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Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 28 Mar 91 Volume 91 : Issue 176
Today's Topics:
Atari ST Graphics and C
Basic hardware upgrade help / resources sought
Copying protected disks
Empire (3 msgs)
Help with CAL47
Hybrid Arts Sequencers?
Info about WHATTAHE demo?
MacRecorder
Rogue
SC1224 monitor for sale
ST Pad specs
TT questions (3rd posting/still no replies)
Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT (2 msgs)
Undo key on Uniterm
Who has Spectre GCR 3.0 _IN STOCK_ right now?
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Date: 28 Mar 91 20:48:40 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sarah!leah.albany.edu!ad0834@arizona.ed
u (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Atari ST Graphics and C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Hello -
I'm wondering if anyone could give me some information on
Atari ST AES/VDI calls. I am using the Sozobon C development system
and I have the bindings for these calls, but I can't seem to find
anything on what the calls actually are! Everything I read seems to
assume that I own a copy of the ST Development Toolkit, which I don't.
Does anyone know of any documentation I might be able to find
online which would explain how to use these calls?
- Thanks
Andy Dickinson
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Date: 26 Mar 91 23:41:19 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!csn!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slp9m@a
rizona.edu
Subject: Basic hardware upgrade help / resources sought
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
While I have been a 1040 ST owner for several years, I have never
really been in touch with the ST world. I bought the machine and
put it to work on a few simple tasks which it has been performing
faithfully for about the past four years. Recently, thanks in a
good measure to this newsgroup, I have decided to get more use out
of the ol' Atari. As a result of this increased activity, I am
now desirous of upgrading the system and am looking for some
expert information and/or pointers to same. While I have picked
up on related threads in this newsgroup, I am constantly reading
assumptions that may or may not be correct into the postings. I
really need to start back at square one on a lot of these issues.
(I say square one in regards to my familiarity with the particular
machine, not computers in general.)
Here are the most urgent issues:
1. Memory upgrades. How to do them. What are the alternatives (I
gather from what I read that there's more than one method)?
2. Adding hard drives. What type of drives work? What kind of
controller do I need. Who makes a good controller and where do I
get one? I prefer to assemble one from a controller, drive, etc.
as opposed to a plug & play model.
Then there are some others, not quite as urgent:
3. OS upgrades. I am running TOS 1.0. I assume this means
changing the ROMs. Is this true? Where do I get a set? Maybe
this should be in the urgent category, but I don't know better.
4. Mouse alternatives. I hate the switches in my original Atari
mouse. Are there other mice that work? I just popped the mouse
open and it appears to be a simple matter to change the switches,
if I can find better ones. If anyone knows of a good source for
better switches, I'd appreciate hearing about it.
All advice is welcome. However, I am sure that most of the
information I seek has been well documented in a number of places.
I would especially appreciate receiving references to books and
articles (as well as good places to obtain same). I also need to
be advised of recommendable sources for mail order hardware.
E-mail or, in cases where it seems appropriate, posted responses
are welcome.
Based on my past experience with this group, I feel completely
justified in offering many, many thanks in advance.
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Date: 28 Mar 91 18:38:31 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!isi.edu!cew@arizona.edu (Craig E.
Ward)
Subject: Copying protected disks
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar25.232949.6618@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
(Van Snyder) writes:
>I have some software from belly-up folks, on protected disks. I'd like to
>make backups. I'm not trying to rip off somebody's copyright.
>
>Are there any programs that copy protected disks?
I use "Copy II ST" from Central Point Software, Inc., 9700 SW Capitol Hwy.
#100, Portland, OR 97219, telephone (503) 244-5782. I don't use it a lot, but
it has worked for the few games I have that had protected disks. I don't
know if they've come out with new versions for Mega STs or TTs.
--
Craig E. Ward <cew@venera.isi.edu> Slogan: "nemo me impune lacessit"
USPS: USC/Information Sciences Institute
4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 1200
Marina del Rey, CA 90292
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Date: 28 Mar 91 07:58:49 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
.edu!emory!ogicse!usenet!prism.CS.ORST.EDU!thaanuj@arizona.edu (John Thaanum)
Subject: Empire
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Do any of you out there know of a port to the ST of the Un*x game "Empire"?
My roommate just ftp'd the IBM version, and he has read that there is also
an Amiga version. Addresses of ftp sites would be most appreciated...
Thanks,
John Thaanum thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
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Date: 28 Mar 91 20:58:41 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs
!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!erkamp@arizona.edu (Bob Erkamp)
Subject: Empire
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1991Mar28.075849.24430@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU
(John Thaanum) writes:
>Do any of you out there know of a port to the ST of the Un*x game "Empire"?
>My roommate just ftp'd the IBM version, and he has read that there is also
>an Amiga version. Addresses of ftp sites would be most appreciated...
>
>Thanks,
>
>John Thaanum thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
There is a commercial version of this from Interstel that is really quite good
and allows up to 3 players (2 can be either human or computer) and has a very
nice user interface.
Bob
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Date: 29 Mar 91 06:00:11 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!tmpmbx!lime!techno@uunet.uu.net (Techno)
Subject: Empire
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Empire has been implemeted by Interstel Inc. . Unfortunatly it is not PD.
Hope this helps,
Techno
--
| techno@zelator.in-berlin.de ||| Please do not e-mail from outside Germany ! |
| techno@lime.in-berlin.de / | \ Hardcore ST user ! ====================== |
| Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it sometime. |
| (Al Stewart) |
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Date: 28 MAR 91 11:19:17 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: Help with CAL47
To: <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
Bruno BARSELLA writes, "I have downloaded CAL47 from atari.archive...and
the program complains about a 'file not found'...."
~ I noticed that also. My solution was simple. I discovered that CAL47
took the directory that my shell program was in, that is, the NeoDesk folder.
I had placed the CAL47.ACC in the my root directory. No wonder it could not
find CAL47.ACC to update!!! Check your File Selector box and find out
where the computer has you located. grin... You've got to be where
CAL47.ACC is.
~ I've a feeling that is your problem. If you are using the path file
that the docs refer to, then I can't help. I just stuck the accessory where
all my others are, the root directory.
~ Hope this helps. CAL47 is the slickest calendar that I've seen for the ST!
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> | ATARI ST USERS OF EAST TEXAS
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Date: 28 Mar 91 21:05:08 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs
!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!erkamp@arizona.edu (Bob Erkamp)
Subject: Hybrid Arts Sequencers?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <1540012@hpcc01.HP.COM> wright@hpcc01.HP.COM (Jeff Wright) writes:
>Has anybody used the Hybrid Arts "EditTrack II" or newer "EditTrack
>Gold" sequencers? I'm thinking of replacing my obsolete sequencer
>with something a little newer, and I'm attracted to Hybrid Arts
>because I own their EZ-Score software. My needs are fairly basic, I'm
>looking for something that has:
>
> o Graphical sequence/track editing
> o "Song" editing by measures or sequences
> o User-definable quantization
> o Import/Export standard MIDI files
> o Runs on 1040ST (1M RAM) with color monitor
>
>I'm also considering Dr. T's Tiger Cub software, but it doesn't seem
>to have any kind of song editing, and 12 tracks seems a bit limiting.
>
>Please post if you have any comments on the Hybrid Arts packages or
>any other suggestions.
>
Well I have SMPTE-TRACK II (EDITTRACK II with SMPTE) and a friend of mine has
Tiger Cub. I think these are both very good packages but the Hybrid Arts
package can definetly do a LOT more that Tiger Cub. I suspect both of them will
do what you want (Not sure what you mean by "Song" editing). It certainly does
the rest.
Bob
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Date: 28 Mar 91 14:07:44 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!wa
ikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu
Subject: Info about WHATTAHE demo?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Distribution:world
In article <1991Mar25.184418.3705@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
> In article <2806@shodha.enet.dec.com>, jamie@defoe.enet.dec.com () writes:
> >I'd MSA some demos myself (I've got maybe 30 disks worth of demos) but
> >the MSA program
> >seems to require TWO disk drives. Me with just one drive is left cold!
> >
> >If anyone has a version of Magic Shadow that works with a single drive
> >then please let me have a copy and I'll start uploading these demos
> >myself.
> >
> >Some of the best are : European Demo, Mindbomb, Skidz Row, Decade, Dark
>
> I believe the latest version of MSA is 1.03, and I have MSA'ed many disks
> with only one drive by using a large ramdisk (to write the .msa file to).
> If this does not work for you, perhaps your version is dated? I could
> probably email you my version, or you could get it from atari.archive.
>
> See ya!
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
> Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear
> FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down
> Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
> email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu |
> ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Try ULTRA, this lets you set the Config, for the disks that you are using
but works the same as Magic Shadow..
--
Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
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Date: 28 Mar 91 15:06:53 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizona.e
du (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: MacRecorder
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Does anyone have MacRecorder working through Spectre? If so,
how does it work and how do you hook up the hardware?
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
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Date: 28 Mar 91 08:48:48 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu@arizona.edu (Sean
Sterling Foiles)
Subject: Rogue
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I've updated to Tos 1.4 and the game Rogue no longer works. I bought
a brand new copy, only to return it to the store.
I wonder if it's the program's fault (after all, it was written long before
the Tos updates), or something else.
If you have Rogue working properly on a Tos 1.4 system, please e-mail me.
Thanks,
Sean Sterling Foiles / Univ. Texas Comp Sci Grad / sean@happy.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: 28 Mar 91 03:23:51 GMT
From:
arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!bbn.com!ulowell!woods.ulowell.edu!cote
b@arizona.edu
Subject: SC1224 monitor for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
For sale: SC1224 color monitor for sale. Very good condition. $250 +
shipping. Call 508-683-5348 after 6pm est if interested. Thank you.
Brian Cote
samsung!aspen.ulowell.edu!coteb (uucp)
coteb@woods.ulowell.edu (usually what the from header says, but it usually
doesn't work, but the top two do!!!)
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Date: 28 Mar 91 16:53:46 GMT
From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!bbn.com!nic!kira!news@arizona.edu
(Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: ST Pad specs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <27E916DD.17265@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>,
by johns@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Conan the Barbarian):
most of article omitted...
> The CeBIT article came from a local BBS. The specs on the ST Pad
> and ST Book came from Atari's BBS here in Markham. They even set up a
> special area for these computers on the BBS already.
>
Speaking of CeBIT, what news of TT Sys V R4? I heard it was supposed
to be introduced there, I know Amiga Sys V R4 is there. I am just a
little cynical about an Atari Unix introduction any time soon - come
on guys, make me eat those words! 8-)
Ciao,
Bob Pegram
pegram@griffin.uvm.edu
or
!uvm-gen!pegram
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1991 08:52:00 -0500
From: CSULLOGG@CRL.AECL.CA
Subject: TT questions (3rd posting/still no replies)
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
As a TT user, life is pretty lonely right now. I keep posting questions
on the net about TT compatible software but I do not get any responses.
If anyone has an answer to any of the following, please post a reply:
1. Is there a terminal emulation package (VT100/240,etc) that works on
the TT in TT screen modes (Flash and Uniterm have to be in ST
screen mode).
2. Do any of the PC emulators work on the TT (ATOnce, ATSpeed, Delta-
Modul, SuperCharger). I want minimum AT emulation but would prefer
386 performance.
3. When will Pagestream be fixed to work on a TT (Calamus works in
ST screen modes and sort of works in TT screen mode).
4. Has Signum been updated for the TT? (Tex works well but I hate
the command interface).
5. NeoDesk 3 requires a warm reboot to change rez on the TT, thus
making it unusable because I have to change rez often. Will this
be worked around in the future.
6. I spoke with the developer of Revolver and there is no plan for an
upgrade to the TT (ST versions did not sell very well). Pity,
the ST/TT without Revolver is a drag. Anyone else working on a TT
task switcher (I could retire before UNIX is ready).
7. MVG works only in ST high rez; any plans for a TT screen mode fix?
8. Turtle and Megamin will not work on the TT; any plans for an upgrade?
9. Will EasyDraw be recompiled for the 68030/68882; it would scream!
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Date: 28 Mar 91 10:19:34 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!irisa!priol@uunet.uu.net (Thierry Priol)
Subject: Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From article <2885@atari.UUCP>, by trh@atari.UUCP (T R Hall):
> 1) I didn't include a monitor port for a couple of reasons:
> A) Power
> The graphics shifter/video drive circuitry uses almost as much
> power as the rest of the system put together. Since the machine
> is specifically designed for PORTABLE usage, I made the (fairly
> reasonable) assumption that you aren't going to carry a color/mono
> monitor around with you.
Have you an idea about the battery life for the ST Book ?
--
Thierry PRIOL Phone: 99 36 20 00
IRISA / INRIA U.R. Rennes Fax: 99 38 38 32
Campus Universitaire de Beaulieu Telex: UNIRISA 950 473F
35042 RENNES CEDEX - FRANCE E-mail: priol@irisa.fr
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Date: 28 Mar 91 22:52:50 GMT
From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Two New Computer Announcements - CeBIT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 27-Mar-91 Re: Two New Computer
> Announ.. T R Hall@atari.UUCP (3687)
> If you look at the so-called competition (Intel-based machines) I think
> you will find that the "note-book" sized units include EITHER a
> floppy
> or a hard disk, but not both. Since this machine was mosty
> intended to
> allow desktop-ATARI users to take specific data/applications
> with them
> on the road
This is just not true. I have looked at the intel based notebooks, and
they do usually have both. Oh well. I just disagree with the design
concept here. To get ten hours of battery life by tossing out everything
including the kitchen sink, is not "innovative power management" or
however it was refered to in the news release.
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 27-Mar-91 Re: Two New Computer
> Announ.. T R Hall@atari.UUCP (3687)
> Look for high-density floppies, both in desktop machines and in an
> external (probably battery-operated) floppy drive for the ST notebook
> (or whatever its final name is). We may be slow, but we ain't
> Blind/Dumb.
Does this mean that the notebook floopy controller *WILL* support 1.44
meg drives? Also, if you are lookinig at a battery powered floppy, and
batterylife was the problem with putting a floppy in the notebook, why
not just add more batteries to the notebook? As for the last statement
Atari employees like yourself seem to be terrific. But Atari the
company. It *is* Blind/Dumb! And excruciatingly slow as well.
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 27-Mar-91 Re: Two New Computer
> Announ.. T R Hall@atari.UUCP (3687)
> Both the STPad and STBook have an "expansion" port that includes all
> address and data lines, bus control lines, R/W and a number of ROM
> select lines. ALL of the signals needed for the "cartridge port" are
> present on "expansion port", so a conversion device need only consist
> of two connectors, a PC-board, and a housing. I'm sure some
> enterprising developer will make such available at a reasonable price.
> Even better, maybe "cartridges" will be upgraded to take advantage of
> new features.
This, however, is great news, and cool as hell. I bet GBS *will*
redesign the board, if the price point for the notebook is right. If so,
and the Atari notebook (STacey feminine, my suggested name) will seel
well as the first truely poratable mac, as well as a good PC, and Atari
as well. Maybe then people would get interested ion software for native
modes, as well as software for their emulations, and the software market
for the ST would take off.
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 27-Mar-91 Re: Two New Computer
> Announ.. T R Hall@atari.UUCP (3687)
> Maybe we should take a vote: Should we let everybody add their 2 cents
> to the design, increase the size of the machine, delay it a few months/
> years, increase the price, etc? :) :) :) :) :) 8) 8) 8) 8~) 8~) 8~)
No, just listen to the market out there, and do what is necessary to
sell to that market. If the machine needs a redesign to sell, then it
does. If not, then... . I do not think that targeting it soley at the
current Atari community is wise. We are small, getting smaller, and the
number of ST people who will buy the notebook is even smaller. Granted
we may all want to, but most bought the ST for price, and we are not
monied enough to buy every new machine that comes out. Look at TT sales.
If it takes a few months delay to allow you to sell 5 times the number
of machines, it is worth it. If it took Atari years to add a floopy
drive, something is wrong. Also, if you keep smiling that much, your jaw
will fall off :~|.
Lastly, as far as monitor support, you mention, as do others the
carrying around of monitors is not likely. You miss the point. In the PC
world, the VGA port is used to dock the machine to a desk setup, where
the advantages of a desk setup, and its wall power, etc., and the
advantages of CRT over LCD are most appreciated. I would not carry a
monitor with me, but I would like to plug in a monitor at home. Also, If
no monitor circuitry if provided, an RF circuit would do, adn draw less
power. If power was the concern, then it could be made in such a way
that the monitor circuitry operated off a seperate (external) power
supply, and so that restriction is bypassed. Or a greyscale LCD could
have been used for colour modes. In a world of VGA PC's EGA doesn't make
it very well. Hopefully either an expansion board, or the Lexicor board
will allow external monitor support.
Only my $.04 worth, but I think it is important.
-geisha-
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Date: 28 Mar 91 16:59:25 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!me
nudo.uh.edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Undo key on Uniterm
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) boldy writes in article
<5528@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
>I was using a new terminal program today, and I noticed that the Undo key
>sent some kind of character to the DecServer over the phone that allowed me
>to run multiple sessions. Now, on Uniterm the Undo key is bound to the
>escape sequence. I have tried to see if the macros would take a undo, but
>it does not seem to work. Anyone have any ideas how I can get to this
>character? I have tried just about every control combination.
>
>swood
>
Now if you are using a DecServer to acess your systems, then do the
following at the local> prompt:
1) Define port local switch whatever_key_stroke_you_want
i.e. define port local switch ~_ (this is control-underscore)
the define makes it permanent for the port but it is not active until
you relog in to that port so....
2) set port local switch whatever_key_stroke_you_want
i.e. set port local switch ~_
now, do the define first or every time you do that "magic" key
combination, you will be brought out to the local> prompt...
Have fun....
P.S. I typically run 4 different sessions and I just pop back and
forth..
--
Paul Sears The Univ. of Houston |"The greater an individual's power
Student of the College of Technology | over others, the greater the evil that
RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu *** | might possibly originate with him."
RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD)
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Date: 28 Mar 91 22:14:06 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!cunyvm!uupsi!ro
dan.acs.syr.edu!jfbruno@arizona.edu (John Bruno)
Subject: Who has Spectre GCR 3.0 _IN STOCK_ right now?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
If you know, PLEASE tell me, everyone seems to have it on back-order.
Thanks,
---jb (jfbruno@rodan.acs.syr.edu)
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