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INFO-ATARI16 Digest Thu, 25 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 96
Today's Topics:
(none)
Atari Lynx deserves to do well
More Turbo C info
Question on use of Interleaves
SCREENSAVER LIKE STARS FOR MAC
Velocity sensitive mouse
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Date: 25 Jan 90 13:55:56 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!tiger!swklassen@
tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Steven W. Klassen)
Subject: (none)
Message-ID: <20165@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
In article <9001240806.AA01729@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
WOODALLP@VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK writes:
>Thus to those at the other side of the pond I request that if you judge
>British magazines by any one single publication then let it be ST World. This
I'll say it's not perfect. My roommates (also Computer Science Majors)
and I once had a good laugh at one of their articles. I believe the
article was talking about how C was becoming popular in the programming
world in spite of the "relentless advance of BASIC."
Steven W. Klassen +-----------------------------+
Computer Science Major | Support the poor...buy fur! |
University of Waterloo +-----------------------------+
------------------------------
Date: 25 Jan 90 15:45:01 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!econadm5@tut.cis.ohio-stat
e.edu (BENTLEY BH - ECONOMICS)
Subject: Atari Lynx deserves to do well
Message-ID: <732@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
In article <6436@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> pa1323@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Some call me...Tim)
writes:
>In article <618@watserv1.waterloo.edu> econadm5@watserv1.waterloo.edu (BENTLEY
BH - ECONOMICS) writes:
>>In article <1739.25b0f33b@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>> I Have a suggestion for Atari to consider. Remember how Pepsi supports
>> the Gameboy. How about Atari getting in contact with Coke marketing and
>> Show the world that a better product also supports a better tasting
>> beverage.
>...
>
>They already have a deal with HI-C. There's a sweepstakes where the
>first prize is an Atari Lynx, entry forms on HI-C boxed drinks.
>
>Isn't HI-C a Coke company?
Thats great to hear! Its about time anyways, new ideas are what we are
lacking these days. Here are some ideas that Im working on. Maybe it will
spur more people to be creative in their thinking. Im working on an all
new AI (Artificial Intellegence) operating system for my ST. Im tired of
clicking buttons and using old DOS style commands(so Passe) Anyways I call
my Artifical Intellegence program EDGAR(from the Electric Dreams Movie).
Edgar interacts will me! I talk to it, it reponds, Partition P: please.
Edgar responds" whats so special about partition C:" Well edgar remember
this is where I keep my programming tools. SO what says edgar. Ill let
you figure it out Edgar.
So Edgar has its own ability to learn and grasp my input at the same time
respond to my commands, so I can quickly bring up the destop etc. I will
try to install voice recognition etc as soon as possible. Anyways, I think
I have made my point! Lets all try to move to a new generation of computer
power Interactive Artificial Intellegence Operating System. If you think this
cant be done your sadly mistaken..and your vision of the computer is limited to
keyboards and MessDos style programming. I hope someday Keyboards and
mouses (even though I dont mind useing them) will be a thing of the past
like the typerwritter.
Dave Tomesch, Super BBS (519) 749-1206, Kwest Co-Chairman, StarTrak Inc.
"Meet Edgar online haha several have and thinks its me!, ahaha"
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 14:38:02 SET
From: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: More Turbo C info
Hello all,
This is in response to several messages I received after my posting about
Turbo C/ST.
First off, here's what you can do if you're in the USA or Canada and would
like to be able to buy an officially Borland-USA-supported Turbo C/ST, with
all-english documentation.
Write a letter to
Mr. Philippe Kahn
Borland International, Inc.
P.O. Box
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-0001
U.S.A.
asking him why you can't buy this fine Borland program in the US or Canada
even though it's sold succcessfully throughout Europe. (I hope I got the
address right, and I don't have the correct PO box, it's 60001 but for orders
only, I think).
Next, some people asked me about the address of the German Borland, and
details on the current TC/ST version.
The address is:
Borland GmbH
Lindwurmstrasse 88
D-8000 Muenchen 2
West Germany Telephone (89) 720 10-123 (customer service)
The current Turbo C version is 1.1. It costs DM 228 or DM 342 with
assembler and symbolic debugger (I think 1$ is a little less than DM 1.80).
Borland plans to release the new V 2.0 in March. Included will be a
source-level debugger, a PC-compatible BGI implementation and more goodies.
I had offered to organize a bulk order tp ship to the US, and my offer
still stands. I still have a list of the people who were interested. The
general consensus seemed to be that we should wait for V 2.0.
Although Borland Germany is working on it, there is no clear word on when/if
there will be an english version of the docs.
Note that there is no version of Turbo Pascal, nor will there ever be one
(unless Mr. Kahn changes his mind).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bitnet: VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1 (will go away some day ...) Volker A. Brandt
UNM409@DBNRHRZ1 (alternative) Angewandte Mathematik
UUCP: ...!unido!DBNUAMA1.bitnet!vbrandt (Bonn, West Germany)
ARPAnet: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
------------------------------
Date: 24 Jan 90 20:02:50 GMT
From: att!drutx!druwy!dlm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Moore)
Subject: Question on use of Interleaves
Message-ID: <4622@druwy.ATT.COM>
in article <1230@lzsc.ATT.COM>, hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) says:
> The information with the Adaptec 4000 controller that most MFM systems
> use is to use interleave=1. There are 17 sectors on each track. With
> an interleave of 1, all 17 are used. Any other interleave, they only use 16
> of the sectors. So, you immediately get more capacity by using 1.
> There is (I believe) some caching in the Adaptec 4000, so for typical accesses
> there seems little degredation.
Actually that is backwards. If you format an MFM drive using
an Adaptec 4000 or 4000A using a 1:1 interleave you can only have 17
sectors per track. If you format the drive with a 2:1 or higher
interleave you can get 18 sectors per track. As far as I know no ST
hard disk interfaces support the latter option (at least they didn't
the last time I checked, about 2 years ago), there are some Amiga
controllers that do support the 18 sectors per track mode.
The Adaptec 40xx series controllers are a very old design, they
actually predate most of the SCSI standards (at least the official dates
on the standards). This means they have some problems, for instance
they don't correctly identify themselves so programs can't tell if a
4000 (MFM) or 4070 (RLL) is being used. They also do not have any on
board cache memory.
Dan Moore
AT&T Bell Labs
Denver
dlm@druwy.ATT.COM
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 10:07:57 EST
From: "Gerry Greenberg: 315-443-5378"
<MAXG%SUVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: SCREENSAVER LIKE STARS FOR MAC
Does anybody out there know about the existence of an ST screensaver
that is more or less like Stars for the Mac? and where I might be able
to locate it? Thanks,
Gerry
maxg@suvm (bitnet)
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 12:15
From: <BERLIN%DGACHEM5.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> (H. Baiter)
Subject: Velocity sensitive mouse
In one of the last INFO-A16 issues there was a mail to the velocity sensitve
mouse saying that there was an archive on BITNET called RAINBOW.ARC containing
a program MACCEL.PRG which is just doing this. I did miss this archive. Can
someone send me this archive or tell me from where I can get it ?
Adress: BERLIN@DGACHEM.BITNET
Time of message sent: 25-JAN-1990 12:08:25 MEZ
Hermann Baiter
Institut fuer Physikalische Chemie der TU Muenchen, Garching, West-Germany
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=========================================================================
I have made the LISTSERV archives for INFO-A16 (the last month's) and
PROG-A16 available from FTP. The UoGuelph CPU is 131.104.96.1
Log in as PROG-A16 (for both of them), password GUEST.
ls info-a16.90* (1990 archives of info-a16 babble)
ls prog-a16.90-s* (1990 sources, from Panarthea)
ls prog-a16.90-090xxx (Binaries v09ixxx, ditto - Thanks Steve!)
etc.
Many old files (I'll get around to cleaning up some day), so LS without
args gives long meaningless list (sorry).
Best bet is to MAIL PROG-A16 (or INFO-A16) at UoGuelph.BITNET
(or VM.UoGuelph.Ca) a one liner: INDEX (Other LISTSERV gurus have
posted better descriptions of how to do this.)
With INDEX in hand, you can FTP GET files to your heart's content.
New files will have meaningless numbers (serially assigned) to them.
I log in to the server ocaisionally and re-number them to Steve Grimm's
scheme, or to the INFO-ATARI16 (arpa's) digest numbers. Thsi is done
'by hand', when I have time, so foprgive me if I'm behind please.
I can think of no way to provide a complete index via FTP that will
keep current, sorry.
/PJ SofPJF@VM.UoGuelph.Ca
-------------------------------
If you try to please everyone, somebody is not going to like it.
=========================================================================
I have made the LISTSERV archives for INFO-A16 (the last month's) and
PROG-A16 available from FTP. The UoGuelph CPU is 131.104.96.1
Log in as PROG-A16 (for both of them), password GUEST.
ls info-a16.90* (1990 archives of info-a16 babble)
ls prog-a16.90-s* (1990 sources, from Panarthea)
ls prog-a16.90-090xxx (Binaries v09ixxx, ditto - Thanks Steve!)
etc.
Many old files (I'll get around to cleaning up some day), so LS without
args gives long meaningless list (sorry).
Best bet is to MAIL PROG-A16 (or INFO-A16) at UoGuelph.BITNET
(or VM.UoGuelph.Ca) a one liner: INDEX (Other LISTSERV gurus have
posted better descriptions of how to do this.)
With INDEX in hand, you can FTP GET files to your heart's content.
New files will have meaningless numbers (serially assigned) to them.
I log in to the server ocaisionally and re-number them to Steve Grimm's
scheme, or to the INFO-ATARI16 (arpa's) digest numbers. Thsi is done
'by hand', when I have time, so foprgive me if I'm behind please.
I can think of no way to provide a complete index via FTP that will
keep current, sorry.
/PJ SofPJF@VM.UoGuelph.Ca
-------------------------------
If you try to please everyone, somebody is not going to like it.
=========================================================================
INFO-ATARI16 Digest Thu, 25 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 96
Today's Topics:
(none)
Atari Lynx deserves to do well
More Turbo C info
Question on use of Interleaves
SCREENSAVER LIKE STARS FOR MAC
Velocity sensitive mouse
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 25 Jan 90 13:55:56 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!tiger!swklassen@
tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Steven W. Klassen)
Subject: (none)
Message-ID: <20165@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
In article <9001240806.AA01729@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
WOODALLP@VAX1.COMPUTER-CENTRE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK writes:
>Thus to those at the other side of the pond I request that if you judge
>British magazines by any one single publication then let it be ST World. This
I'll say it's not perfect. My roommates (also Computer Science Majors)
and I once had a good laugh at one of their articles. I believe the
article was talking about how C was becoming popular in the programming
world in spite of the "relentless advance of BASIC."
Steven W. Klassen +-----------------------------+
Computer Science Major | Support the poor...buy fur! |
University of Waterloo +-----------------------------+
------------------------------
Date: 25 Jan 90 15:45:01 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!econadm5@tut.cis.ohio-stat
e.edu (BENTLEY BH - ECONOMICS)
Subject: Atari Lynx deserves to do well
Message-ID: <732@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
In article <6436@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> pa1323@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Some call me...Tim)
writes:
>In article <618@watserv1.waterloo.edu> econadm5@watserv1.waterloo.edu (BENTLEY
BH - ECONOMICS) writes:
>>In article <1739.25b0f33b@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>> I Have a suggestion for Atari to consider. Remember how Pepsi supports
>> the Gameboy. How about Atari getting in contact with Coke marketing and
>> Show the world that a better product also supports a better tasting
>> beverage.
>...
>
>They already have a deal with HI-C. There's a sweepstakes where the
>first prize is an Atari Lynx, entry forms on HI-C boxed drinks.
>
>Isn't HI-C a Coke company?
Thats great to hear! Its about time anyways, new ideas are what we are
lacking these days. Here are some ideas that Im working on. Maybe it will
spur more people to be creative in their thinking. Im working on an all
new AI (Artificial Intellegence) operating system for my ST. Im tired of
clicking buttons and using old DOS style commands(so Passe) Anyways I call
my Artifical Intellegence program EDGAR(from the Electric Dreams Movie).
Edgar interacts will me! I talk to it, it reponds, Partition P: please.
Edgar responds" whats so special about partition C:" Well edgar remember
this is where I keep my programming tools. SO what says edgar. Ill let
you figure it out Edgar.
So Edgar has its own ability to learn and grasp my input at the same time
respond to my commands, so I can quickly bring up the destop etc. I will
try to install voice recognition etc as soon as possible. Anyways, I think
I have made my point! Lets all try to move to a new generation of computer
power Interactive Artificial Intellegence Operating System. If you think this
cant be done your sadly mistaken..and your vision of the computer is limited to
keyboards and MessDos style programming. I hope someday Keyboards and
mouses (even though I dont mind useing them) will be a thing of the past
like the typerwritter.
Dave Tomesch, Super BBS (519) 749-1206, Kwest Co-Chairman, StarTrak Inc.
"Meet Edgar online haha several have and thinks its me!, ahaha"
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 14:38:02 SET
From: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: More Turbo C info
Hello all,
This is in response to several messages I received after my posting about
Turbo C/ST.
First off, here's what you can do if you're in the USA or Canada and would
like to be able to buy an officially Borland-USA-supported Turbo C/ST, with
all-english documentation.
Write a letter to
Mr. Philippe Kahn
Borland International, Inc.
P.O. Box
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-0001
U.S.A.
asking him why you can't buy this fine Borland program in the US or Canada
even though it's sold succcessfully throughout Europe. (I hope I got the
address right, and I don't have the correct PO box, it's 60001 but for orders
only, I think).
Next, some people asked me about the address of the German Borland, and
details on the current TC/ST version.
The address is:
Borland GmbH
Lindwurmstrasse 88
D-8000 Muenchen 2
West Germany Telephone (89) 720 10-123 (customer service)
The current Turbo C version is 1.1. It costs DM 228 or DM 342 with
assembler and symbolic debugger (I think 1$ is a little less than DM 1.80).
Borland plans to release the new V 2.0 in March. Included will be a
source-level debugger, a PC-compatible BGI implementation and more goodies.
I had offered to organize a bulk order tp ship to the US, and my offer
still stands. I still have a list of the people who were interested. The
general consensus seemed to be that we should wait for V 2.0.
Although Borland Germany is working on it, there is no clear word on when/if
there will be an english version of the docs.
Note that there is no version of Turbo Pascal, nor will there ever be one
(unless Mr. Kahn changes his mind).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bitnet: VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1 (will go away some day ...) Volker A. Brandt
UNM409@DBNRHRZ1 (alternative) Angewandte Mathematik
UUCP: ...!unido!DBNUAMA1.bitnet!vbrandt (Bonn, West Germany)
ARPAnet: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
------------------------------
Date: 24 Jan 90 20:02:50 GMT
From: att!drutx!druwy!dlm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Moore)
Subject: Question on use of Interleaves
Message-ID: <4622@druwy.ATT.COM>
in article <1230@lzsc.ATT.COM>, hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) says:
> The information with the Adaptec 4000 controller that most MFM systems
> use is to use interleave=1. There are 17 sectors on each track. With
> an interleave of 1, all 17 are used. Any other interleave, they only use 16
> of the sectors. So, you immediately get more capacity by using 1.
> There is (I believe) some caching in the Adaptec 4000, so for typical accesses
> there seems little degredation.
Actually that is backwards. If you format an MFM drive using
an Adaptec 4000 or 4000A using a 1:1 interleave you can only have 17
sectors per track. If you format the drive with a 2:1 or higher
interleave you can get 18 sectors per track. As far as I know no ST
hard disk interfaces support the latter option (at least they didn't
the last time I checked, about 2 years ago), there are some Amiga
controllers that do support the 18 sectors per track mode.
The Adaptec 40xx series controllers are a very old design, they
actually predate most of the SCSI standards (at least the official dates
on the standards). This means they have some problems, for instance
they don't correctly identify themselves so programs can't tell if a
4000 (MFM) or 4070 (RLL) is being used. They also do not have any on
board cache memory.
Dan Moore
AT&T Bell Labs
Denver
dlm@druwy.ATT.COM
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 10:07:57 EST
From: "Gerry Greenberg: 315-443-5378"
<MAXG%SUVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: SCREENSAVER LIKE STARS FOR MAC
Does anybody out there know about the existence of an ST screensaver
that is more or less like Stars for the Mac? and where I might be able
to locate it? Thanks,
Gerry
maxg@suvm (bitnet)
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 12:15
From: <BERLIN%DGACHEM5.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> (H. Baiter)
Subject: Velocity sensitive mouse
In one of the last INFO-A16 issues there was a mail to the velocity sensitve
mouse saying that there was an archive on BITNET called RAINBOW.ARC containing
a program MACCEL.PRG which is just doing this. I did miss this archive. Can
someone send me this archive or tell me from where I can get it ?
Adress: BERLIN@DGACHEM.BITNET
Time of message sent: 25-JAN-1990 12:08:25 MEZ
Hermann Baiter
Institut fuer Physikalische Chemie der TU Muenchen, Garching, West-Germany
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 01:41:25 -0900
From: <FTJLH%ALASKA.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
RE: any Minix packages for sale out there?
this seems like a good idea, since Mr Tanenbaum wrote the text I'm
about to start reading one of these nights. thanks j harris\fairbanks
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