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INFO-ATARI16 Digest Wed, 24 Jan 90 Volume 90 : Issue 94
Today's Topics:
Getting C (2 msgs)
High Sierra CD-ROM format
Modula-2 query
STEVIE src
ST S/ware Rental Places
TOS 1.4 in the UK
uudecode "short file"
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 90 23:02 EST
From: STJLHI33%wooster.bitnet@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Getting C
The recent discussions on gcc, g++ and sozoban have been very interested. I
have been wanting to learn C for the last year or so but didn't have the $$ for
Laser or MWC. Of course none of the ST mags would mention the pd/sware
stuff... Anyway, sozoban seems like something I could use.
Uh-oh, problem. Panarthea seems busted from our site. Short requests, index,
etc. are ok but not long ones, such as (wouldn't you know it) sozobon partxx.
Would some kind soul be willing to email me a copy? See .sig for address.
Perhaps I'll finally be able to try my favorite crashing techniques in C!
Thanks*1.0E6
Jason Steiner STJLHI33@WOOSTER.BITNET
Prediction: Atari will release the ATW in the US no sooner than one month
after Apple releases a RISC based multiprocessor box and lots of hype.
*Guess which company has been buying huge lots of 88000s recently?*
8-) I'm probably right
8-( I'm probably right
<SIGH>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 90 23:03 EST
From: STJLHI33%wooster.bitnet@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Getting C
The recent discussions on gcc, g++ and sozoban have been very interested. I
have been wanting to learn C for the last year or so but didn't have the $$ for
Laser or MWC. Of course none of the ST mags would mention the pd/sware
stuff... Anyway, sozoban seems like something I could use.
Uh-oh, problem. Panarthea seems busted from our site. Short requests, index,
etc. are ok but not long ones, such as (wouldn't you know it) sozobon partxx.
Would some kind soul be willing to email me a copy? See .sig for address.
Perhaps I'll finally be able to try my favorite crashing techniques in C!
Thanks*1.0E6
Jason Steiner STJLHI33@WOOSTER.BITNET
Prediction: Atari will release the ATW in the US no sooner than one month
after Apple releases a RISC based multiprocessor box and lots of hype.
*Guess which company has been buying huge lots of 88000s recently?*
8-) I'm probably right
8-( I'm probably right
<SIGH>
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Date: 24 Jan 90 22:45:43 GMT
From: pyramid!athertn!alex@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Alex Leavens)
Subject: High Sierra CD-ROM format
Message-ID: <17179@laurel.athertn.Atherton.COM>
Is anybody familiar with the High Sierra CD-ROM format
spec, and if so, how/where I can get information on it?
I seem to recall that MicroSoft published a book about
this a while back, but can't recall the title. Can anyone
help?
Thanks in advance...
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 90 12:23:25 GMT
From: "G. J. Baker" <gge%cxa.daresbury.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK>
Subject: Modula-2 query
Message-ID: <24048.9001221223@cxa.daresbury.ac.uk>
This is a question for any Modula-2 wizards:
I am trying to code an extensible data structure in Modula-2. I have a working
structure in (say) module A and would like to code an extension in module B,
but (and this is the difficult bit) I would like to be able to use the
procedures from module A as if they had been declared in module B (got that?).
I have figured out one way:
IMPLEMENTATION MODULE B
IMPORT A
.
.
.
PROCEDURE Fred;
BEGIN
A.Fred;
END Fred;
However this is inelegant and negates any benefits gained from using modules
in the first place.
Anybody got any other ideas?
Many thanks in advance
Gareth J.Baker
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Date: 25 Jan 90 05:13:06 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!watfun!grwalter@
tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Fred Walter)
Subject: STEVIE src
Message-ID: <20160@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
In article <_YWH`@masalla.fulcrum.bt.co.uk> sie@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Simon
Raybould) writes:
>Does anyone have the source for STEVIE (vi like editor) if so, could
>they please email it to me.
I tried to send you mail, but after it 'hopped' 17 times trying to get to
you, the mail software gave up and returned it. Thus I won't be able to
mail it to you.
My latest version of Stevie (3.7a) is on one of the fish disks and can be
ftp'd from xanth.cs.odu.edu (as well as some of the fish disk archive
machines).
fred
grwalter@watmath.uwaterloo.ca (Canadian domain)
grwalter@watmath.waterloo.edu (US Internet, including CSNET)
grwalter@watmath.waterloo.cdn (CDNnet and some European nets)
watmath!grwalter (UUCP)
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Date: 25 Jan 90 05:08:04 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <26640@brunix.UUCP>
In article <418@ssc.UUCP> fyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) writes:
>In article <26232@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>
>> My accepting that fact from you is a *far* cry from condoning a
>> place taht "rents" software. For every "great guy" like you, I
>> would bet there is (at a bare minimum) one other person who wouldn't
>> think twice about stealing software. Those aren't terribly
>> good odds for a software rental place, are they?
>>
>My point is that there are two kinds of people: the ones that swipe
>software and the ones that pay for what they use. It is too bad that
>those of us who are willing to pay for what we use become the victims of
>marketing plans that attempt to prevent software theft. The theft will
>continue anyway.
>
Several of you (Phil, Greg) are missing my point. I am willing to
accept the premise that you two are honest. *No one* is accusing you
of being otherwise. If you borrow a friends software to test it out
fine. If you can talk a dealer into giving you a demo, fine. If you can
get a demo from the publisher, fine. I have done all three of these
things, either returning my copy if I didn't want it, or buying it
if I did.
However: software rental places are open inventations for all the
non-Gregs and non-Phils to easily copy (i.e. STEAL) software. If there
was a proliferation of software rental places, how long do you think
software manufactures would stay in business?
We recently succeeded in forcing (by various means) manufactures from
placing copy protection on non-game software. What do you think would
happen to that decision if software rental places were to suddenly
pop back into being?
>I can rent a Ford to see if that is the kind of car that I want to drive.
>I can "try out" a job before I agree to work somewhere for the next 5
>years and/or the rest of my life. I expect the same with regard to my
>purchase of software.
Again, these analogies do not hold! A car is a unique item that you
cannot instantly duplicate for pennies. Ford Motor Company is not putting
its neck out on a line by letting you test drive the car. Hell, if you
destroy it, the damn thing is insured. Lotus 1-2-3 does not have that
luxury.
I *can't* think of an analogous example because there *isn't* one.
The only one that comes close is in the record industry. When I was
going to college in the early 80's, there were several record rental
places within walking distance...over the years, I watched them
"mysteriously" disappear...finding out later that they were closed down
by the trade commission and the FBI for copyright infringements.
The same thing is happening to software rental places...there are several
rulings in court and for all I know they may already be illegal.
Software is *RISKY*, Period. It's risky for the manufacture and its
risky for the consumer. Both sides have to live with it or everyone
loses.
Phil...you complained about faulty ST software that you bought. You want
a reason for it? ST software companies don't make very much money because
they don't sell very much software. I know one of the original Publishing
Partner people...their estimate was that roughly more than half of the
Publishing Partners in circulation were (are) illegal. That translates
to a little less than $1 million in income. That's money that could have
been spent hiring more personnel for programming, testing, inquiries,
etc. They don't have the resources to put out IBM or Mac quality
products and packaging.
The percentages are not as high for other platform markets, but they are
dealing with so large a volume that they can make up for it, but it
will bite them later. 5 years ago I heard that Lotus estimated it was
losing $400 million a *year* to piracy.
My point is that piracy continues. Software rental places would
"legitimize" piracy in the minds of people who already think its
ok.
> Yes, I know it is easier to swipe but that isn't my
>problem.
Yes. It is.
> Maybe if vendors would offer a little added value with the
>purchase, like decent support, people would understand the advantage of
>purchase.
Read what I wrote above. ST software people cannot afford it. There
aren't that many ST platforms, and even that is being corrupted by
piracy. Support takes people, people take money, and money takes sales.
- Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
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Date: 24 Jan 90 12:00:15 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!abekrd!mike@uunet.uu.net (Mike Quinn)
Subject: TOS 1.4 in the UK
Message-ID: <824@abekrd.UUCP>
After all the fuss about TOS 1.4 we have seen absolutely nothing from
Atari UK - surprise :-).
I have been frothing at the mouth at the thought of all those improvements,
especially the ability to auto-load gem applications. This would allow
my non-computing friends to word-process or draw without having their
brains imploded trying to click on this and then that and then double-click
here..
The froth has dried and my lips are chapped -it's getting harder to say
'My computer would do that easier and quicker'
The latest 'news' is gossip in magazines saying that it will cost about
40 pounds (reproduction costs, Proms, distribution etc.). Meanwhile all
my AMIGA (wash your mouth out with soap, boy!) friends get WORKBENCH 1.4
for FREE as a cover disk!
Come on Atari! Follow the lead, stay ahead of the crowd. All that's needed
is a little patch program in an auto folder to load & execute the new TOS.
You could even give express permission to allow users, the luckier ones
with access to prom programmers, to blow their own proms. Or allow some
enterprising company to distrubute them for You, thereby relieving
Atari (UK) of the burden (and small profit) entirely.
We have constantly asked Atari to keep with the cutting edge. To a large
extent they HAVE done so (the ST is a superb machine & the TT promises even
more), now we ask you to keep faith with your customers and allow us to
maintain our enthusiasm and support our machine!
Mike Quinn
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Mike Quinn | NET: mike@abekrd.co.uk
Abekas Video Systems Ltd. | UUCP: ...!mcvax!ukc!?reading,pyrltd?!abekrd!mike
12 Portman Rd, Reading, | PHONE: +44 734 585421 ____________________________
Berkshire. RG3 1EA. | FAX: +44 734 597267 | Never underestimate the
United Kingdom. | TELEX: 847579 | power of human stupidity.
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Date: 25 Jan 90 05:20:12 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo)
Subject: uudecode "short file"
Message-ID: <26645@brunix.UUCP>
I realize this gets brought up every so often, and I used to
know the answer (honest!), however...
What is the "short file" error message during a uudecode a
symptom of? I know that I line has to be either added or
subtracted, but that's as far as my memory will let me recall.
Thanks in advance...
- Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
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