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Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V89 #485
Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, October 10, 1989 Volume 89 : Issue 485
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
Today's Topics:
Re: DataFree
unsuscribe
Re: TOS 1.4 in the UK
Re: TOS 1.4 bug?
Re: MIS-BEHAVING MOUSE/CURSOR
Re: Steinberg's Twelve Sequencer
RE> Word Perfect 4.1 bug
Re: Help with HD for ST
Mega2 memory expansion
Demo programs
Re: TOS 1.4 bug?
EDISK -- My Eternal-like, Mega 4-proof RAM disk (Binary posting)
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Date: 18 Sep 89 23:12:24 GMT
From: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!lharris@rutgers.edu (Leonard Harris)
Subject: Re: DataFree
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Datafree's phone number is 416-741-9825.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 89 20:28 EDT
From: <EDWARDSJ%UNION.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: unsuscribe
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
X-Original-To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu, EDWARDSJ
Please take me off of your mailing list for atari 16 I can no
longer recieve them.
Jack Edwards
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Date: 18 Sep 89 16:08:36 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 in the UK
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
From article <3105@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth):
> Note: This is a heavily trimmed article. You've just no idea how much white
> heat flaming at Atari UK I had in it before!
I think I can guess. I have to struggle to be polite too.
>
> What have Atari (UK) got against owners of Atari computers?
> I think Atari UK have had the ROMS as long as any other subsiduary but have
> not worked out their maximum profit making marketing strategy for them yet.
> We are registered developers and bought the dev kit so that we (and our
> students) would know the ST inside out. Not to develope amazing programs
> to sell more ST's. No newletters in 2 years, no mention of Mega specific
> hardware, S.A.L.A.D, SM194 Moniterm, Maths coprocessor, STacey, aln upgrade,
> madmac upgrade or db. Argh!
>
Yes, I can confirm that. I'm not a registered developer myself, but I
know two people on my campus who are. Neither has TOS 1.4. Neither
has mentioned to me receiving any of the items mentioned by Neil.
At our university there are literally hundreds of STs. They are very
nearly great machines, and when the bulk of our purchases were made
the ST had great promise. Over the years, though, we've become more
and more disillusioned with Atari as a company. Unless Atari UK can
show more commitment to users there will either be a gradual move away
to other machines or there decisions will be taken to replace whole
batches of STs with something from another company.
Graham
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
JANET: grahamt@uk.ac.sussex.syma EARN/BITNET: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
ARPA: grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
UUCP: grahamt@syma.uucp Phone: +44 273 686758
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Date: 18 Sep 89 11:13:56 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!ttidca!woodside@uunet.uu.net (George Woodside)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 bug?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <597@cwjcc.CWRU.Edu> bammi@dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu (Jwahar R. Bammi)
writes:
...[edited]...
>... I have gone though 3 generations of Tos 1.4
>releases (developers disk based Tos 1.4, the ?feb eprom one, and now
>the real one)
The $64,000 question (I suspect I'm not the only one who wonders):
Did you do a comparison between the developer EPROM release and the
"real" one? Are they indeed the same?
--
*George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA
*Path: ..!?philabs|csun|psivax?!ttidca!woodside
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Date: 18 Sep 89 11:34:14 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!ttidca!woodside@uunet.uu.net (George Woodside)
Subject: Re: MIS-BEHAVING MOUSE/CURSOR
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <8909180439.AA23485@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu>
ia4@CUNIXD.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Imran Anwar) writes:
...[edited]...
>Closing Word and going into the Uniterm folder resulted in the cursor movements
>being reversed from those of the mouse in the up/down direction though staying
>correct in the left/right direction. Had to reboot.
>
>Any logical reasons for this? Solution?
This symptom is typical of a known ST virus.
Get out your favorite virus detect/kill utility and start checking
your disks. This virus (if that's what it is) resides on the boot sector
of floppy disks only. It does not corrupt files, damage disks, or destroy
anything except disks which must have their own executable boot sectors.
Those disks are rendered useless since the virus overwrites the boot sector
with itself.
--
*George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA
*Path: ..!?philabs|csun|psivax?!ttidca!woodside
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Date: 18 Sep 89 21:02:12 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent!mntgfx!dcooley@uunet.uu.net (Doug
Cooley)
Subject: Re: Steinberg's Twelve Sequencer
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
I have been using Twelve for about 3 months, and already have found
lots of limitations for the sort of things I'd like to do. However, I
am a semi-professional (semi-amateur?) keyboardist with Load's-O-Sounds
(tm), and more virtual modules than I can access from 16 MIDI channels.
For your purposes, it sounds like a good deal. In post's about this
software, there were a couple of discrepancies that I noticed, however:
1) The program will run sequences and patterns at the same time.
The difference between a pattern and a sequence is that a pattern
is a unique "block" of MIDI information over a specific amount of
"music" time (a beat, a measure, a chorus, etc.), that can be
*copied* to another portion of the song. A sequence is a block
that is *referred* to by the software during execution. Hence, a
sequence can have one copy in memory, but can be played several
times in different locations of a song. A pattern, in contrast,
takes up proportionately as much memory as the number of times it
is played. OK? The big deal with this is that lots of Big Bucks
sequencers base the "play list" of sequences in a song so that only
one list at a time can be active. This means that your drums have
to follow the same sequence as your lead instruments, bass, etc.
The Twelve will only play one sequence, but not all tracks
have to be following the sequence, so you can use the sequence for
just drums, and use patterns for your more melodic parts. Oh,
sure, this isn't clear, but you get what you pay for.
2) The manual is impossible to use as a reference. I still can't
find information without a good 10 minutes of page-by-page browsing.
Not to mention that the binding (one of those one piece plasic jobs)
is too small for the size of the manual, and the punch holes are too
small, and there are several features that are completely undocument-
ed, and blahblahblahblahblah. The usual.
3) List in the good ol' USA is currently $89.00. Formerly $69.00.
Again, you get what you pay for. I didn't realize when I got it
that the ONLY real time MIDI data you could edit was Note data...
A big deal to me, maybe not to you. Also, twelve channels get
used up quick, especially when you need one to control the sequence,
and you can't combine tracks, and blahblahblahblahblah....
Personally, I'd check out all the entry level MUSIC stuff (as opposed
to the TOY stuff like Music Studio...they generally only handle certain
types of MIDI data, and are in the same rough price bracket). If you
decide you like Twelve, send me E-Mail. I probably won't be hanging on
to it all that much longer, and I won't lie to you about what it can and
can't do. Hybrid Arts, Dr. T's, and Passport all make stuff under $100,
although I didn't check any out personally aside from Twelve.
I can tell you that if absolutely none of the above made a bit of
sense to you, that you'd probably like Twelve. Oh, and it doesn't support
MIDI Standard File Protocol, and there are known bugs, and blahblahblah...
Doug
Where did I put that darn disclaimer? It was here just a minute ago!
Darn! Well, here's a quickie for posterity...
Nope. No responsibiltiy here. None at all. And we won't have any
next week either, so don't think you can come back. Try that place
down the street, the place that sells IBM clones...
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 89 00:54 CDT
From: jeff beer <UUCJEFF%ECNCDC.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: RE> Word Perfect 4.1 bug
To: <Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU>
Many thanks to those who responded. I was able to order the update over
the phone.
We will see how it works.
Jeff Beer
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Date: 18 Sep 89 12:49:44 GMT
From: peregrine!ccicpg!paulm@uunet.uu.net (tmp Paul Moreau usenet acct)
Subject: Re: Help with HD for ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Hi,
I just put a MAXTOR EXT-4380 380 megabyte ESDI drive with an
Emulex MD21/S2 controller on my system. The previous drive
was a WREN 85 meg SASI using a Xebec 1410A controller. After
much trouble trying to get the drive to autoboot (using SUPRA
V2.6 ? forrmatter and driver) I finally started remembered
an artical posted (years?) ago about removing the reset line going
to the controller. That did it! I guess that the Atari BIOS
tries just 1 read to determind if there's a drive out there or
not, and acording to the SCSI spec, a drive will give a 'Check
Status' condition upon the first read/write attempt after the reset
has been asserted. Well so much for that, the reason I'm posting
this is that I also put TOS 1.4 into my system (well worth it!).
Well the TOS 1.0 would only allow 16 meg partions and I understand
that TOS 1.4 will allow 32 megs. Using the old formatter only lets
me use ?160 megs of the drive. Is there any (PD ?) utilities out
there that will let me re-initialize me drive to let me use 32 meg
partitions ??
Well THANX in advance.
----
.===========================================================.
| ### ####### ### | N O R T H | /==============\ |
| ### ### ### | A M E R I C A |< An STC Company >|
| ### ####### ####### | (was CCI) | \==============/ |
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
| UUCP: ...ccicpg!dl2!paulm | Paul L. Moreau |
| or ...ccicpg!dl1!paulm | Diagnostics Software Eng. |
| or ...ccicpg!paulm | Irvine, California |
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Date: 19 Sep 89 07:00:06 GMT
From: solomon@boulder.colorado.edu (SOLOMON AMY BETH)
Subject: Mega2 memory expansion
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Does anybody know of a way to expand a Mega2 to 4 megabytes?
If there is such a product available please tell me where I
can get one, how much it costs and whether you have had any
favorable or unfavorable experiences using this product.
Thanks.
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Date: 19 Sep 89 02:56:45 GMT
From:
gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
(Dave Newton)
Subject: Demo programs
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Has anyone else seen the demo for the GS called Nucleus? Is there one
like that for the ST? I certainly hope so...
--
David L. Newton | dnewton@carroll1.UUCP | I prefer to remain
(414) 524-7343 (work) | dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu | isolated from the
(414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha, WI 53186 | majority of people.
The fish are getting seasick -- Rough Sea/RAW
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Date: 19 Sep 89 08:58:44 GMT
From: mailrus!cwjcc!dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jwahar R.
Bammi)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 bug?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <6214@ttidca.TTI.COM>, woodside@ttidca (George Woodside) writes:
>The $64,000 question (I suspect I'm not the only one who wonders):
>
>Did you do a comparison between the developer EPROM release and the
>"real" one? Are they indeed the same?
>--
there are differences between the feb eprom version and the final TOS 1.4
there are **supposed** to be no differences between the developers
Tos 1.4 roms (that is what i have, and despite all their denials,
atari shipped me eproms and not roms, but i am not complaining), and
the production Tos 1.4.
my $68K question is has anyone received the Tos 1.4 docs. when
we were purchased the developers Tos 1.4 final release, we filled all
kinds of questionares and forms, and were promised the release notes
in exchange for them. this was a few months ago.
BTW: will someone from atari please tell us who designed the Spf<whatever>
68881 hardware interface? I would like to send some flames his/her way for not
using their brains.
--
bang: ?any internet host?!dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu!bammi jwahar r. bammi
domain: bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu
GEnie: J.Bammi
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 89 12:59:55 SET
To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.EDU
From: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: EDISK -- My Eternal-like, Mega 4-proof RAM disk (Binary posting)
Here it is, finally: My reset-resident, Mega4-proof PD RAM disk !
It works just like Eternal2, except that it is a lot nicer, uses less
memory (for the same specified size), and works MUCH FASTER. It should
work with all systems and all TOS versions (haven't tested it on a TT yet :-)
Some messages might come out a little weird on low resolution, however.
Please read the instructions contained in the file EDISK.DOC *before* you
attempt to use the RAM disk.
Included are EDISK21.PRG (the program), ECONF21.TOS (the setup utility)
and EKILL21.PRG (an automagic RAM disk killer).
This is all pd. Have fun with it.
Send all praises, flowers, money orders, letter bombs etc to
VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1.BITNET.
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UNM409@DBNRHRZ1 (soon) Angewandte Mathematik
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