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INFO-ATARI16 Digest Sun, 28 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 112
Today's Topics:
Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
Atari TT: Threat to IIcx?
Can I program a Portfolio?
GFA BASIC 3.0 problems
Keyboard Question
Mac ROMS
MWC
Need IBM Format Program for my ST SF314
PC Emulators
POOLFIX3.ARC and FOLDR100.PRG
ST Format, TOS 1.4 moans directed at Atari UK (was: HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL!)
ST S/ware Rental Places (2 msgs)
v09INF4: LHARC is okay now.
Where's poolfix3?
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Date: 26 Jan 90 20:22:58 GMT
From: mcrware!bills@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
Message-ID: <1490@mcrware.UUCP>
In article <2706@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
(Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>In article <720.25ada423@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> kacovert@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
writes:
>>In article <1990Jan7.084927.19588@csusac.csus.edu>, rohwerwd@csusac.csus.edu
(W. David Rohwer) writes:
>>> "Atari Corp. of Sunnyvale suffered a third-quarter
>>> net loss of $5.4 million, or 9 cents per share, on net sales
>had lying around. For a company as highly leveraged as Atari, these kinds
>...
>Chris Mauritz |Where there's a BEER,
>cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |there's a plan.
Last I heard, Atari was debt-free...
This was sometime last year.
Bill Sheppard
--
Bill Sheppard
Technical Sales/Marketing
Microware Systems Corporation
**Opinions be mine, not MSC's!**
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Date: 25 Jan 90 11:09:47 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Atari TT: Threat to IIcx?
Message-ID: <2054@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
From article <840@fozzy.UUCP>, by hendrick@fozzy.UUCP (Bill Hendricks):
> ... Indeed, while the TT labored
> through FCC testing in December, it was shipping
> in volume in Europe.
Not in this part of Europe.
Even Atari UK's Bob Katz was saying the TT wouldn't be around until
Spring 1990, and he's usually on the optimistic side (to say the least).
Mind you, none of the Atari dealers where I live (Brighton, UK) will
stock it. 1040s are a bit 'high end' around here.
Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
JANET: grahamt@uk.ac.sussex.syma EARN/BITNET: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
ARPA: grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
UUCP: grahamt@syma.uucp Phone: +44 273 686758
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1990 7:38:33 MET
From: "Lars-Erik \\sterud" <larserio@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Can I program a Portfolio?
Message-ID: <9001270638.AA24543@ifi.uio.no>
My friend who works for Atari Norway from time to time is writing a vt100
communication program for Portfolio right now, and he is writing it using
Turbo C on his Atari PC4 and that works great. If you don't have another
PC I'm sure Turbo C will work on the portfolio too, but you'll need some
extra RAM (at least I think so :-)
Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________
Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: 26 Jan 90 14:45:05 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!kacovert@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: GFA BASIC 3.0 problems
Message-ID: <726.25c01c22@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
In August 1989, I bought GFA BASIC 3.0 (Version 3.05) because I had heard so
many good comments about GFA BASIC 2.0. But to this date, I still have not
received the final manual (I just have a unedited version that was sold with
the package) and I have found that the program is so full of bugs it is
unusable. I have since resorted back to using version 2.0.
My questions:
1. Has anyone else received the final maunal?
2. Is version 3.05 exceptionally buggy or just my copy.
3. Is version 3.07 any better?
Thanks in advance,
Kent Covert
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
BTW, I got my version through Antic Corporation.
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Date: 26 Jan 90 21:39:32 GMT
From:
pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!tmwhitehead@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Keyboard Question
Message-ID: <728.25c07d46@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
In article <21945@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher
Roth) writes:
> Hi world...
>
> A few questions. First, It seems to me that it should be an easy
> matter to put a detachable keyboard on the 1040 ST. Does any company
> sell such a product or is there a simple way of doing it that does NOT
> involve a saw?
>
> Also, I have heard that there are alternate cases out there for the
> ST (Designer cases?). Does anyone have any info on this? If so, who
> makes them, how can I reach them?
>
I too am interested in the designer case idea. I thought about making a
detachable keyboard, but I couldn't figure out how to do it and keep my
internal drive still accessable. Any info on how to mount the mother board and
drive in some sort of alternate case would be helpful. preferably something
that allows it to fit in a smaller case, with the drive slot in front...
>
>
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> * Christoper Roth * "Machines have no
> * InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..."
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Todd Whitehead
Miami University
If it looks like I said it, I probably did...
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Date: 27 Jan 90 07:16:09 GMT
From: well!dsmall@apple.com (David Small)
Subject: Mac ROMS
Message-ID: <15754@well.UUCP>
The base message concerns mentioning that the TT runs Mac software with the
aid of Mac ROMs, and presumably, Spectre software (since 64K ROMs cannot
handle the differences in the 68030.)
Unfortunately, someone at Atari saw fit to say that the TT ran
Spectre. It doesn't today.
We at Gadgets don't *have* a TT. We can't get one, and we have tried
every possible way we can to get one. The technical data is ... well,
conflicting (not surprising, given its source).
Hence the rumour that the TT runs Mac software, say, from
Atari's press release in Comdex and from Macintosh News, is *completely
false*.
While there are a few machines out there to developers, Atari hasn't seen
fit to grace us with one.
(I'm sorry if I come off as irritated. It hacks me off to be
promised a machine, eternally 2-weeks-mored, never get one, then have Atari
announce that gee, I've already done the software port -- having never
seen the machine! Sheesh!)
I simply don't understand the policy of not getting us a TT; the
Spectre GCR would be a natural to help sell TT's as high powered, low cost
Mac workstations.
While it's not definite, it is very possible that with
our current schedules, Atari's missed the timeframe within which we could
have "ramped up" on the TT -- even one in an IBM clone case, such as exist,
I wouldn't mind. That'll set the TT/Spectre GCR back even farther.
If you want to do me a favor, and possibly yourself a favor, drop a
letter (papermail) to Atari asking why they won't help us bring up a TT
version? Every other manufacturer "seeds" software sites for a machine's
rollout and release, and we can sell a *number* of TT's.
Anyway, <mild flame off>. Thanks --
Dave Small / Gadgets by Small / ST, not TT, programmer.
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Date: 25 Jan 90 13:54:43 GMT
From:
zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cg-atla!raybed2!bfc@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
(BRANDON CHUBB)
Subject: MWC
Message-ID: <1447@raybed2.UUCP>
Does anyone know the toll-free number for Mark Williams C? I have one number
from the manual (312-472-6659), but it doesn't work, even with Chicago's new
area code someone posted, (708). Thanks in advance.
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Date: 27 Jan 90 06:32:49 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!hydra.unm.edu!seattle@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David G. Adams)
Subject: Need IBM Format Program for my ST SF314
Message-ID: <1405@ariel.unm.edu>
Subject just about says it all. I need to format some disks in IBM format,
so they'll read on a friend's PC. I know, the simple solution is to use
his PC, but he lives 3 states over... I know TOS 1.4 has this feature
built in, but I don't have 1.4. I have an '86 model 520ST.
Thanks in advance.
Dave
/|\ | seattle@hydra.unm.edu <> Dadams10@GEnie <> David G. Adams \
< |/\ | LotE | "Modern love is automatic" - A Flock of Seagulls |
\| | Live it! | Don't bug the University 'bout nuthin' I've said. /
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Date: 27 Jan 90 00:30:41 GMT
From: sdsu!ucselx.sdsu.edu!coffey@ucsd.edu (pat coffey)
Subject: PC Emulators
Message-ID: <1990Jan27.003041.12426@ucselx.sdsu.edu>
In article <1990Jan24.203058.9305@ka3ovk.uucp> lake@ka3ovk.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME
HERE) writes:
>
>I heard a couple of days ago that it was finally available. But I also
>heard (unfortunately) that it was buggy. I don't know how true it is
>and I didn't hear to what extent but they did say something about the
>thing not fitting in some STs!
Much to my surprise, PC Ditto II was waiting on my doorstep yesterday. I'll
try to install it this weekend.
--
_ _ Ms. Pat Coffey
|_) (_ San Diego State University
| coffey@ucselx.sdsu.edu
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Date: 26 Jan 90 23:17:59 GMT
From: eagle!ncastellano@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: POOLFIX3.ARC and FOLDR100.PRG
Message-ID: <6021@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
In article <1912@laura.UUCP>, klute@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer
Klute) writes:
> In article <1983@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
>>This posting contains a uuencoded archive called POOLFIX3.ARC. In it
>>there is a program, POOLFIX3.PRG. If you have Rainbow TOS (TOS 1.4)
>>or STe TOS (TOS 1.6), please put this program in your AUTO folder.
>
> POOLFIX3 was not complete when it arrived at our site. Only the
> following lines of uuencoded stuff came through:
> [stuff deleted]
What exactly is poolfix? what versions of Tos need it?
Another question: I have the program FOLDR100.prg which came with my hard
drive. I understand that there is a bug in Tos which causes problems when you
have more than 40 folders. Does this mean open folders, or just total number
of folders? I haven't noticed any difference in my system's operation between
when I use this in my auto folder and when I don't. What _exactly_ is the 40
folder bug, how do I find out if I've got it, and what will happen if I don't
use foldr100.prg? My system is a 1040 with 1 meg, 2 DS drives and 1 Megafile
30. (I don't know what Tos version. I bought my ST in 1987.
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Date: 25 Jan 90 10:59:22 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: ST Format, TOS 1.4 moans directed at Atari UK (was: HAPPY NEW YEAR,
ALL!)
Message-ID: <2053@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
From article <6350@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, by cs163wed@sdcc10.ucsd.edu ( ):
> In article <1738@castle.ed.ac.uk> aimd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Davidson) writes:
>>In article <90011904271714@masnet.uucp> sylvia.jumaga@canremote.uucp (SYLVIA
JUMAGA) writes:
>>
> Looks like after Atari lose the US, Atari will lose the UK too!
Give them a little time, but they're trying hard. The way they're doing
it is like this:
Atari UK markets the ST as a games machine, rather than as a
programmer's, writer's, desktop publisher's (etc.) machine.
The Amiga is (let's face it folks) a BETTER games machine, which is now
the same price as an ST and has lots of games software.
So the Amiga's now outselling the ST in the UK.
Easy, really.
Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
JANET: grahamt@uk.ac.sussex.syma EARN/BITNET: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
ARPA: grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
UUCP: grahamt@syma.uucp Phone: +44 273 686758
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Date: 26 Jan 90 15:47:41 GMT
From:
pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!tmwhitehead@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <727.25c02ad0@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
In article <26640@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
> In article <418@ssc.UUCP> fyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) writes:
>>In article <26232@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
Stuff deleted...
>>I can rent a Ford to see if that is the kind of car that I want to drive.
>>I can "try out" a job before I agree to work somewhere for the next 5
>>years and/or the rest of my life. I expect the same with regard to my
>>purchase of software.
>
> Again, these analogies do not hold! A car is a unique item that you
> cannot instantly duplicate for pennies. Ford Motor Company is not putting
> its neck out on a line by letting you test drive the car. Hell, if you
> destroy it, the damn thing is insured. Lotus 1-2-3 does not have that
> luxury.
>
> I *can't* think of an analogous example because there *isn't* one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What about renting video cassettes?
> The only one that comes close is in the record industry. When I was
> going to college in the early 80's, there were several record rental
> places within walking distance...over the years, I watched them
> "mysteriously" disappear...finding out later that they were closed down
> by the trade commission and the FBI for copyright infringements.
I can go to the local library and check out records for free!! The FBI
hasn't yet closed THEM down...
>
> The same thing is happening to software rental places...there are several
> rulings in court and for all I know they may already be illegal.
>
More stuff deleted...
>
> - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
> Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
> Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
> "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
Todd Whitehead
Miami University
If it looks like I said it, then I probably did...
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Date: 27 Jan 90 04:44:54 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
(Christopher Roth)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <21964@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
Piracy is not going to be prevented by educating the users for the ST
or any other computer. What will put a damper on piracy is if the
users can respect the software company. Companies need to support
their products instead of making it hard for someone to get an upgrade
or a working copy of the product should it prove to be defective. And
copy protection! Let's discuss THAT! How many people here have had
programs that they have purchased eventually stop working because of
COPY PROTECTION? There are some programs out there that are a true
test of drive alignment.
I also would like to say that anyone who is under the impression that
there is more piracy on the ST then other computers OR that ST pirates
are more organized is truly suffering from major delusions.
*FLAME OFF*
--
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* Christoper Roth * "Machines have no
* InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..."
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1990 7:31:50 MET
From: LarsErikOsterud <larserio@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: v09INF4: LHARC is okay now.
Message-ID: <CMM.0.88.633421910.larserio@kvart.uio.no>
Could you make an Atari version of LHARC that follows the rules :-)
On my BBS I need to redirect LHARC's output to a file, but since LHARC
does not support >FILE.EXT and since it doesn't support fforce either
(it uses BIOS, NOT GEMDOS) I have a HUGE problem. The source posted did
not compile at all with Lattice, and I am NO C-freak.... HELP ME !!!!
Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________
Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
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Date: 27 Jan 90 02:14:00 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!usc!hacgate!tcville!saxon!terry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
(Robert Terry)
Subject: Where's poolfix3?
Message-ID: <323@tcville.HAC.COM>
>1. use poolfix3
>2. put it in the auto folder as the FIRST one.
>
>This works for me.
>
>Howard C. Johnson
How did in the world the poolfix3 patch managed to get past me? :-(
Could someone out there please send me the poolfix3 patch file?
Many thanks!!
Robert
Hughes Aircraft Company email:terry@tcville.hac.com
Software Applications Section
PO Box 902, E1/D128
El Segundo, CA 90245
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