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INFO-ATARI16 Digest Wed, 24 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 89
Today's Topics:
Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
Atari Canada
Converting EasyDraw .GEM to standard .GEM
DEGAS printer driver for HP PaintJet ??
GNU/SOZOBON C QUESTION
ICONE2
KEYSTROKE CONVERTER/PS MACROS...
ST S/ware Rental Places (2 msgs)
Thanks to all those who replied...
WANTED : MWC compiler
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Date: 12 Jan 90 14:32:18 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!kacovert@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
Message-ID: <720.25ada423@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
In article <1990Jan7.084927.19588@csusac.csus.edu>, rohwerwd@csusac.csus.edu (W.
David Rohwer) writes:
> The following is from "The Business Journal", p. 28, for the Week
> of January 8, 1990.
>
> "Atari Corp. of Sunnyvale suffered a third-quarter
> net loss of $5.4 million, or 9 cents per share, on net sales
> of $81.44 million. During the third quarter of the year
>
>
> Apparently, Atari is slowly fading into oblivion. :)
>
I don't know much about finances, but couldn't a lot of these "losses"
be actually just expenses incurred on the development of the new systems that
are about to be released and that Atari will compensate for this with the
increase in sales projected for the new systems. I would say Atari will easily
make this up with the sale of the new systems.
Just my humble opinion,
The Kentster
Kent Covert
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
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Date: 24 Jan 90 04:57:14 GMT
From: bnrgate!bcara13!fortinp@uunet.uu.net (Pierre Fortin 1573589)
Subject: Atari Canada
Message-ID: <762@bnrgate.bnr.ca>
The following message was posted on the Ottawa National Capital Atari
Users' Group (NCAUG) BBS tonight (by a VERY reliable source):
Starting msg # (RETURN for new)? 22122
TO: ALL
SUBJECT: Atari Canada
07:18:26 pm Jan. 23, 1990
The founder and General Manager of Atari Canada, Ian Kennedy, has left
the company. No further info available at this time.
-30-
That message prompted the following response...
SUBJECT: Reply to 22122 Atari Canada
10:17:40 pm Jan. 23, 1990
... someone should buy Victor Kiam a MEGA ST...
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Date: 24 Jan 90 11:31:38 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caesar.cs.montana.edu!icsu8053@tu
t.cis.ohio-state.edu (Pratt)
Subject: Converting EasyDraw .GEM to standard .GEM
Message-ID: <3035@caesar.cs.montana.edu>
Has anyone come in contact with a program to convert so-called EasyDraw
metafiles into so-called standard metafiles? They both use the .GEM extension
but most of the programs I have only accept/produce one form or the other.
If anyone has any knowledge of such a beast please let me know. I have access
to GEnie and anonymous FTP. If someone has it and it's in the public domain,
please mail me a copy or, if the demand is high enough, post it to
comp.binaries.atari.st. T'ank ya kindly! (Western accent)
Craig Pratt
Montana State University, Computer Science
BitNet: Craig.Pratt@msu3.oscs.montana.edu
GEnie: C.Pratt4
"Life IS pain, heiness. Anyone who says differently is selling something"
The Dread Pirate Roberts, _The_Princess_Bride_
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Date: 22 Jan 90 17:56:03 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!bru-cc!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph
Mitchell)
Subject: DEGAS printer driver for HP PaintJet ??
Message-ID: <1280@Terra.cc.brunel.ac.uk>
Does anyone have, or know the location of, a DEGAS printer driver for the
HP PaintJet ?? This is rather urgent, I may have to resort to watercolour
paints...
Thanks in Advance.
Ralph Mitchell
--
JANET: ralph@uk.ac.brunel.cc ARPA: ralph%cc.brunel.ac.uk@cwi.nl
UUCP: ...ukc!cc.brunel!ralph PHONE: +44 895 74000 x2561
"There's so many different worlds, so many different Suns" - Dire Straits
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - Salvor Hardin, Foundation
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Date: 23 Jan 90 01:21:00 GMT
From:
zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt
!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!sylvia.jumaga@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (SYLVIA JUMAGA)
Subject: GNU/SOZOBON C QUESTION
Message-ID: <90012319221444@masnet.uucp>
rjd@cs.brown.edu writes:
>Sozobon C: Another public domain C. And amazingly well
> done. It conforms with K&R standards, and
> supports GEM and AES calls. Its YAPAFS. (Yet
> Another Piece of Amazing Free Software.) There
> are a lot of talented people out there with
> a lot of time on their hands!
Can anyone out there perhaps give me a source where I could get
a hold of 'Sozobon C'? Like, a public domain place in Canada or
the U.S. and cost.
Thanks! Merci!
A bientot,
* * * ____ The Computer Matrix
* * * /___ / / / / / Ace I / Ace II / Nick
** * ** ____/ /_/ /__ \/ "Hug A Computer Today!"
** * ** __/ From: Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
UseNet: sylvia.jumaga@canremote.uucp
VAXes: Brandon University: BU::$JUMAGAS
TKM Software: TKM::JUMAGA
MiNET: 7337M09 NorthAmeriNet: SYLVIA JUMAGA
* QNet 1.03a2: Bert's Bulletin Board. Brandon, Man. Can. (204)763-4684
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 90 08:57:32 EST
From: "Gerry Greenberg: 315-443-5378"
<MAXG%SUVM.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: ICONE2
I got icone2 from the panarthea archives yesterday, but was unable to
unarc it so that it would work. I was able to get icone.acc, icone.rsc,
and icones.rsc, but I would only get bombs when the acc would try to
load. Has anyone ever used this acc? Thanks.
--Gerry
maxg@suvm (bitnet)
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (internet)
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Date: 24 Jan 90 10:40:38 GMT
From:
pasteur!helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.ed
u!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: KEYSTROKE CONVERTER/PS MACROS...
Message-ID: <16000001@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Does anyone know of a utility that takes one keystroke from the keyboard
and converts it to a sequence of keystrokes?
Or ... could someone tell me why ~D228 as a macro in PageStream does not
produce an umlauted 'a'?
Thanks in advance...
-Gregory Mathias Lemperle-Kerr
#include <nothingworthwhiletosayandthereforenodisclaimerneeded.learn>
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Date: 22 Jan 90 19:19:29 GMT
From: ucsdhub!hp-sdd!hplabsy!hpfcso!hpldola!hp-lsd!col!don@ucsd.edu (Don
Allison)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <370004@col.hp.com>
>> And don't believe I have insulted legitimate
>>businesses. If you want to see a piece of software run, go to
>>a store and ask the proprieter to start up a copy for you.
>
>Here's where you're wrong. There are pieces of software for the ST that
>I can't test in 20 minutes. If I want to demo a piece of MIDI software,
>I want to take it home and play with it for several days. Some software
>publishers put out demo versions of their software -- that's a great
>help. But others do not. Here is a legit market for rentals.
>
Not a comment on rentals, directly, but not all local dealers are as helpful
as indicated above. While we are lucky enough to have one here, and even
though I am quite a good customer (ie I try to support him buy buying
hardware and software from him), when I asked to see a demo of a program that
he had for sale to see if it was worth the money, he told me that he'd be
glad to let me try it out on his machines IF I PURCHASED IT FIRST! In other
words, I had to BUY it before I could demo it (and they have a no return
policy on software except for defective disks, which they exchange). This
was at our authorized Atari retailer--the other stores that sold Atari
software solved the problem nicely by not having any Ataris around at all,
so that you also had to buy it before trying it out.
Don Allison
don@col.hp.com
(It seems he was having trouble selling packages that weren't shrink-wrapped,
and hadn't bought a machine to re-shrink-wrap the stuff yet.)
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Date: 23 Jan 90 21:21:38 GMT
From: uw-entropy!dataio!pilchuck!ssc!fyl@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Phil Hughes)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <418@ssc.UUCP>
In article <26232@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
> OK, Greg...you're a great guy. You'll *never* "borrow" software,
> then copy it for yourself to keep. I'll accept that.
>
> My accepting that fact from you is a *far* cry from condoning a
> place taht "rents" software. For every "great guy" like you, I
> would bet there is (at a bare minimum) one other person who wouldn't
> think twice about stealing software. Those aren't terribly
> good odds for a software rental place, are they?
>
> You know, in almost every environment I've been in, I've
> heard excuses for why people steal software: "It's easy,"
> "It's too expensive," "I just wanted to test it out."
And, if you can't find a legitimate business that rents software and you
intend to make an illegal copy you will find an individual. Or, if all
else fails you will go in with a friend and buy "a copy to share".
I, for one, am sick of buying stuff that doesn't work. For example, I
bought Publishing Partner back in the old days. The first upgrade means
that it sort-of worked. I then bought a PageStream upgrade that broke in
the first 5 minutes. The story continues.
After much wasted time and money, a friend "loaned" me a copy of Ventura
Publisher. I worked with it for a week - time enough to learn about it
and find out that it does what I need to do and does it properly. So, I
bought it.
I have a copy of PC-Write. It is ShareWare. I do most of my text entry
on UNIX but if I decide to do some on DOS using PC-Write I will "buy" it.
Why? Because I have had a chance to test it out and it does what I want
for a fair price.
> Now you want to give these people a legit license to walk out of
> a place with software that they have no intention of ever buying?
Probably because software manufactures don't offer the correct alternative
- a 30 day return policy. Raima corporation offered such a policy. I
evaluated their product and decided not to use it. The result is that I
can say very nice things about it. It did what it was supposed to do but
not what I wanted. If I had been stuck with it I would be telling
everyone what a bad product it is.
I purchased an evaluation copy of Progress. It did what I wanted and I
bought the real copy. I have been using it for about 3 years and they
have made close to $10,000 off of me. If it hadn't been for the $99
elvaluation copy I am sure I would have never bought the product.
My point is that there are two kinds of people: the ones that swipe
software and the ones that pay for what they use. It is too bad that
those of us who are willing to pay for what we use become the victims of
marketing plans that attempt to prevent software theft. The theft will
continue anyway.
I can rent a Ford to see if that is the kind of car that I want to drive.
I can "try out" a job before I agree to work somewhere for the next 5
years and/or the rest of my life. I expect the same with regard to my
purchase of software. Yes, I know it is easier to swipe but that isn't my
problem. Maybe if vendors would offer a little added value with the
purchase, like decent support, people would understand the advantage of
purchase.
--
Phil Hughes, SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549, Seattle, WA 98155 (206)FOR-UNIX
uunet!pilchuck!ssc!fyl or attmail!ssc!fyl (206)527-3385
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Date: 24 Jan 90 04:29:32 GMT
From: ubc-cs!alberta!calgary!cpsc!schock@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Craig
Schock)
Subject: Thanks to all those who replied...
Message-ID: <2403@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP>
Thank you to everyone who replied to my message put on the net about YACC
and Bison. I recieved a great number of responses and in attempting
to reply in person, many of the messages bounced...
So, if you didn't recieve your E-Mail... Thank you for your response.
They have all been quite helpful.
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Craig Schock schock@cpsc.UCalgary.CA
University of Calgary NeXT VoiceMail -> schock@flip.cpsc.UCalgary.CA
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Date: 23 Jan 90 22:28:13 GMT
From: cs.dal.ca!aucs!870086t@uunet.uu.net (Shannon Tremblay)
Subject: WANTED : MWC compiler
Message-ID: <1990Jan23.222813.24796@aucs.uucp>
hi everyone,
I would like to buy MWC compiler if any one is selling, or knows of
where I can buy it.
Thanks in advance
Shannon Tremblay
Acadia University, Wolfville, N.S., Can.
870086t@aucs.UUCP
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