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Info-Atari16 Digest Vol. 90 Issue 056
INFO-ATARI16 Digest Wed, 17 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 56
Today's Topics:
amcgdos.arc on terminator.cc.umich.edu
GNU/Sozobon C question
ST S/ware Rental Places
TOS 1.0,1.09,1.2,1.4,1.6
Turbo C, Pascal for ST
Who (where) is "ST Plus"?
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Date: 16 Jan 90 20:26:42 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!gmdzi!kloppen@uunet.uu.net (Jelske Kloppenburg)
Subject: amcgdos.arc on terminator.cc.umich.edu
Message-ID: <1878@gmdzi.UUCP>
To the question: -Is anyone using AMCGDOS ?
Yes, I installed AMCGDOS to get OPUS running. Now I want to use it
for own fonts and I am also interested in the answer to the question:
is it PD ???
Kloppenburg@kmx.gmd.dbp.de
UUCP: kloppen@gmdzi
In real life: Jelske Kloppenburg
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Date: 17 Jan 90 03:45:45 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo)
Subject: GNU/Sozobon C question
Message-ID: <25724@brunix.UUCP>
In article <75767@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Mustafa Thamer
<thamer@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>What is the difference between Sozobon, GNU (gcc), and C compilers
>like Laser C or MWC. Are they just different compilers or
>improved/modified languages. I've heard a lot fo talk about
>GNU stuff and was wondering what's the big deal.?
>
The GNU project stands for "GNU's Not Unix." It is composed of
mostly volunteers, and overworked, underpaid hackers whose sole
purpose is to port the UNIX(tm) OS, environment and accompanying
utilities and tools into the public domain (with source code) on
a variety of platforms. They are basing their philosophy on the
old hacker ethic that knowledge should be free, and, to directly
oppose AT&T's "no source code" license, they are rewriting everything
from scratch and *giving* it away.
It's a monumental effort, but there are company's out there supporting
them. (Most micro computer and workstation companies have donated
equipment to the project...it's gotten quite large.) Anyhow, there
stuff seems to work fairly flawlessly. The have emacs, several compiliers,
and most utilities running on a large group of plateforms. Which bring
us to:
gcc - this is GNU's public domain C++ compiler. It comes
with source code for the Atari, and a Sun-Atari
cross compiler. C++ is *not* C, but a metaset language
encompassing most ANSI C syntax. The extensions are
in the areas of Object Oriented Programming (OOPS)
Systems. (MODULA is such a language.) These extensions
allow you to have several job processing running
"at once" (or seemly) by treating code functions
as OOPS objects.
We have gcc on the Suns at work, and it works quite well.
I just got gcc for the Atari ST, but I haven't gotten
around to installing it yet. It's quite huge. (With
source, binaries, documentation, cross-compilers, etc
if comes to a little over 14 Megabytes.)
Other C compilers you asked about:
Sozobon C: Another public domain C. And amazingly well
done. It conforms with K&R standards, and
supports GEM and AES calls. Its YAPAFS. (Yet
Another Piece of Amazing Free Software.) There
are a lot of talented people out there with
a lot of time on their hands!
MWC: Mark Williams C. This is a commercial piece of
software. It comes with a UNIX-like environmental
shell, and conforms (supposedly) to K&R. The two
people who I personally know who have MWC don't
care for it. I have no first hand experience with
it, so I can't judge.
Laser C: Formerly Megamax C. This is also commercial. Frankly,
I love it. It can either be operated from a UNIX
shell (golum works quite well), or from its own
menu oriented programming environment. Laser C
shines the brightest in this latter environment.
The shell caches your code and binaries during
the first compile/link stage. After that, it changes
only the modified parts of the source and binaries in
cache. The results are impressive. Huge (and I
am talking about 10's of 1000's of lines of code)
compile and link at blinding speeds.
It also comes with a debugger I've grown quite
dependent on.
Both Laser C and MWC sell for the $110-$140 range.
Hope this all helps.
- Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
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Date: 17 Jan 90 03:29:02 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <25723@brunix.UUCP>
In article <2625@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Imran
Anwar) writes:
>I know of only one place where ST s/ware rentals are possible......
>does anyone have a list of more places?
>Please email and oblige
>
Yeah. And with any luck they'll *all* go out of business. Piracy
has almost killed Atari...that's all that's needed is a thinly
veiled software "rental" place.
- Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
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Date: 17 Jan 90 18:51:30 GMT
From:
zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au!viccol!gjocc
@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Greg O'Sullivan, Senior Systems Administrator)
Subject: TOS 1.0,1.09,1.2,1.4,1.6
Message-ID: <4221@csv.viccol.edu.au>
Wouldn't it be nice if the ST had 256K of low power battery
backup up static RAM which could be write protected, instead of TOS ROMs.
You could load the version of TOS you needed for a particular
program. Total compatibility with all software.
Bug fixes would be easy.
(Just think, regular bug fixes and revisions of the OS
just like for real computer like our VAX :-) )
Are there any technical problems that would stop you designing
a add in board to replace the TOS ROMs in this way?
Greg O'Sullivan ( gjocc@csv.viccol.edu.au )
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Date: 14 Jan 90 20:08:55 GMT
From: agate!saturn!ucscb.UCSC.EDU!rome@apple.com
Subject: Turbo C, Pascal for ST
Message-ID: <10314@saturn.ucsc.edu>
I remember reading some time back an address of where I could get Turbo
Pascal for the ST. I was wondering if someone could help me on this and
also answer if Turbo C for the ST is in existence, or even an assembler.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. ALso, I am interested in a PC
emulator, I've heard PC Ditto II is great (can I get it yet?) but I've
seen a few others mentioned and I was wondering if anyone has any
recommendations on the topic. Thanks alot.
Roman Baker
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Date: 17 Jan 90 03:27:09 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo)
Subject: Who (where) is "ST Plus"?
Message-ID: <25721@brunix.UUCP>
In article <25668@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>In article <2905@water.waterloo.edu> ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu (L.J.Dickey)
writes:
>>Some days ago someone mentioned a company called ST Plus, who
>>might supply FAX products for the ST. Do you know the address,
>>phone, or FAX number for this company?
>>
>
>That was me. Cleverly, I did not give you their phone number, nor
>do I have it now. (Sorry about that.)
>
>I'll send you the name tonight...honest...I promise!!! :-0
>
> - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
Jeez. I've never responded to my own posting before...
OK, true to my word, here we go:
ST Plus
P.O. 1197
Berkeley, CA 94701
1-800-759-1110
The product you are interested in is called The S-Tefax.
(BTW: It looks like ST Plus merged with a company called Zephyr.)
Anyhow, ST Plus seems to be a pretty good outfit. They sell *all*
ST products (hardware and software, and I *do* mean *all* products.)
They also take American Express, which scores big points in my book,
and they are prompt, and have decent return policies.
So, there you go...
- Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
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