
lot of
> banwidth to send it all over the world?
Each issue is between 40k and 100k in size. Last time posting was
proposed lots of people screamed because of the cost; that's why I
offered to run a mailing list in the first place.
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Date: 16 Apr 91 12:31:35 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!execu!sequoia!natinst!glens@ariz
ona.edu (Glen Sescila)
Subject: ST to Multisync Adapters
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Is anybody using the Practical Solutions "Monitor Master" that
can reccomend it? Also does it have an audio jack since monitors don't
have audio support?
Thanks,
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Date: 15 Apr 91 13:32:19 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-s
tate.edu!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!r
macgreg@arizona.edu (Sorcerer)
Subject: The language named C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Apr12.054754.7583@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu>
kllove@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love) writes:
>
>This summer I'm going to be teaching myself how to program in C. My
>biggest (and brightest?) question is: "Which version of C is the best?".
There are only 2 'versions' of C ANSI and K&R. The 2 are fairly similar and it
is easy to get a compiler for either version. At the end of the day the
differences are cosmetic so it doesn't matter.
>I realize that many factors could influence my (or someone else's) opinion.
>So, I'm going to list a few.
>
>The code must be somewhat portable between systems (i.e. Is there a standard
>and how far do the ST versions diverge from it?)
There is a standard, and the ST versions I've used don't diverge from it (why
else bother with standards?).
>The company support must be existant.
Dunno about this, I use Sozobon which is PD.
>Are there good books available for the learning of this version of C?
>(Or would any book on C be sufficient?)
Depends on what you know. If you have a good knowledge of Pascal then I would
recommend 'C for Pascal Programmers'. Mail me if you want more info on it.
>Would it be better if I knew something about the internals of the ST?
>(Is C like Pascal in that knowing the system hardware is uneccesary?)
>
>If I am fluent in Pascal, how difficult is C to learn?
>(Are they different conceptually? i.e. pointers = what in C? Does C have
> some things that Pascal doesn't? etc.)
Knowledge of the internals is only necessary if you want to do some low level
programming.
C is fairly easy to learn from Pascal, the 2 being very similar (names vary
and the symbols change, but there isn't that much difference). The above
book is what I used to learn C, and I have to know it for University. C does
have a few things Pascal doesn't (like bit level manipulation, and some
intelligence) but thats about it.
>Is Turbo C going to be released in English? (I have NO desire to learn
>German, especially if all I was going to do with it was work with Turbo.)
>
>What kind of editor do the various versions use? (I like 'vi' over 'ed'
>anyday! :) (Is the mouse supported?)
Most come without any editor, and those that do can usually be used with any
editor you want. I use First Word Plus because I'm used to it and like it.
>Does C use anything like a CLI or is it GEM only? (I use 'csh' on the Unix
>system here at Okla. U. Does C use a shell like 'csh'?)
This will depend upon what you buy. Many don't come with a shell, though some
do. My own choice is either Mupfel (from Gemini) or Gulam if you've got the
disk space to spare (the one I'm using is only about 70 Kb, which is all I've
got to put it in!). Basically any shell you want will do.
>Can I use any of the versions of C without a hard drive? (I don't have
>one and it may be next fall before I do get one.)
Some versions are recommended for use with hard drives, though you can use
most of them from floppy. Having said that you will probably require at least
1 Mb of memory for some versions, possibly more.
>How much does the language(s) and book(s) cost?
Again, this will depend on where you go. My compiler cost me nothing as its
PD (and yes, I do recommend Sozobon). Books can cost anything, it depends
upon who they are aimed at.
>That's all I can think of. (I think I hear cries of, "Isn't that enough?"...
>Nahhh... Couldn't be! :)
The Sorcerer is 'Only visiting this planet' but can be found at:
JANET: cadx862@uk.ac.strathclyde.computer-centre-sun
cadp15 @uk.ac.strathclyde.vaxb
INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk BITNET: via ukacrl UUCP: via ukc.uucp
or second star to the right and straight on 'till morning.
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Date: 16 Apr 91 13:42:57 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!ws
u-cs!jake!pbh@arizona.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: The language named C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>(in response to a query about editors and C compilers)
I use CBREEZE with Mark Williams C. With a windows-based computer it's
almost ridiculous to have to battle it out with VI or emacs. Sure, a
gem based editor won't be available on other platforms, but if you know
an editor on those other platforms then what's the problem? CBREEZE
isn't a hard learn (move cursor up, move cursor down, use mouse to move
scroll bars, no [ESC] 9 L here!) and it comes with a customizer for
Mark Williams so you can link, compile and pass parameters to the MWC
compiler directly from the menu bar. The docs say you can even
customize it for other compilers (GCC, Sobozon) but I haven't tried it
since I gave up on GCC. CBREEZE is a Michtron product, and they've
moved so I can't give you an address. However, it's still advertized in
ST mags so I'm sure you can find it.
--
Patrick B. Haggood
Wayne STate University
Detroit, MI
Physics - Class of 1991 (-2?)
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 91 13:00:45 MEZ
From: Michael Burschik <UPP201%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: The Mega STE
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Having grown out of my good old ST, I am now trying to decide whether to
buy a Mega STE or a TT. I am gravitating towards the Mega STE, but I am
still undecided. Hence, I would be grateful for helpful comments on the
performance and the software compatibility of the new machine. As far as
I know there are not yet any AT hardware emulators for the Mega STE - is
this correct, and if so, does anyone know when to expect one? And then I
am interested in your opinion on multisync monitors: are they worth the
money and do they make life more difficult for software? Thanks for your
prolific replies.
Cheers.
Mike.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
: "Wer, wenn ich schriee, hoerte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?" :
+-----------------------------+--------------------------------------+
: Michael Burschik : CENTAURI - Terran Edition :
: Breite Strasse 51 : Das Magazin fuer Science Fiction und :
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: Federal Republic of Germany : Gnadenlos gut. :
: upp201@dbnrhrz1.BITNET : Vol 1-5 still available. :
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Date: 16 Apr 91 15:58:27 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid)
Subject: TIME cards, etc?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello,
I been using an ST for around 4 years and have finally decided
it would be nice to have an internal ( or cartridge based ) time mechanism
to keep track of the time. All my files and things have the original
system time on them and it would just be nice to know WHAT time it actually
is when I'm on the system. My first question:
Does anyone have an old time system they want to get rid of? Sell?
Second question: What are peoples opinions for the BEST and CHEAPEST
( two categories ) time systems?
Thanks,
--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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Date: 16 Apr 91 12:21:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
(Claus Brod)
Subject: TT hard disk chaining
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes:
>I have a buddy who just got a TT. He wishes to connect his 80mb Supra to
>the machine (which already has a HD), thus having access to both drives. He
>did this by plugging the Supra into the DMA socket on the back of the machine.
>The internal hard disk uses the Atari HD software, and is at SCSI 0 (thus is
>the boot drive). His Supra is set at SCSI 1.
Let him set the ACSI target number of the Supra drive to 0. This will cure
your problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 16 Apr 91 05:19:47 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
(Warwick Allison)
Subject: VOTE NOW!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
WATCH OUT! SOMEONE MAY BE PULLING A SWIFTY!
>> This is the third and final request for those wishing Z*Net International
[to be posted]
>>to this news group comp.sys.atari.st. Votes will close Monday the 22nd
>>of April 1991.
Yeah sure, and who knew about the call for votes? I didn't: because
I am NOT interested in Z*net much (I occasionally read issues from
atari.archive), SO I IGNORED ALL THE Z*NET TALK!
Send votes to:
>> Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz or reply direct to this newsgroup.
--
_--_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.--._/ University of Queensland,
v AUSTRALIA.
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Date: 16 Apr 91 09:53:06 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!pipe!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey
Boyd)
Subject: Weird TT hard disk thingy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
My friend managed to get his external Supra HD connected to his TT
(which has an internal SCSI device). The TT differentiates between
SCSI and ASCI devices. The internal drive is set at SCSI 0, so my
friend set his Supra at SCSI 1, so they would not confict. This
turned out to be the problem. BOTH drives had to be set to SCSI 0
to work. Extremely weird. Anyone have an explination?
--
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
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Date: 16 Apr 91 01:15:15 GMT
From: cucstud!msymiste@uunet.uu.net (Milton Symister)
Subject: Z*Net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <5483@mindlink.UUCP>, Bill_Moore@mindlink.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>
> I agree. ZNET is available in a number of different places. Let us
> not waste bandwidth posting it here.
> ...bill
Its very nice that ZNET is available in a number of different places
but I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that do not have access
to it or else their sources can sometimes be unreliable( its happend
to me). And besides ONE message a week... ok ONE LONG message a week
is not going to waste bandwith. Its going to help people and if
you already get ZNET just press 'n'.
peace,
Milton Symister
uunet!cucstud!msymiste
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Date: 16 Apr 91 15:28:58 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.e
du!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Z*Net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2326@cuc1.UUCP> msymiste@cucstud.UUCP (Milton Symister) writes:
>In article <5483@mindlink.UUCP>, Bill_Moore@mindlink.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>>
>> I agree. ZNET is available in a number of different places. Let us
>> not waste bandwidth posting it here.
>> ...bill
>
> Its very nice that ZNET is available in a number of different places
> but I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that do not have access
> to it or else their sources can sometimes be unreliable( its happend
Let's see, direct mail from Greg, ftp to atari.archive, or mail service from
bart. I'm quite certain that at least one of these is ALWAYS operational.
> to me). And besides ONE message a week... ok ONE LONG message a week
> is not going to waste bandwith. Its going to help people and if
One short message a month is a waste of bandwidth. All of these
messages about this whole thing is a waste of bandwidth.
> you already get ZNET just press 'n'.
>
This just gets better by the minute, doesn't it?
>
> peace,
> Milton Symister
> uunet!cucstud!msymiste
weiner
--
Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu
Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like to be the pope
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"
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Date: 16 Apr 91 15:45:38 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!te
rminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Znet sizes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 35223 Jan 13 09:59 znet9101.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 22335 Jan 22 10:00 znet9102.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 27294 Jan 22 11:10 znet9103.txt.Z
-rw-rw-rw- 1 weiner 29852 Feb 7 13:06 znet9104.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 43271 Feb 13 22:44 znet9105.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 25429 Feb 19 21:14 znet9106.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 29300 Feb 24 18:52 znet9107.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 21822 Mar 10 11:58 znet9108.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 33690 Mar 20 09:40 znet9109.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 30813 Mar 16 20:55 znet9110.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 32690 Apr 15 09:17 znet9111.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 32467 Apr 15 09:17 znet9112.txt.Z
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 33148 Apr 15 09:17 znet9113.txt.Z
Above is a list of the znets we've recieved this year. Please
not their COMPRESSED sizes.
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 71895 Jan 13 09:59 znet9101.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 43586 Jan 22 10:00 znet9102.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 58521 Jan 22 11:10 znet9103.txt
-rw-rw-rw- 1 weiner 60980 Feb 7 13:06 znet9104.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 87134 Feb 13 22:44 znet9105.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 49873 Feb 19 21:14 znet9106.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 59404 Feb 24 18:52 znet9107.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 42084 Mar 10 11:58 znet9108.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 66796 Mar 20 09:40 znet9109.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 61512 Mar 16 20:55 znet9110.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 67606 Apr 15 09:17 znet9111.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 67133 Apr 15 09:17 znet9112.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 weiner 69040 Apr 15 09:17 znet9113.txt
Here's a list of the sizes, uncompressed. Quite a bit bigger wouldn't
you say???? Also, while I have your attention, that yes, we have
a complete set. We get them all. We do it in a way that passes each
issue by as few machines as possible.
Have a nice day,
weiner
--
Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu
Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like to be the pope
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"
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